Being male inherently means you have to be 'immoral' (according to society)

[MoggerGaston]

Else you are leaving way too much life quality on the table. Garbage life.

Manipulating people for your own personal benefit. Treating people like shit. Etc. It is simply part of being male.

There's no other way to succeed as a man. It's brutal competition out there.
At best you can ally with other men who have similar goals that don't intertwine with your own.

 

[Brus Wane]

Same goes for women.

The most successful ones that didn't use merit either slept their way to the top or manipulated a bunch of people in power.

 

[MoggerGaston]

Same goes for women.

The most successful ones that didn't use merit either slept their way to the top or manipulated a bunch of people in power.

It's fucked tbh.

Last girl I dated for multiple months literally said: 'If I wasn't born into a wealthy family which funds my lifestyle, allowing me to do whatever I want, I would've become an escort and made the money I needed that way.'

insane blackpill. When you are dating a woman you are literally competing with her ability to make thousands of euros a month being an escort or doing onlyfans as a single woman. Or being single and dating chads instead of being in a LTR.

Kinda insane. Attractive young women use their looks to date into high-tier social circles, money, advance their career, etc. Merely using it to fuck attractive chads for sexual pleasure is dumb and primal. Women use it to advance their life incredibly fast, faster than their (male) competition.

Would be dumb to not use their biggest asset.

Kinda like how all those women slept with Weinstein to advance their acting career.

women use their looks to manipulate men with status, and then blame the men afterwards too

based cuz I have no power. Fuck those men. I need pussy. Let them get sued for sexual abuse whatever. Fuck those rich high-status cunts.

Fuck chad also. Tired of them having harems while I have nothing.

 

[xegigi]

"morals" are silly just you're limiting yourself for no reason

at the end of the day, the person willing to do the most comes out on top

 

[tombradylover]

stop being pussy, take drugs to become low inhib and become the man u always wanted to be . If subhumans like weinstein can rise to top and rape. decent looking guys like u can also rise to top and rape too. take drugs bhai and go take whats urs

 

[MoggerGaston]

"morals" are silly just you're limiting yourself for no reason

at the end of the day, the person willing to do the most comes out on top

How do I become less moral?

I am way too kind to people, even when I realize in the moment there's a massive benefit to be gained at their cost and there would be nothing they could do. Just with a simple lie or whatever.

I am so fucking stupid. I avoid possible confrontation and shit, even though I would most likely benefit etc.
I am way too honest and fair towards people.

Even today my drug-dealer sold 2 grams of cocaine to me. He handed me the cocaine, then I handed him the money.

He literally FORGOT that he just handed me the cocaine 20 seconds earlier in advance before I handed the money. And started looking for the cocaine he still wanted to give me instead.

Was so fucking weird and awkward. First in my head I was like, wtf is he doing. He already gave me the drugs?!

Then I realized how easy it would be to pretend like he didn't give me shit and get another 2 grams for free as he still believed he needed to give me drugs.

But instead in this moment I avoided possible confrontation/issues and told him he already gave it to me and the deal was already done JFL. He even said: oh damn, u couldve scammed me. JFL wtf am I doing with my life.

I can't even scam a drug-dealer who makes a dumbass mistake smh. Not that I care about another 2 grams of cocaine or that it would matter much. But it probably reflects also on my general attitude in life where I am way too fair and honest and don't take advantage of people mistakes.

People definitely take advantage of my own mistakes. I can't afford to not take advantage of other people's mistakes.

Like hitting on girls who already have boyfriends. I don't do this, even though I've noticed in some cases I could easily cuck some guys to my own benefit.

Self-sabotage smh. I need to become more aggressive and selfish to save my own life since currently its trash.

 

[MoggerGaston]

stop being pussy, take drugs to become low inhib and become the man u always wanted to be . If subhumans like weinstein can rise to top and rape. decent looking guys like u can also rise to top and rape too. take drugs bhai and go take whats urs

yeah youre right.

i realized this especially while doing shrooms. That I can basically fraud any personality/life that I want to get the results that I want. Makes you feel immensely powerful when you can act however you want without any ego, to get whatever result you want.

Most of the times the fraud is too hard to uncover. And even when it is uncovered, the consequences are non-existent. At worst it means you get fired or the girl ditches you, but that was a job you would've never gotten without frauding, a girl you would've never gotten without frauding.

So in reality, you only lost something due to frauding, which you would've never gotten without frauding. So really, you didn't lose jack shit.

I need to become way more brutal to succeed in life. Accept that type of lifestyle instead of fighting it and feeling uneasy with it like I have before.

 

[mrdouchebag]

I am darktriadmaxxing either way.

It will be me, MrDouchebag, who will cuck all the bluepill soyboys and buttfuck all these bitchy boss babes.

I will rearrange society's guts with my meatstick. Restore the Aryan race to the throne and bring Order back to this decaying world.

 

[tombradylover]

yeah youre right.

i realized this especially while doing shrooms. That I can basically fraud any personality/life that I want to get the results that I want. Makes you feel immensely powerful when you can act however you want without any ego to get whatever result you want.

Most of the times the fraud is too hard to uncover. And even when it is uncovered, the consequences are non-existent. At worst it means you get fired or the girl ditches you, but that was a job you would've never gotten without frauding, a girl you would've never gotten without frauding.

So in reality, you only lost something due to frauding, which you would've never gotten without frauding. So really, you didn't lose jack shit.

I need to become way more brutal to succeed in life. Accept that type of lifestyle instead of fighting it and feeling uneasy with it like I have before.

yes bhai exactly. its literally all in ur hands. if u were actually ugly and/or short then i wouldn't say this. Just drugmaxx/low inhib maxx and take whats yours. All u have to do is start trying and it will become second nature to u.

 

[xegigi]

How do I become less moral?

I am way too kind to people, even when I realize in the moment there's a massive benefit to be gained at their cost and there would be nothing they could do. Just with a simple lie or whatever.

I am so fucking stupid. I avoid possible confrontation and shit, even though I would most likely benefit etc.
I am way too honest and fair towards people.

Even today my drug-dealer sold 2 grams of cocaine to me. He handed me the cocaine, then I handed him the money.

He literally FORGOT that he just handed me the cocaine 20 seconds earlier in advance before I handed the money. And started looking for the cocaine he still wanted to give me instead.

Was so fucking weird and awkward. First in my head I was like, wtf is he doing. He already gave me the drugs?!

Then I realized how easy it would be to pretend like he didn't give me shit and get another 2 grams for free as he still believed he needed to give me drugs.

But instead in this moment I avoided possible confrontation/issues and told him he already gave it to me and the deal was already done JFL. He even said: oh damn, u couldve scammed me. JFL wtf am I doing with my life.

I can't even scam a drug-dealer who makes a dumbass mistake smh. Not that I care about another 2 grams of cocaine or that it would matter much. But it probably reflects also on my general attitude in life where I am way too fair and honest and don't take advantage of people mistakes.

People definitely take advantage of my own mistakes. I can't afford to not take advantage of other people's mistakes.

Like hitting on girls who already have boyfriends. I don't do this, even though I've noticed in some cases I could easily cuck some guys to my own benefit.

Self-sabotage smh. I need to become more aggressive and selfish to save my own life since currently its trash.

little things like this don't really matter tbh but when it comes to major things in life like career and social status, you should be willing to do what it takes to advance yourself

 

[MoggerGaston]

I am darktriadmaxxing either way.

It will be me, MrDouchebag, who will cuck all the bluepill soyboys and buttfuck all these bitchy boss babes.

I will rearrange society's guts with my meatstick. Restore the Aryan race to the throne and bring Order back to this decaying world.

morals are fucking retarded.

The only thing that matters is:

1)The chance that your fraud/abuse/manipulation is uncovered.
2)The consequences that uncovering will hold for you.

In general the chance is low and the consequences are light. Makes no sense to destroy your own life quality by not frauding, manipulating, scamming, stealing, abusing, etc. whenever the odds are in your favor.

Fuck everyone over whenever you can and when the odds are heavily in your favor.

Ofcourse risk/benefit analysis is crucial here. But without moral considerations.

 

[distance decay]

Yes, always thought about this but didnt know how to put it into words.

Game is Game

 

[mrdouchebag]

morals are fucking retarded.

The only thing that matters is:

1)The chance that your fraud/abuse/manipulation is uncovered.
2)The consequences that uncovering will hold for you.

In general the chance is low and the consequences are light. Makes no sense to destroy your own life quality by not frauding, manipulating, scamming, stealing, abusing, etc. whenever the odds are in your favor.

Fuck everyone over whenever you can and when the odds are heavily in your favor.

Ofcourse risk/benefit analysis is crucial here. But without moral considerations.

Morality? Fuck morality! The percentage of hot young virgins is astronomically small and the rates of promiscuity, infidelity and divorce are skyrocketing, why the hell would I be a man with good morals? Darktriadmaxxing is where it's at. You can only combat evil by becoming a greater evil!

 

[MoggerGaston]

yes bhai exactly. its literally all in ur hands. if u were actually ugly and/or short then i wouldn't say this. Just drugmaxx/low inhib maxx and take whats yours. All u have to do is start trying and it will become second nature to u.

Fucking legit.

Like instead of being truecel I could get some MTB FwB within a week if I really tried with this mindset.

A girl I am not really interested in, dont find super attractive or match with. A girl I would never seriously LTR. But still very fuckable.

I could just feign interest in her, tell her what she wants to hear, and as a result ill have a girl to fuck, have her treat me nicely, give me social opportunities, etc. I would pretend to consider a LTR with her, etc. all that shit and reap all the benefits at 0 cost.

It's retarded for me to rot away as a truecel instead of doing something like this tbh. Easy life quality improvement.

 

[Primalsplit]

This is exactly why women love dark triad men. Took you this long to figure this all out?

 

[tombradylover]

Fucking legit.

Like instead of being truecel I could get some MTB FwB within a week if I really tried with this mindset.

A girl I am not really interested in, dont find super attractive or match with. A girl I would never seriously LTR. But still very fuckable.

I could just feign interest in her, tell her what she wants to hear, and as a result ill have a girl to fuck, have her treat me nicely, give me social opportunities, etc. I would pretend to consider a LTR with her, etc. all that shit and reap all the benefits at 0 cost.

It's retarded for me to rot away as a truecel instead of doing something like this tbh. Easy life quality improvement.

Yea bro and when ur feeling down and depressed and don’t think u have it in u to do it u need to remeber ur that nigga. Do drugs, drink, workout do wtv the fuck it takes to get into that mode. U gotta remember ur him and take what’s urs. It’s ok to chill and shit but u need to live life to fullest potential if u can. It’s in ur hands to not feel hopeless, at list with women especially mtb that’s easy for u

 

[MoggerGaston]

little things like this don't really matter tbh but when it comes to major things in life like career and social status, you should be willing to do what it takes to advance yourself

yeah this situation doesnt really matter

but I am kinda certain of the fact that I would act in a similar moral, self-sabotaging fashion when larger things are concerned.

Like I know from my past that sometimes I would get A LOT of praise for certain physics projects I did. But while it was definitely a good project on my part, a part of it was ripped/inspired by someone else, leading to that great project. I would admit to this, essentially diminishing my own work, accomplishment and the praise I was getting.

Effectively making myself less valuable when I could've just gone along and pretended like it was indeed all my own work like they thought it was, etc.

just one example.
There's a lot to gain from being dishonest. And honestly absolutely nothing from being honest.

 

[horizontallytall]

Else you are leaving way too much life quality on the table. Garbage life.

Manipulating people for your own personal benefit. Treating people like shit. Etc. It is simply part of being male.

There's no other way to succeed as a man. It's brutal competition out there.
At best you can ally with other men who have similar goals that don't intertwine with your own.

If u live in 3rd world country u will realise this by age 15-16

 

[Brus Wane]

Is that taylor swift all the way on the left? Damn didn't know she ate kike dick

 

[horizontallytall]

How do I become less moral?

I am way too kind to people, even when I realize in the moment there's a massive benefit to be gained at their cost and there would be nothing they could do. Just with a simple lie or whatever.

I am so fucking stupid. I avoid possible confrontation and shit, even though I would most likely benefit etc.
I am way too honest and fair towards people.

Even today my drug-dealer sold 2 grams of cocaine to me. He handed me the cocaine, then I handed him the money.

He literally FORGOT that he just handed me the cocaine 20 seconds earlier in advance before I handed the money. And started looking for the cocaine he still wanted to give me instead.

Was so fucking weird and awkward. First in my head I was like, wtf is he doing. He already gave me the drugs?!

Then I realized how easy it would be to pretend like he didn't give me shit and get another 2 grams for free as he still believed he needed to give me drugs.

But instead in this moment I avoided possible confrontation/issues and told him he already gave it to me and the deal was already done JFL. He even said: oh damn, u couldve scammed me. JFL wtf am I doing with my life.

I can't even scam a drug-dealer who makes a dumbass mistake smh. Not that I care about another 2 grams of cocaine or that it would matter much. But it probably reflects also on my general attitude in life where I am way too fair and honest and don't take advantage of people mistakes.

People definitely take advantage of my own mistakes. I can't afford to not take advantage of other people's mistakes.

Like hitting on girls who already have boyfriends. I don't do this, even though I've noticed in some cases I could easily cuck some guys to my own benefit.

Self-sabotage smh. I need to become more aggressive and selfish to save my own life since currently its trash.

U learn by opening urself to weird situations from an young age i realised it and did deepshit since 16 age , and always forced myself cause i knew i have to take huge low inhib step in future to make the most put of life and need to learn somehow

 

[MoggerGaston]

This is exactly why women love dark triad men. Took you this long to figure this all out?

Nah I already knew this.

But it is another thing to actually internalize this and act like this from your inner workings, personality.
In general I can recognize situations in which I have a lot to gain from lieing, manipulating, frauding, etc. I can analyze situations very well and realize this, which is one bonus at least.

But then when I realize how I can benefit by abusing the situation, I don't pull through but do 'the right thing'.

It's dumb and retarded and I hate that I do it. Possibly the reason is low self-esteem, believing I don't deserve good things, etc. I definitely know I have this issue of low self-esteem and it affects my life a lot. Believing you aren't worth anything, you don't deserve good things. Self-sabotaging in the process.


Need to work on this and become more dark-triad. Like you say, girls love it too.

Girls want a man who takes whatever he wants/needs with no moral regard of others.

 

[horizontallytall]

How do I become less moral?

I am way too kind to people, even when I realize in the moment there's a massive benefit to be gained at their cost and there would be nothing they could do. Just with a simple lie or whatever.

I am so fucking stupid. I avoid possible confrontation and shit, even though I would most likely benefit etc.
I am way too honest and fair towards people.

Even today my drug-dealer sold 2 grams of cocaine to me. He handed me the cocaine, then I handed him the money.

He literally FORGOT that he just handed me the cocaine 20 seconds earlier in advance before I handed the money. And started looking for the cocaine he still wanted to give me instead.

Was so fucking weird and awkward. First in my head I was like, wtf is he doing. He already gave me the drugs?!

Then I realized how easy it would be to pretend like he didn't give me shit and get another 2 grams for free as he still believed he needed to give me drugs.

But instead in this moment I avoided possible confrontation/issues and told him he already gave it to me and the deal was already done JFL. He even said: oh damn, u couldve scammed me. JFL wtf am I doing with my life.

I can't even scam a drug-dealer who makes a dumbass mistake smh. Not that I care about another 2 grams of cocaine or that it would matter much. But it probably reflects also on my general attitude in life where I am way too fair and honest and don't take advantage of people mistakes.

People definitely take advantage of my own mistakes. I can't afford to not take advantage of other people's mistakes.

Like hitting on girls who already have boyfriends. I don't do this, even though I've noticed in some cases I could easily cuck some guys to my own benefit.

Self-sabotage smh. I need to become more aggressive and selfish to save my own life since currently its trash.

But its two way tbh, u lose ur innocence hence u dont even enjoy shit anymore other than primal stuff like providing to ur family,u wont enjoy much, i lost my innocence and the enthusiastic behaviour the more i indulged in dark shit tbh,i feel life truly ends after 17 for this sole reason tbh

 

[dehydrated]

You can only combat evil by becoming a greater evil!

 

[MoggerGaston]

Yea bro and when ur feeling down and depressed and don’t think u have it in u to do it u need to remeber ur that nigga. Do drugs, drink, workout do wtv the fuck it takes to get into that mode. U gotta remember ur him and take what’s urs. It’s ok to chill and shit but u need to live life to fullest potential if u can. It’s in ur hands to not feel hopeless, at list with women especially mtb that’s easy for u

yeah I am living in a retarded way right now.
Like, I could easily fuck MTBs, have MTBs on rotation etc. Improving my life quality a lot with sex, intimacy and social opportunities, validation.

Boost my self-esteem.

But instead of doing what it takes to get that, I rot as a truecel waiting for HTB+ LTR instead

My life ain't perfect and I have A LOT of flaws, shit life circumstances. But I could definitely get WAY MORE out of my current life than I am doing right now. No need to rot like I do.

Gotta bring the fire back in my life and do whatever it takes.

 

[MoggerGaston]

If u live in 3rd world country u will realise this by age 15-16

I agree.
Personally I have had a maladaptive personality/life. Not adapting properly to my circumstances.

1) partly due to parental child abuse and trying to please my abusive parents, instead of realizing my own potential. I constantly had to act in a way to please my parents due to their abuse, even though it felt wrong and counter-productive to myself. My freedom to act how I wanted and pursue the things I wanted was limited by this. Unlucky here with my situation, not many people face parental abuse like this.

2) partly due to coping with videogames by which i avoided my shit life and avoided dealing with the problems I was facing. Instead I was distracting myself with videogames. I was getting my dopamine/validation/social-connection online where I felt much better than IRL where I was bullied or mistreated by my parents. Probably very relatable to a lot of users here.
Looking back, I could've definitely fixed a lot of parts of my life instead of coping with videogames like I did, and gotten better life experiences IRL instead of online. But videogames were the easier way to deal with my shit life, so that was the way I naturally took.

cant change my past. I can't blame myself for 1), was my parents fault tbh. Shit circumstances.

2) sometimes I feel guilty about coping so much with videogames in my past. But really it was just natural to do it considering my life circumstances, being bullied IRL, treated like shit by my parents etc, it's natural to look for other ways to get (social) validation. This was an easy way.
In the moment it felt/seemed like the best option to me. I didn't know any better. I have to forgive myself for this.

 

[MoggerGaston]

Is that taylor swift all the way on the left? Damn didn't know she ate kike dick

they all do

too much of a disadvantage to not eat kike dick to advance your career as young women.
Cant even blame them tbh. Is what it is.

 

[horizontallytall]

But its two way tbh, u lose ur innocence hence u dont even enjoy shit anymore other than primal stuff like providing to ur family,u wont enjoy much, i lost my innocence and the enthusiastic behaviour the more i indulged in dark shit tbh,i feel life truly ends after 17 for this sole reason tbh

I think this rule applies too ,u dont want to look back and realise ur not a same person believe me ,, ignorance is really bliss if u got the genetic needs fulfilled and dont have to face harsh reality ,u can keep ur desires a bit low and try to enjoy life being the child u are inside

 

[MoggerGaston]

U learn by opening urself to weird situations from an young age i realised it and did deepshit since 16 age , and always forced myself cause i knew i have to take huge low inhib step in future to make the most put of life and need to learn somehow

Yes exactly.

Scamming this drugdealer for 2 grams of cocaine today should've just been a normal thing to do.
Making use of the situation that occurs, learn that scamming can indeed be easy and profitable. Would've taken only 1 minute and no effort since he set himself up with his own mistake.

 

[incel194012940]

i came to the conclusion that to live almost like a hermit and have a genuine talent and passion for something solitary that you can put your vital energy into even if its turbo autist with thomas the tank engines mogs anything except being top 0.01% gigachad.

Mostly because you can keep get out what you put in unlike unpredictable normies and females.

of course the kind of brain that can be completely content like that is rarer gift than being chad

 

[Klasik01]

There's a way to be inmoral by still being a good person, being a bad person will make you unlikable and lonely for sure. You need to act according to interests than benefit you and decline to interests of others that doesn't benefit you, it means having friends for a certain benefit and not for pure love. The way to keep these relationships is by trust, you should trust each other to keep the mutual interest. If you can help others without risking any of the benefits of life then do it.

A moral person would do anything to help others without seeking a potential benefit to his/her actions but as we know only few people are like this in the world, because this world is made for narcissism everything is a competition between people to survive (especially in you live in a city).

 

[MoggerGaston]

But its two way tbh, u lose ur innocence hence u dont even enjoy shit anymore other than primal stuff like providing to ur family,u wont enjoy much, i lost my innocence and the enthusiastic behaviour the more i indulged in dark shit tbh,i feel life truly ends after 17 for this sole reason tbh

I think this rule applies too ,u dont want to look back and realise ur not a same person believe me ,, ignorance is really bliss if u got the genetic needs fulfilled and dont have to face harsh reality ,u can keep ur desires a bit low and try to enjoy life being the child u are inside

I feel like my innocence is already largely gone since I got black-pilled and have realized how fucked my truecel life is at 28yo.

The child in me seems gone. I have to find it again some way. I don't know how.

But right now my life quality is largely shit so I feel there's a need to indulge in dark shit to improve it. Once I have a decent life going for me, I can adjust again to this new life circumstance, re-evaluate.

 

[horizontallytall]

I feel like my innocence is already largely gone since I got black-pilled and have realized how fucked my truecel life is at 28yo.

The child in me seems gone. I have to find it again some way. I don't know how.

But right now my life quality is largely shit so I feel there's a need to indulge in dark shit to improve it. Once I have a decent life going for me, I can adjust again to this new life circumstance, re-evaluate.

U wont be able to adjust again, especially since u dont ever had that good familial bond, falling back to things and situations we lived in childhood can help u get back ur innocence but how come one can when it never properly existed and in some peoples cases they lost that environment to time ,like losing family members, this is what my problem is , i wish my family members were alive

 

[Klasik01]

Morality? Fuck morality! The percentage of hot young virgins is astronomically small and the rates of promiscuity, infidelity and divorce are skyrocketing, why the hell would I be a man with good morals? Darktriadmaxxing is where it's at. You can only combat evil by becoming a greater evil!

Combating the evil in this rotten fucked up society will make you a hero and change the moral code of people, we need to get rid of this shitty declining society with power and reason. If you don't have a reason to "be evil" then your actions are meaningless and will not last upon time. Be a rebel with cause, not an angry kid.

 

[MoggerGaston]

i came to the conclusion that to live almost like a hermit and have a genuine talent and passion for something solitary that you can put your vital energy into even if its turbo autist with thomas the tank engines mogs anything except being top 0.01% gigachad.

Mostly because you can keep get out what you put in unlike unpredictable normies and females.

of course the kind of brain that can be completely content like that is rarer gift than being chad

I get you and I actually know a severely autistic person who lives like this. Indulged in his own world. He doesn't care that he is a 28yo truecel and has almost no friends, social circle, respect, money, etc.
This nigga is fascinated by watches, became a watchmaker as a job and in his free-time he runs marathons. Those are his 2 passions, watches and running marathons. It keeps him completely occupied and he feels satisfied.

I don't think it's realistic for most of us to live as a hermit and be fine with it like him. But he makes it work for him.

But even for 'normal' people like us. Having some big passion you really care about and can dump your energy into and feeling like it matters and what you are doing is valuable. Definitely a great way to deal with a lot of negative aspects of life (like inceldom) and being more happy in general.
Doesn't have to be your job, could also be a hobby you are really passionate about.

Haven't found it yet personally. Neither in my job/career nor in a hobby.


Dealing with normies/females is indeed extremely unpredictable. Especially romantic relationships with women are generally extremely volatile. Having your life satisfaction, self-esteem, joy, depend on your romantic relationships with women is idiotic.

It works for a couple of people who find their life-partner, soul-mate, etc. have a really good relationship which just works out.
But for most of us, it isn't ever going to be like that and you are going to be left heart-broken at some point in your life, or even forever.


In the end life shouldn't be so one dimensional. Here on this forum we focus so much on looks, social validation/status, and especially validation from women. Relationships with women.

Wageslaving is looked down on, and many hobbies are seen as coping.

But really, finding a job which you a passionate about and feel good doing, is insane for overall life quality.
Same with finding a hobby which you feel really feel good about.

There's more to life than lookism and inceldom. People can be happy even while being truecel, working the right job, passion, having the right hobbies, etc.

Getting their social validation elsewhere from friends/family possibly.

 

[MoggerGaston]

There's a way to be inmoral by still being a good person, being a bad person will make you unlikable and lonely for sure. You need to act according to interests than benefit you and decline to interests of others that doesn't benefit you, it means having friends for a certain benefit and not for pure love. The way to keep these relationships is by trust, you should trust each other to keep the mutual interest. If you can help others without risking any of the benefits of life then do it.

A moral person would do anything to help others without seeking a potential benefit to his/her actions but as we know only few people are like this in the world, because this world is made for narcissism everything is a competition between people to survive (especially in you live in a city).

definitely.

acting immoral and people possibly finding out about it, is simply a risk/cost/benefit analysis though.

Acting immoral can also mean simply lying about how much effort something took to make it seem like you value someone more than you actually do.

Imagine someone inviting you to some social event, like a baby shower.

You could say: 'Oh yeah I'll be there, I had nothing else to do anyways.'
It makes your time/life seem worthless to respond in such a way and the person inviting you will probably see your presence as easy-going, like you didn't sacrifice anything to be there and don't necessarily value being there. It was merely easy for you and you don't necessarily value the social situation.

Now imagine saying something like: 'Damn I had already had something really important xxx planned on that day. I really value our friendship though, I am going to reschedule xxx because I want to be at your social event. U can count on me.'

could literally all just be lies and bullshit (dark triad), but you make yourself seem way more valuable and this person will value you much more for making 'such a big sacrifice'. You increase your social status, increase trust, friendship, and more. In a very easy manner.

 

[incel194012940]

I get you and I actually know a severely autistic person who lives like this. Indulged in his own world. He doesn't care that he is a 28yo truecel and has almost no friends, social circle, respect, money, etc.
This nigga is fascinated by watches, became a watchmaker as a job and in his free-time he runs marathons. Those are his 2 passions, watches and running marathons. It keeps him completely occupied and he feels satisfied.

I don't think it's realistic for most of us to live as a hermit and be fine with it like him. But he makes it work for him.

But even for 'normal' people like us. Having some big passion you really care about and can dump your energy into and feeling like it matters and what you are doing is valuable. Definitely a great way to deal with a lot of negative aspects of life (like inceldom) and being more happy in general.
Doesn't have to be your job, could also be a hobby you are really passionate about.

Haven't found it yet personally. Neither in my job/career nor in a hobby.


Dealing with normies/females is indeed extremely unpredictable. Especially romantic relationships with women are generally extremely volatile. Having your life satisfaction, self-esteem, joy, depend on your romantic relationships with women is idiotic.

It works for a couple of people who find their life-partner, soul-mate, etc. have a really good relationship which just works out.
But for most of us, it isn't ever going to be like that and you are going to be left heart-broken at some point in your life, or even forever.


In the end life shouldn't be so one dimensional. Here on this forum we focus so much on looks, social validation/status, and especially validation from women. Relationships with women.

Wageslaving is looked down on, and many hobbies are seen as coping.

But really, finding a job which you a passionate about and feel good doing, is insane for overall life quality.
Same with finding a hobby which you feel really feel good about.

There's more to life than lookism and inceldom. People can be happy even while being truecel, working the right job, passion, having the right hobbies, etc.

Getting their social validation elsewhere from friends/family possibly.

100%

something redpillers get right is that passion is a very attractive trait, you can't help but respect such a person - although no one's ever found the love of their life by watching scammers in their room on friday night

 

[MoggerGaston]

U wont be able to adjust again, especially since u dont ever had that good familial bond, falling back to things and situations we lived in childhood can help u get back ur innocence but how come one can when it never properly existed and in some peoples cases they lost that environment to time ,like losing family members, this is what my problem is , i wish my family members were alive

I am going to the ward in a couple of months, where I will have intense therapy multiple days per week. I've been told that I am traumatized way too hard for normal therapy to ever get through to me, so more intense sessions are required.

According to my psychologist, one of the main objectives of this specific therapy I will have is rediscovering the child in you, realizing how your traumas have changed who you are and giving this a healthy place and moving on. Going back in time a lot and starting anew, trying to find out who you really were, since you lost who you are in this traumatized past, etc. Rediscovering the things you wanted/liked as a child and igniting those desires again. Allowing you to develop a healthy personality in the present.

All sounds very promising, but it will probably be extremely hard. Will collide with my ego a lot, hard to let go of who you are.


Like you say, never having that familial bond, shit childhood, having lost family members, etc.
I don't think it's appropriate to say that you can't ever 'adjust again', seems very defeatist without real proof that it has to be that way.

But it definitely won't be easy as you will be fighting your own ego a lot non-stop.

Mental ascension has always seemed like the biggest/hardest obstacle anyways. Personally I am completely stuck in who I was in the past and what I experienced as a child/teen. It has cemented my self-esteem and how I look at the world and myself. Very negative.

I hope to one day ascend mentally so I can live a happy life. Then share that happiness. And then also make guides and a lot of positive hopeful posts on here to let people know that mental ascension is possible for example, etc.

Looks-ascension is so easy relatively speaking. Like it's just soft-maxxing generally for most of us to reach a reasonable looks-level. roids/tats/tan, RTT, if you really want to slay.
surgeries/fillers if you want to really max out.

But actually becoming happy mentally, enjoying life, who you are, giving your past a good place.
Very hard.

 

[horizontallytall]

I am going to the ward in a couple of months, where I will have intense therapy multiple days per week. I've been told that I am traumatized way too hard for normal therapy to ever get through to me, so more intense sessions are required.

According to my psychologist, one of the main objectives of this specific therapy I will have is rediscovering the child in you, realizing how your traumas have changed who you are and giving this a healthy place and moving on. Going back in time a lot and starting anew, trying to find out who you really were, since you lost who you are in this traumatized past, etc. Rediscovering the things you wanted/liked as a child and igniting those desires again. Allowing you to develop a healthy personality in the present.

All sounds very promising, but it will probably be extremely hard. Will collide with my ego a lot, hard to let go of who you are.


Like you say, never having that familial bond, shit childhood, having lost family members, etc.
I don't think it's appropriate to say that you can't ever 'adjust again', seems very defeatist without real proof that it has to be that way.

But it definitely won't be easy as you will be fighting your own ego a lot non-stop.

Mental ascension has always seemed like the biggest/hardest obstacle anyways. Personally I am completely stuck in who I was in the past and what I experienced as a child/teen. It has cemented my self-esteem and how I look at the world and myself. Very negative.

I hope to one day ascend mentally so I can live a happy life. Then share that happiness. And then also make guides and a lot of positive hopeful posts on here to let people know that mental ascension is possible for example, etc.

Looks-ascension is so easy relatively speaking. Like it's just soft-maxxing generally for most of us to reach a reasonable looks-level. roids/tats/tan, RTT, if you really want to slay.
surgeries/fillers if you want to really max out.

But actually becoming happy mentally, enjoying life, who you are, giving your past a good place.
Very hard.

I actually wanted to change my self perception after trauma incidents ,looks maxxing especially heightmaxxing struck me as something that would work i have not seens any known person since 16 age since i changed places and live alone , and i wanted to grow tall and then get so buff that i look almost u reconigzable and then go back to my hometown, with people being shocked ,their persepectiom of me being completely different gave me utmost joy ,like i will be able to live again like before with a completely different body and the world will see me different, too, hopefully i went from 5'7-5'8 to 6'2 and now need three inches more , then i will get shoe lifts of two inches , will be hell of a thing to meet old familiar people, friends and feeling completely different in my old town, its just a stupid cope i use to give my mind the relaxation and change it needs to recover from very brutal experiences

 

[BrahminBoss]

I am going to the ward in a couple of months, where I will have intense therapy multiple days per week. I've been told that I am traumatized way too hard for normal therapy to ever get through to me, so more intense sessions are required.

According to my psychologist, one of the main objectives of this specific therapy I will have is rediscovering the child in you, realizing how your traumas have changed who you are and giving this a healthy place and moving on. Going back in time a lot and starting anew, trying to find out who you really were, since you lost who you are in this traumatized past, etc. Rediscovering the things you wanted/liked as a child and igniting those desires again. Allowing you to develop a healthy personality in the present.

All sounds very promising, but it will probably be extremely hard. Will collide with my ego a lot, hard to let go of who you are.


Like you say, never having that familial bond, shit childhood, having lost family members, etc.
I don't think it's appropriate to say that you can't ever 'adjust again', seems very defeatist without real proof that it has to be that way.

But it definitely won't be easy as you will be fighting your own ego a lot non-stop.

Mental ascension has always seemed like the biggest/hardest obstacle anyways. Personally I am completely stuck in who I was in the past and what I experienced as a child/teen. It has cemented my self-esteem and how I look at the world and myself. Very negative.

I hope to one day ascend mentally so I can live a happy life. Then share that happiness. And then also make guides and a lot of positive hopeful posts on here to let people know that mental ascension is possible for example, etc.

Looks-ascension is so easy relatively speaking. Like it's just soft-maxxing generally for most of us to reach a reasonable looks-level. roids/tats/tan, RTT, if you really want to slay.
surgeries/fillers if you want to really max out.

But actually becoming happy mentally, enjoying life, who you are, giving your past a good place.
Very hard.

Therapists are gay, go to amazon basin and try ayahuasca

 

[BrahminBoss]

I am going to the ward in a couple of months, where I will have intense therapy multiple days per week. I've been told that I am traumatized way too hard for normal therapy to ever get through to me, so more intense sessions are required.

According to my psychologist, one of the main objectives of this specific therapy I will have is rediscovering the child in you, realizing how your traumas have changed who you are and giving this a healthy place and moving on. Going back in time a lot and starting anew, trying to find out who you really were, since you lost who you are in this traumatized past, etc. Rediscovering the things you wanted/liked as a child and igniting those desires again. Allowing you to develop a healthy personality in the present.

All sounds very promising, but it will probably be extremely hard. Will collide with my ego a lot, hard to let go of who you are.


Like you say, never having that familial bond, shit childhood, having lost family members, etc.
I don't think it's appropriate to say that you can't ever 'adjust again', seems very defeatist without real proof that it has to be that way.

But it definitely won't be easy as you will be fighting your own ego a lot non-stop.

Mental ascension has always seemed like the biggest/hardest obstacle anyways. Personally I am completely stuck in who I was in the past and what I experienced as a child/teen. It has cemented my self-esteem and how I look at the world and myself. Very negative.

I hope to one day ascend mentally so I can live a happy life. Then share that happiness. And then also make guides and a lot of positive hopeful posts on here to let people know that mental ascension is possible for example, etc.

Looks-ascension is so easy relatively speaking. Like it's just soft-maxxing generally for most of us to reach a reasonable looks-level. roids/tats/tan, RTT, if you really want to slay.
surgeries/fillers if you want to really max out.

But actually becoming happy mentally, enjoying life, who you are, giving your past a good place.
Very hard.

 

[MoggerGaston]

Therapists are gay, go to amazon basin and try ayahuasca

ever done shrooms?

I have had the most extreme and heavy emotional feelings on shrooms. Almost killed myself one trip.

I still want to try ayahuasca and DMT
Probably will do LSD a couple more times first, since it's so easy to get and use.

Then ease into ayahuasca/DMT after that. salvia too.

 

[MoggerGaston]

Therapists are gay, go to amazon basin and try ayahuasca

I disagree. I've had bad experiences with therapists myself a lot. Didn't feel like I was being taken seriously, couldn't relate to what the therapist was saying. Didn't feel like I was free to say what I wanted. Been through at least 6 therapists without any positive results.

My current therapist is quite good though. She's an older female so I have a lot of defensive beef with her naturally and I believe she can't understand what I've gone through. But she seems to take me seriously and I don't dominate the conversation as much as I did with my old therapists.

She knows how to trigger deep emotions/trauma in me, from my childhood, which will make me cry during our sessions and unload deep emotional pain. Didn't have this before with prior therapists. They would never really get to me, I would never cry or become emotional during those sessions. In the moment it definitely feels good as you get to unload emotionally and feel better afterwards.

I don't really discuss my inceldom with her and my hate for women, maybe I should mention it more but it is awkward to me to discuss this type of thing with a female therapist as I would feel judged?! and I would think she doesnt take me seriously.
I am going to bring this up during our next session. Cant progress in therapy unless you can really let yourself go and share everything that's really bothering you.

she's hopefully professional enough to accept my hatred for women and not take it in some personal way or in some way where she looks down on me.

 

[BrahminBoss]

I disagree. I've had bad experiences with therapists myself a lot. Didn't feel like I was being taken seriously, couldn't relate to what the therapist was saying. Didn't feel like I was free to say what I wanted. Been through at least 6 therapists without any positive results.

My current therapist is quite good though. She's an older female so I have a lot of defensive beef with her naturally and I believe she can't understand what I've gone through. But she seems to take me seriously and I don't dominate the conversation as much as I did with my old therapists.

She knows how to trigger deep emotions/trauma in me, from my childhood, which will make me cry during our sessions and unload deep emotional pain. Didn't have this before with prior therapists. They would never really get to me, I would never cry or become emotional during those sessions. In the moment it definitely feels good as you get to unload emotionally and feel better afterwards.

I don't really discuss my inceldom with her and my hate for women, maybe I should mention it more but it is awkward to me to discuss this type of thing with a female therapist as I would feel judged?! and I would think she doesnt take me seriously.
I am going to bring this up during our next session. Cant progress in therapy unless you can really let yourself go and share everything that's really bothering you.

she's hopefully professional enough to accept my hatred for women and not take it in some personal way or in some way where she looks down on me.

Just fap to female inferiority subReddits

 

[MoggerGaston]

Just fap to female inferiority subReddits

I did a personality-disorder screener test 2 weeks ago with her. The results were quite brutal and I score extremely high on almost every disorder there is.

Paranoia, Narcissism, Borderline, Antisocial, Avoidant, Obsessive-Compulsive, Shizotypal. I scored high in all of these, but this was just a screener test and designed to be extremely sensitive. So I likely don't actually have all of these disorders. It's merely designed to highlight possible personality issues which need more testing and I will do a more elaborate test next week.

Still cagefuel that I will probably have like half of these personality disorders I just mentioned after more elaborate testing.

is what it is. Ill be the same person before and after being diagnosed with all these disorders.

Only personality disorders that I scored completely negative on on this sensitive screener-test were:

Shizoid (schizophrenia)
Histrionic (theatrical, trying to draw attention to yourself a lot)
Dependent (seeking a lot of validation and being told what to do)

I scored negative on these so it's extremely unlikely I have any of these 3 disorders.


Idk, therapy is interesting. Makes you think about shit, the tests are funny. A lot of emotional unloading, frustration.

I like the sessions so far.

 

[InnerVoid]

this only applies to borderline deofrmed people. most men dont experience social darwinism

 

[MoggerGaston]

this only applies to borderline deofrmed people. most men dont experience social darwinism

everyone experiences social darwinism.
A good-looking guy trying to date his stacy looksmatch will also be subjected to extreme competition.

attractive men could date women they mog without much trouble or competition, but at that point they are decreasing their own (genetic) wealth and overal life quality. Also reducing the value of their offspring. Which is still social darwinism.

 

[InnerVoid]

A good-looking guy trying to date his stacy looksmatch will also be subjected to extreme competition.

competition only exists if a girl doesnt like you

 

[MoggerGaston]

competition only exists if a girl doesnt like you

competition always exists. Especially in the early phases of social/sexual interaction.
Finding girls you like, them liking you, starting to date, getting more intimate from there, etc. All very competitive.

although it's probably an unhealthy way to look at developed intimate relationships, to always consider competition. At some point you have to develop some form of trust and dependance in a LTR and become less competitive tbh.

 

[InnerVoid]

competition always exists. Especially in the early phases of social/sexual interaction.
Finding girls you like, them liking you, starting to date, getting more intimate from there, etc. All very competitive.

although it's probably an unhealthy way to look at developed intimate relationships, to always consider competition. At some point you have to develop some form of trust and dependance in a LTR and become less competitive tbh.

i dont understand any of this since its over for me

 

[Gusokumushi]

morals are fucking retarded.

The only thing that matters is:

1)The chance that your fraud/abuse/manipulation is uncovered.
2)The consequences that uncovering will hold for you.

In general the chance is low and the consequences are light. Makes no sense to destroy your own life quality by not frauding, manipulating, scamming, stealing, abusing, etc. whenever the odds are in your favor.

Fuck everyone over whenever you can and when the odds are heavily in your favor.

Ofcourse risk/benefit analysis is crucial here. But without moral considerations.

And bad people get away with lots of shit because the law is designed by rich people to protect themselves against vigilante justice from the poor