Bodybuilding thread : How to get your pro card Version 1

Retarded ass thread lol, you can't explain certain stuff so you stay the don't matter much or that we currently do not have conclusive evidence on the matter. also overtraining GALORE. watch one video from Dr.Mike and you will be 20x more knowledgeable than this subhuman.
 
Retarded ass thread lol, you can't explain certain stuff so you stay the don't matter much or that we currently do not have conclusive evidence on the matter. also overtraining GALORE. watch one video from Dr.Mike and you will be 20x more knowledgeable than this subhuman.
Bro just watch youtube videos and claim being more knowledgeable than someone who gave Studies like nigga what do you think pmid means
Also your right i should stop doing complicated over simplified threads where i just give resume without explaining with evidence but people didn’t like the thread anyway so why put effort in it an db write a long ass thread im sure your not even reading my reply let alone read a long ass thread (also for context when i posted this i was new on the site i didn’t know what people really liked caus etheir are a lot of gymmaxing tutorials)
Fuck you puaahhhh nigga mTn i hope you get rapzd by black dudes muahahh
 
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Bro just watch youtube videos and claim being more knowledgeable than someone who gave Studies like nigga what do you think pmid means
Also your right i should stop doing complicated over simplified threads where i just give resume without explaining with evidence but people didn’t like the thread anyway so why put effort in it an db write a long ass thread im sure your not even reading my reply let alone read a long ass thread (also for context when i posted this i was new on the site i didn’t know what people really liked caus etheir are a lot of gymmaxing tutorials)
Fuck you puaahhhh nigga mTn i hope you get rapzd by black dudes muahahh
I did read it and realized you are just rage baiting. you can't genuinely be this neurodivergent.
 
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>full body
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gotts be hypersensitive to roids
 
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How To get a Pro card :



(Contrairly too the previous thread this one i don’t give a fuck about your health all i care about is you staying alive and winning your pro card that supposing you have atleast slightly above average genetics (you’ll need 6/10 genetics) and have balls of steel and sheer fucking will



(Medical disclaimer : Do not do this protocol this thread doesn’t contain any Medical advice , i am not a doctor This thread is only for entertainment only if you truly Want to compete on stage this isn’t for beginners this is literally sacrificing your health i want do this cycle unless im 100% sure this is what i want to do for the rest of my life this is a Carear plan

Supposing you have atleast 1 year of steroid use under your belt you probably aware of the sude effects)



So their are 5 rules for you to aquire your pro card those are :



1)you should be 21 or older (Sorry your not jeff seid also shoutout to people who think that jeff seid is natural 😂😂😂 that mf was in the fucking mr olympia you dumbass ni….gerian political figure)



2)you should have 4-7 years of natty training on your belt with 1-2 years of enhanced training a good measure to value if you are ready or not is strenght go see if you have atleast advanced levels of strengh in key compound movement



3)you don’t have any major health issue if you already have issues (diabaetes heart kidney or liver complications ect…..) now that the gear would only make them worse or bine health problem like scholiosis or severe oestroporosis or have a low blood cell count basicaly being an average dude is actually being an above average dude 💀



4)have atleast slightly more than average genetics what i mean about that you have decent insertion you don’t find a problem eating a lot off food you rate of muscle growth seems normal your pr keep increasing week by week even if its 1 rep its still progress that all and your height is between (165 cm-188 cm anything taller or shorter than that you’ll have problem aesthetically speaking) and also you wnt to have atleast an average bideltoid of 48 cm which is strange knowing that arnold looked massive on photos while he had a 56 cm bideltoid 😂😂😂 while being a hipcel and have a desk or at home job that doesn’t stress you out

Thats pay you enough thatt you can affford this lifestyle .



The 5th rule would be at the end of the thread



So their will be 2 chapters with 4 phases



1)Training 🏋️‍♀️ 🚴

2)Gear 💉 and Supps 💊

3) Diet 🍖🥦



*1 Chapter* (off season)



  1. Training
So for training we we are going to Train with high volume so i know the litterature is mixed their studies showing high volume > low volume their studies that show that low volume > high volume its confusing but I’m just gonna go with high volume because everyone train that way and it kinda make more sense sorry

for the Mike mentzer&Dorian yates fans

(Souces:pmid:25546444/Pmid :31868813 /Pmid :30153194for the high volume keep in mind those study are on natty lifters so omagine the gains on gear 💀)



(Pmid: 20581041 Showing that low volume is effective than moderate volume)

Talking about Mike mentzer every set would be taken to failure 😄 because you can’t truly

Track Rpe also im sure all of you gymcels watches pumping iron documentary and their this scene we’re arnold say that the last reps of the set are the most anabolic reps of the reps well turn out ots true those reps are called myo-reps and those are the most anabolic reps of the set and that’s why low volume advocate ise something like rest-pause



fullbody workout 3-4x per week 1 day in 1 day

Off so why did i chose full body i know a lot of you are gonna say protein synthesis but protein synthesis is irrelevant when your on gear its mainly because Full body workout lower inhibits myostatin better than split workout and remember we wanna maximize everything even the slighest growth



So before we start i have to adress some things first training naturally is mush different from training on gear when training naturaly you should always seek so first :



1)you should always seek performance How strong you are will equal how big you are while when your on gear its start getting screwed because when your on gear you start responding to a variety of stimulus how mish weight in the bar is irrelevant the only thing that matter is the volume of mecjanical tens

ion applied to the muscle yes i know training strenght while on steroids is important but as not important as training strength while natural the reason behins it is helps with myonuclei in the muscle and also androgen receptors and with gear its gonna be mush more Op and also keep on track with your strength cause it help you see of you are losing muscle while on the cutting phase .



2)the stretch buy that i mean the full stretch of muscle like the pause at the end of the rep the stretch is no that important natty training because it wouldn’t help that mush you might lose 2.5-20 % (highly depending on the muscle or exercise) same for training on gear so why would i give attention to that is that because even the slightest amount of gains missed could make you lose you could literally as big as all the competitors in every muscle but be placed 5th because you left biceps is lacking its as brutal as what mention so we want to make sure that you don’t miss anything on the table that you use every pink twist every negative



3)the pump it works it just works for some reason pump workouts work in enhanced lifter (not in natty lifters you’ll be dumb to train with the pump as a natural lifter mainly because of

Nitrogen bs that im not gonna discuss right now because Nerddddd and also worst case scenario even if it not effective it show you if you have slept well eated well



So our full body will be like this :



Big muscle groups :

Compound movement from choice (1 set to failure in the 3-7 rep range)

(Note : the exercise you should chose shouldn’t Fry you Cns like Squats or Deadlift or ohp avoid those chose alternative like machine Compound variants of those same exercise ect……

Take stretch Isolation exercises (5 sets to failure in the 6-35 rep range and add in drop sets till’s you can’t literally lift anymore you shouldn’t exeed 10 drop sets)

Then a pump exercise to see if your not alteady pumped



So because im nice I’ll do examples of it but feel free to change the exercise :



Week 1) Monday:Full body 1

Tuesday : rest

Wednesday : Full body 2

Thursday : rest

Friday : Full body 1

Saturday : rest

Sunday : Full body 2



Week 2) Monday : rest

Tuesday : Full body 1

Wednesday : rest

Thursday : Full body 2

Friday : rest

Saturday : Full body 1

Sunday : rest



Week 3) Monday : Full body 2

Tuesday : rest

Wednesday : Full body 1

Thursday : rest

Friday : Full body 2

Saturday : rest

Sunday : Full body 1



Week 4) Monday : rest

Tuesday : Full body 2

Wednesday : rest

Thursday : Full body 1

Friday : rest

Saturday : Full body 2

Sunday : rest



Take the rest of the month (2-3 days depending in the months) at the exemption of february you take a whole week off

(Note : i Would like you in this protocol to always train in the same hours if you can its not mandatory just optimal) you aslo want to take a whole week off before training



Full Body 1 : Hack Squats (1 set to failure 3-7 reps )

Smith machine Rdl (1 set to failure 3-7 reps )

Bulgarian Split squats (1 set to failure 3-7 reps)

Wide grip Neutral Lat pull down (1 set to failure 3-7 reps)

Machine row (1 set to failure 3-7 reps range)

Incline Db bench press (1 set to failure 3-7 rep range)

Weighted Dips (1 set to gailure 3-7 reps)

Inverted grip Seated Cable row (1 set to failure 3-7 reps)

Seated Machine shoulder press (1 set to failure 3-7 reps)



Note: 5-10 min of rest period between exercise



Full body 2 : Leg extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Seated leg curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Leg press Calf raise 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Cable chest fly 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Cable pull overs 5 sets (+multiple dropsets )

Smith machine shrugs 5 sets (+multiple dropsets sets)

Supinated 1 arm Cable preasher curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets sets)

Rope hammer curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Cable triceps extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Db triceps extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Cable lateral raise 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)



Note:rest period shouldn’t exceed 2 min in sets and 30 s in drop sets

The rep ranges are between 6-30 reps



Also at the end of the session do 30 min of low intinsity Cardio (130 bpm) that’s to help you with your hearth health and also help with blood pressure management

Not mandatory but you could also use the sauna with cold exposure just after for 15 min 3x per week for health benefits (do not do that you dont wanna end up like zyzz)



Yes ahhh thats painfully even looking at it give me the chills that not training that torture but don’t let anything make you forget your dream and why you are doing this for now



Now the moment everyone waiting for the fucking roids

Gear ⚙️ :

The base test duhhh

Testosterone enanthate 80 mg daily

(The reason of daily injection is to mitigate the risk the more frequent you inject the less side effects)

For the Oral :

Oxymethalone 100 mg with 20 mg tamoxifen only in Full body 1 day

Or

Oxandrolone 20 mg during the whole cycle



A lot of thing just overate liver toxicity and shit bitch its either your drugs are mess up or else its just placebo cause they literally literature of little girls in burned to the 3rd degree being prescribed high dose oxymethalone or oxandrolone for her to quickly heal from the damage were talking about an 8 year old using

20-50 mg anavar or using 100-150 mg Oxymethalone for like 6-12 months treatment without any liver or any basic health control



(Their is 2 options :

Either you take Nandralone with Something to control your estrogen (if you have family pattern boldness running in your family)

Or you take Primo or Masteron or Boldenone )



i. 80 mg Nandrolone propionate daily with Exemestane why exemestane cause its the safest estrogen blocker you’ll take so you just take exemestane you (do blood work to determine the dosage start with 12.5 mg if its not enough increase the dose) you can also Spam natural supplements to keep you estrogen in check I’ll show you how to that in the next thread )



ii. 80 mg drostanolone enanthate (i know what you will be telling me why Masteron in the off season its so androgenic and has metabolites that will fry my hair line the reason behind me taking Masteron is as you can see you only take anadrol only in Full body 1 days it might fuck your blood concentration levels i know that but anadrol and superdrol are popular to give you mystery gyno and you surely don’t want that to happen that why even put nolvadex with it (im scared of you having blood clots thats why the tamoxifen wasn’t daily) isn’t enought because anadrol has priority on the estrogen blocker pr some shit nahh anadrol is really the weirdest steroid by far also dont use fucking anadrol if you never used it for some reason its just anecdotal masteron metabolites block anadrol gyno that why

iii. 80 mg metenolone enanthate daily its a safe dht derivative literraly one of the safest steroids help you control your estrogen overall 10/10 steroid

iiii. 100 mg boldenone undelynecate daily its a testosterone derivative also but has estrogen blocking effect its also pretty safe its just harsh on your kidneys but you can bypass that when we skip to the health part over all 10/10 steroid



You can also mix them just have basic knowledge on steroids if i had the choice i would’ve sone that :

60 mg testosterone enanthate

30 mg Boldenone undelynecate

40 mg drostanolone enanthate

50 mg Oxymethalone on full body 1 days

With 20 mg tamoxifen

15 mg oxandrolone daily



For the Growth hormone i recommend using only 4 iu (you can go up to 8 iu if your a rich cell) and combine it with otherSecrataguogues and peptidds the reason behind it is that growth hormonz isnt just one type you need multiplz growth hormones and when you you injtct your pituitary stop producing them so using peptides and secreataguoges would be more interesting also too save up money 😂😂😂😂

So you have your 4-8 iu of hgh

Theen you’ll take with it 25 mg of mk 667

With 200 mcg of Cjc 295 No dac daily

And 200 mcg of ipamorelin

So next i would like to usee increlex as igf-1 but i know a lot od you wouldn’t know how to get it so will just use either with lr3 or Des (note you use igf-1 only in training days and if you use igf-1 des use it after your workout because its half time is so short) for the dosage its anything between 2-5 mg is a maximum daily

To avoid bubble gut some literraly feel their intestines growing while on igf-1 💀

(Don’t think hgh and igf-1 is a free ridee youll

The price off it later that shit is multiplying your chance of cancer)

Insulin : Really this is one of the phew steroids that can actually kill you up just can’t tall you exactly how mush to take its highly individual if you wanna take it feel free but do your fucking research insulin is no joke

Also you can add an angiotensin inhibitor of your choice



Also for you brain health you’ll be taking :

50 mg Modafinil pre workout that training is like torture so using dopamine will trick your brain into liking it



Also take 25 mg Dhea and 25 mg pregnolone cause you are going to be suppressed of the steroids your using natural neuro steroids so you wanna replace them





1 g of Semak with 1 g of Selank the reason bzhind using both of them is that like said before do to you frying your CNs with all those sets to failure you need something to help you fight that maybe you could recover physiologically but want psychologicaly so that’s why were using Semak and Selank



So know for the health supplements :



200 mg Aspirin to lower inflammation

500 mg Citrus bergamot dor your lipids and cholesterol(you could also use 5 mg Cardarine it has been shown to have good benefits also at that low of a dose don’t worry about cancer risk)

200 mg injecatble glutathione

250 mg Tudca take. multiple times throughout the day (take it with a meal)

500 mg Berberine for Blood sugar control take it just after your workout is finished

500 mg of Astrafaglus root for kidney health

Take 5-10 mg Cialis and do not use Telmisrtan only as a last resort at 40 mg cause if you already using telmisartan ow boy your pretty mush fucked basicaly



Legit Supplements: Creatine monohydrate 5g

L carnitine 2g

Not Mandatory stuff :

Yohimbine 5 g

Hcg 500 iu 3x per week (if you wanna be fertile or have balls 😂😂 but do not use it if your deca because 19 nors fucks anything related to fertility so byby lh and )







For the diet you’ll basically want to Bulk up



For you to compete you’ll need an ffmi of 29 at a very lean bf% (4-6% bf territory) so you’ll basicaly go on ana ffmi calculaor and see how big you are and how many lb should you add for you to get 30 ffmi why 30 and not 29 just in case their multiple factors that might scew ffmi like water retention ect…..

so worst case scenario you would be 28 which is literally golden era level then your gonna see how push you still have for your competition and divide the number of lb you need to achieve your goals and the time you need lets say as an example you have 30 weeks before competition and you now you need 14 weeks for the cutting phase so you have 16 weeks remained your currently and you now your lets say 203 lb at 12 % and you calculated that you need to be 240 lb at 20 % to have an ffmi of 30 then you’ll basicaly bulk up to 240 lb while making sure you do not exeed 20% bf (just don’t worry too mush the drugs are probably gonna make all the calories go to muscle trust me just don’t exceed your maintenance with 3000 calories godammit that stupid)So for the caloric Calculation i cant tell you nothing you can use one online



Now for the diet you’ll need yo be taking 2 g of protein /lb of bodyweight you onviously need more proteinthe studies of 1g are for natty lifters training with a split routine not someone enhanced training full body high intensity high volume heavy workout does it majestic any sense do you take ronnie coleman was eating 1g of protein /lb of bodyweight no (atleast 100 g of fat composing majority of it from Saturated fat for health reasons) and fill the rest with Carbs

For water intake you’ll need 3-5 L of Water depending on you go calculate how mush water your need per day on google (Water is anabolic)

(Note:take the majority of your carbs before your workout and after your workout those are the best moment to eat the maximum amount of carbs also you can take moderate dose of sugar in this program (do not exceed 100 g) just take it slightly before or after your workout id recommend chocolate because of epicatechin that lowers myostatin id also recommend your carb source to have a low glycemic index)



You’ll also wanna take 1 meal every 3 hours and you take with it 1 capsule and 1 soft gel of a reputabal multivitamin and fish oil with it

(Im sorry for not giving examples but for the diet part it’s extremely specific)



Now for the second part the cutting phase for the training

Full body 1) would be the same nothing will chnage in this part I’ll want you to maintain or slightly atleast the level of strength you had in your bulking phase also the rep range are gonna change to 5-7 reps

For Full body 2) Wouldn’t change except no more drop sets you’ll just drop the Volume to 2 sets with no drop sets this time you’ll want to maintain or increase the weight you were lifting

No more pump just performance alone

And you’ll replace the cardio with daily fasted 30 min HIIT cardio in the morning and your gonna remove Sauna if you were doing it before do you wanna end up like zyzz



Gear 💉 💊 and Diet 🍖🥦 :



So week 14-10 : for Calories you’ll drop them buy -300 from your maintenance and for your Diet you’ll temporarily lower your fat intake to 60 g and your protein intake to 1g/lb of bodyweight and you will make most of your calories to Carbs you also gonna increase your water intake by 1L

So for the cycle nothing will change just the androgens and the HGH pathway gonna change also we’re gonna add more compounds and the supplements you were using in the first phase are still gonna be used in prep like creatine l carnitine yohimbine ect….

And you’ll add to that Cortisol inhibiting cycle

So it has two main reason behind it is to fet rid of visceral fat that number one and number two is to keep you in check from stress to keep you calm in prep knowing the competition is approashing day by day



Week 14-10 :

4 iu of Hgh

400 mg of test enanthate 2x per week (800 total)

250 mg of Equipose undelynecate (500 total)

Or

Nandrolone propionate (500 total)

(you choose i think your are already educated enough with all the information i gave you in the first section for you to start making some choices )

200 mg Drostanolone 2x per week (400 total)

Orals :

We have the choice between

Anadrol 50 mg daily

Or

Dbol 30 mg daily

With 30 mg anavar daily

And

20 mg nolvadex

With 1 mg arimdex every 3 days

50 mcg of T3

With 80 mcg of clenbuterol daily



So from what you read you already started to notice it started to get hard it started to get dark that why i was so obsessed to harm mitigate in the first section its like in a video game you have your health you don’t wanna lose your health on those easy ennemies you wanna let as mush health for the final boss

Basicaly You don’t wanna shoot at your legs from the first cycle if you start you using ment superdrol halotestin tren in the off season your health is already fucked before the prep



Now for week 10-6

Your gonna increase your fat intake and protein back to what it was and fill the rest of your calories with carbs your also gonna make your water intake the same it was before

Your gonna be using 6 iu of hgh

400 mg of testosterone enanthate 2x per week (800 mg total)

300 mg Boldenone undelynecate 2x per week

(600 mg total)

200 mg Drostanolone enanthate 2x per week

(400 mg total)

For the Oral don’t change anything just add on top of it Mastetolone at 50 mg and remove the oxandrolone

Take 20 mg tamoxifen daily

And take 1 mg arimidex every 3x/week

And 80 mcg of clenbuterol



Week 6-4 : so for the diet your gonna be eating half of your maintenance calories you’ll be eating 1g of protein/lb of Bw and 60 g of fats and fill the rest with carbs :

Your gonna be using :

6 iu of hgh

200 mg testosterone propionate daily (1400 mg total)

100 mg trenbolone acetate daily (700 mg total)

100 mg Drostanolone propionate (700 mg total)

100 mg methenolone enanthate (700 mg total)

250 mg Sustanon 2x/ week (500 mg total)

75 mg injectable stranazol daily

Orals :

50 mg oxandrolone

50 mg masterolone

1 mg arimidex daily

80 mcg clenbuterol

50 mcg T3



Week 4-2 : You remove Full body 1 because of the stranazol who will fuck up your joint you’ll basically now do full body 2 everyday and also because of the incoming fatigue replace daily fasted Hiit with regular low intinsity Cardio for 15 min daily)

your gonna try to lower your carb as mush as possible try to avoid carbs your carbs intake shouldn’t exeed 100 g your gonna have your usual 60 g of fats to live and fill the rest of your calories with protein

For the gear nothing changed

Week 2-1)Nothing change

Exept the dose increase

You know use 165 mg test propionate instead of 150 mg and use 100 mg stranazol instead of 50 mg your also gonna use 100 mg masterolone instead off 50 mg your also gonna use 70 mg oxandrolone instead off 50 mg your also gonna add in 30 mg halotestin



Week 0-1)So for the Diet nothing change just the water intake youll double your original water intake for the first 3 days then your gonna divide your water intake buy 2 and for the gear your gonna go off all the injectable and go to the competition with only oral you would also cut off the orals 24 h exactly before the competition and you should also add in a diuretic called furosemide at dose of 80 mg with 100 mg Dnp with 20 mg tadalfil you Should basicaly stop training at all at this point youll also wanna add to let your body recover also if you were working ill higly suggest that you take that week off as vacation before the competition also make sure if you didn’t already to tell someone to come see you perform also double the dose off anti stress supplements to fight the stress i know your not gonna take my advice evem if its a little bitch go confess to one you know would understand you and tell them how scared you are so they could confort you aslo because of the lack of energy i would like you too Drink tons of coffee also you should go getting tanned duhhh exept if your black then not mandatory but the night before the Olympia you would take multiple shots of Vodka before bed till you collapse 😂😂😂 to dry you off even further

So the day off the competition you would take 50 mg of propanolol and 5 mg of diazepam

Upon rising you are going to go to the mr olympia fasted then 6 hours before the show i want you to eat as mush Carbs as you possibly with a 5 L of water bottle that you’ll drink entirely before the olympia can everything that you dreamed off eating before the olympia take it also bring with you Resistance band so you can catch a pump 30 min before the competition also you’ll basicaly take the pre workout supplements you take before your full body workouts for the pump and add to that 150 mg of Anadrol then yes that pretty mush it if you didn’t get your pro card bro i don’t know what will but i already know you’ll never give up and you’ll probably gonna try next year but I’ll advise you to take 1 year off to let yoyr body recover while on trt and keep training somewhat hard just to maintain some muscle then after the year off try again .





Thanks for reading

Also not implicated its just me trying to Moneymaxx go check my Tiktok:Testogeneration I’ll be posting regularly their



Also about Rule number 5 : its discipline how bad do you want how hungry you are for that card how mush are you ready to sacrifice compared to the other competitors.



Well thats it for this thread I’ll live you with griffith quote : “There is one thing i can do gor them is to Win and keep winning until i attain my dream my dream is already Speared with blood i don’t regret i would rather Sacrifice myself than watch any more innocent child die in the name of my name”
700 tren plus all of that will make someone go literally insane holy shit and 100mg DNP 😭 you not planning to live past 50 with all that, but I guess if you want to be pro that’s most likely the cost unless you have god teir genetics.
 
700 tren plus all of that will make someone go literally insane holy shit and 100mg DNP 😭 you not planning to live past 50 with all that, but I guess if you want to be pro that’s most likely the cost unless you have god teir genetics.
Yes true
The gympill 😂😂
 
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So for training we we are going to Train with high volume so i know the litterature is mixed their studies showing high volume > low volume their studies that show that low volume > high volume its confusing but I’m just gonna go with high volume because everyone train that way and it kinda make more sense sorry

for the Mike mentzer&Dorian yates fans

(Souces:pmid:25546444/Pmid :31868813 /Pmid :30153194for the high volume keep in mind those study are on natty lifters so omagine the gains on gear 💀)


31868813:

8 week study.

"Twenty-seven healthy men (27.2 6 7.1 years [range 19–31 years];height 5 176 6 6.1 cm; total body mass 5 80.6 6 6.5 kg; RT experience 5 40.2 6 13.2 months [mean 6 SD; range 24–120months]; RT frequency 5 4.9 6 0.9 session per week) volunteered to participate in this study. The sample size was justified by a priori power analysis based on a pilot study, where the vastus lateralis MT was assessed as the outcome measure with a target effect size (ES) difference of 0.75, an alpha level of 0.05, and a power (12b) of 0.80 (7). All subjects were resistance-trained; performing RT on a minimum of 3 days per week for at least 1year at the university’s RT gym. All subjects regularly performed(minimum frequency of once a week) all exercises used in the training intervention and in the strength tests for at least 1 year before entering the study."

So it is unlikely that these people are advanced lifters capable of executing at failure. Nor, will they incur the same CNS fatigue from training with higher volumes that people with higher levels of muscle mass will because they will be moving significantly smaller loads and incurring significantly less (per set) damage, stress, fatigue etc... however, they will still be accumulating far more of the above (exaggerated further by the calcium ion accumulation from your SMH component) relative to if they did a lower volume, rested longer and actually trained hard and produced more force per set (experienced more m-tension per set).

"8–10 maximum repetitions (RM) with 60 seconds of rest afforded between sets and 120-second rest between exercises." So they're also nowhere near recovered in between sets to approach high levels of MUR and therefore not training the muscle that hard or close to MUSCULAR failure. This confirms what I already guessed in the paragraph above. These participants are not training with maximal force and MUR, therefore not experiencing the greatest amount of m-tension (which is what you want) and are needlessly generating fatigue and they don't even compare this to the alternative low volume approach.

"All sets were conducted to the point of momentary concentric muscular failure, operationally defined as the inability to perform another concentric repetition while maintaining adequate form. The external load (kg)was adjusted for each exercise, as needed, on successive sets to ensure that subjects achieved failure in the target repetition range. The cadence of repetitions was conducted in a controlled fashion, with concentric and eccentric actions of approximately 1.5 seconds, for total repetition duration of approximately 3 seconds"

Ok where's the slowing contractile velocity indicating proximity to failure? Each new piece of information confirms what I already guessed just from reading the title or soon after.

Bad study as this is not comparing high volume school to the typical myofibrillar HIT school (Chris Beardsley, JP, etc..) but comparing high volume to doing the same sort of high volume training but with just less volume instead of switching it to the actual MUR-based, muscular failure HIT low volume approach.

Not reading the other ones, since if you didn't put in the effort to analyse one of them, I'm not going to put in the effort to analyse all of them.

2)the stretch buy that i mean the full stretch of muscle

High volume + non-failure training + not maximising MUR and mechanical tension + SMH overemphasis.
Training for calcium ion maximisation?

Full body 2 : Leg extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Seated leg curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Leg press Calf raise 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Cable chest fly 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Cable pull overs 5 sets (+multiple dropsets )

Smith machine shrugs 5 sets (+multiple dropsets sets)

Supinated 1 arm Cable preasher curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets sets)

Rope hammer curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Cable triceps extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Db triceps extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Cable lateral raise 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)
Note:rest period shouldn’t exceed 2 min in sets and 30 s in drop sets

Just doing so much to minimise hypertrophy and maximise calcium ion accumulation. Might as well do 52 sets a session to 10+ RIR with cardio tier rests if you're going in that direction. FB with high frequency too. No one large/strong enough to be an IFBB pro is going to execute on this at failure and grow (unless you're using that very flawed definition of failure from the study, which isn't actually indicative of muscular failure, and have Phil Heath or Paul Dillett genetics and can grow doing whatever training you want, if that's the case, what do they need your thread for anyway, since it certainly isn't a very effective way of training?). Also how come in one part you are using studies (flawed ones, nonetheless) to justify your approach but when it comes to this you're not? Also I'm suspecting you are not actually training hard for a long time yourself and are not an advanced lifter because this would just naturally not be sensible to you.

Testosterone enanthate 80 mg daily
You're not turning pro in open on "sports TRT" unless again you're a genetic phenom in which case why even read this?

Insulin : Really this is one of the phew steroids
Insulin, whilst very anabolic in combination with HGH+AAS, is NOT a steroid.
200 mg Aspirin to lower inflammation
You wrote about mTOR negatives from metformin but now you're telling people 200mg aspirin as an antiinflamatory and negatively messing with COX enzymes.
6 iu of hgh

200 mg testosterone propionate daily (1400 mg total)

100 mg trenbolone acetate daily (700 mg total)

100 mg Drostanolone propionate (700 mg total)

100 mg methenolone enanthate (700 mg total)

250 mg Sustanon 2x/ week (500 mg total)

75 mg injectable stranazol daily

Orals :

50 mg oxandrolone

50 mg masterolone

1 mg arimidex daily

80 mcg clenbuterol

50 mcg T3
So you increased the doses here but why are you not telling them to grow in the offseason? Such a large difference.

Why are you prescribing such doses to people when there is very high variability in responses. You can read my thread explaining the basics of starting PEDs and response variation here: https://looksmax.org/threads/what-is-a-steroid-that-has-the-least-negatives.1176525/#post-17450821.

It's like telling every single person on this forum to get a certain list of surgeries which might work for some but might ruin others. Zero variation.

Someone can be aromatising way too much with high e2 and another guy has crashed e2 and you are writing them the same thing. Why? Just be honest and transparent and don't write these step-by-step "guides" which will just mess people up and tell them that this is an individual process and how to make better decisions with PED choice and protocol design.

I first read your insulin/hgh thread today and it was somewhat misleading and I stopped reading early on. Now I am responding and reading this thread. I'm assuming you haven't taken any of this stuff in the manner you've described and haven't tried high dose HGH with high dose AAS and yet you are writing about this stuff as if you have experience or some insight into them. You don't. This is probably doing more harm than good. Stick to writing about your experiences with various compounds instead of writing misleading hypothetical guides.

I don't mean to be disrespectful or rude, but I don't think you have any business posting this sort of thing yet.
 
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31868813:

8 week study.

"Twenty-seven healthy men (27.2 6 7.1 years [range 19–31 years];height 5 176 6 6.1 cm; total body mass 5 80.6 6 6.5 kg; RT experience 5 40.2 6 13.2 months [mean 6 SD; range 24–120months]; RT frequency 5 4.9 6 0.9 session per week) volunteered to participate in this study. The sample size was justified by a priori power analysis based on a pilot study, where the vastus lateralis MT was assessed as the outcome measure with a target effect size (ES) difference of 0.75, an alpha level of 0.05, and a power (12b) of 0.80 (7). All subjects were resistance-trained; performing RT on a minimum of 3 days per week for at least 1year at the university’s RT gym. All subjects regularly performed(minimum frequency of once a week) all exercises used in the training intervention and in the strength tests for at least 1 year before entering the study."

So it is unlikely that these people are advanced lifters capable of executing at failure. Nor, will they incur the same CNS fatigue from training with higher volumes that people with higher levels of muscle mass will because they will be moving significantly smaller loads and incurring significantly less (per set) damage, stress, fatigue etc... however, they will still be accumulating far more of the above (exaggerated further by the calcium ion accumulation from your SMH component) relative to if they did a lower volume, rested longer and actually trained hard and produced more force per set (experienced more m-tension per set).

"8–10 maximum repetitions (RM) with 60 seconds of rest afforded between sets and 120-second rest between exercises." So they're also nowhere near recovered in between sets to approach high levels of MUR and therefore not training the muscle that hard or close to MUSCULAR failure. This confirms what I already guessed in the paragraph above. These participants are not training with maximal force and MUR, therefore not experiencing the greatest amount of m-tension (which is what you want) and are needlessly generating fatigue and they don't even compare this to the alternative low volume approach.

"All sets were conducted to the point of momentary concentric muscular failure, operationally defined as the inability to perform another concentric repetition while maintaining adequate form. The external load (kg)was adjusted for each exercise, as needed, on successive sets to ensure that subjects achieved failure in the target repetition range. The cadence of repetitions was conducted in a controlled fashion, with concentric and eccentric actions of approximately 1.5 seconds, for total repetition duration of approximately 3 seconds"

Ok where's the slowing contractile velocity indicating proximity to failure? Each new piece of information confirms what I already guessed just from reading the title or soon after.

Bad study as this is not comparing high volume school to the typical myofibrillar HIT school (Chris Beardsley, JP, etc..) but comparing high volume to doing the same sort of high volume training but with just less volume instead of switching it to the actual MUR-based, muscular failure HIT low volume approach.

Not reading the other ones, since if you didn't put in the effort to analyse one of them, I'm not going to put in the effort to analyse all of them.



High volume + non-failure training + not maximising MUR and mechanical tension + SMH overemphasis.
Training for calcium ion maximisation?




Just doing so much to minimise hypertrophy and maximise calcium ion accumulation. Might as well do 52 sets a session to 10+ RIR with cardio tier rests if you're going in that direction. FB with high frequency too. No one large/strong enough to be an IFBB pro is going to execute on this at failure and grow (unless you're using that very flawed definition of failure from the study, which isn't actually indicative of muscular failure, and have Phil Heath or Paul Dillett genetics and can grow doing whatever training you want, if that's the case, what do they need your thread for anyway, since it certainly isn't a very effective way of training?). Also how come in one part you are using studies (flawed ones, nonetheless) to justify your approach but when it comes to this you're not? Also I'm suspecting you are not actually training hard for a long time yourself and are not an advanced lifter because this would just naturally not be sensible to you.


You're not turning pro in open on "sports TRT" unless again you're a genetic phenom in which case why even read this?


Insulin, whilst very anabolic in combination with HGH+AAS, is NOT a steroid.

You wrote about mTOR negatives from metformin but now you're telling people 200mg aspirin as an antiinflamatory and negatively messing with COX enzymes.

So you increased the doses here but why are you not telling them to grow in the offseason? Such a large difference.

Why are you prescribing such doses to people when there is very high variability in responses. You can read my thread explaining the basics of starting PEDs and response variation here: https://looksmax.org/threads/what-is-a-steroid-that-has-the-least-negatives.1176525/#post-17450821.

It's like telling every single person on this forum to get a certain list of surgeries which might work for some but might ruin others. Zero variation.

Someone can be aromatising way too much with high e2 and another guy has crashed e2 and you are writing them the same thing. Why? Just be honest and transparent and don't write these step-by-step "guides" which will just mess people up and tell them that this is an individual process and how to make better decisions with PED choice and protocol design.

I first read your insulin/hgh thread today and it was somewhat misleading and I stopped reading early on. Now I am responding and reading this thread. I'm assuming you haven't taken any of this stuff in the manner you've described and haven't tried high dose HGH with high dose AAS and yet you are writing about this stuff as if you have experience or some insight into them. You don't. This is probably doing more harm than good. Stick to writing about your experiences with various compounds instead of writing misleading hypothetical guides.

I don't mean to be disrespectful or rude, but I don't think you have any business posting this sort of thing yet.
Im gonna write a new thread
This thread was one of my first ones
Of course im not gonna be as knowledgeable as i am now
 
Why you should NOT follow this thread:




31868813:

8 week study.

"Twenty-seven healthy men (27.2 6 7.1 years [range 19–31 years];height 5 176 6 6.1 cm; total body mass 5 80.6 6 6.5 kg; RT experience 5 40.2 6 13.2 months [mean 6 SD; range 24–120months]; RT frequency 5 4.9 6 0.9 session per week) volunteered to participate in this study. The sample size was justified by a priori power analysis based on a pilot study, where the vastus lateralis MT was assessed as the outcome measure with a target effect size (ES) difference of 0.75, an alpha level of 0.05, and a power (12b) of 0.80 (7). All subjects were resistance-trained; performing RT on a minimum of 3 days per week for at least 1year at the university’s RT gym. All subjects regularly performed(minimum frequency of once a week) all exercises used in the training intervention and in the strength tests for at least 1 year before entering the study."

So it is unlikely that these people are advanced lifters capable of executing at failure. Nor, will they incur the same CNS fatigue from training with higher volumes that people with higher levels of muscle mass will because they will be moving significantly smaller loads and incurring significantly less (per set) damage, stress, fatigue etc... however, they will still be accumulating far more of the above (exaggerated further by the calcium ion accumulation from your SMH component) relative to if they did a lower volume, rested longer and actually trained hard and produced more force per set (experienced more m-tension per set).

"8–10 maximum repetitions (RM) with 60 seconds of rest afforded between sets and 120-second rest between exercises." So they're also nowhere near recovered in between sets to approach high levels of MUR and therefore not training the muscle that hard or close to MUSCULAR failure. This confirms what I already guessed in the paragraph above. These participants are not training with maximal force and MUR, therefore not experiencing the greatest amount of m-tension (which is what you want) and are needlessly generating fatigue and they don't even compare this to the alternative low volume approach.

"All sets were conducted to the point of momentary concentric muscular failure, operationally defined as the inability to perform another concentric repetition while maintaining adequate form. The external load (kg)was adjusted for each exercise, as needed, on successive sets to ensure that subjects achieved failure in the target repetition range. The cadence of repetitions was conducted in a controlled fashion, with concentric and eccentric actions of approximately 1.5 seconds, for total repetition duration of approximately 3 seconds"

Ok where's the slowing contractile velocity indicating proximity to failure? Each new piece of information confirms what I already guessed just from reading the title or soon after.

Bad study as this is not comparing high volume school to the typical myofibrillar HIT school (Chris Beardsley, JP, etc..) but comparing high volume to doing the same sort of high volume training but with just less volume instead of switching it to the actual MUR-based, muscular failure HIT low volume approach.

Not reading the other ones, since if you didn't put in the effort to analyse one of them, I'm not going to put in the effort to analyse all of them.



High volume + non-failure training + not maximising MUR and mechanical tension + SMH overemphasis.
Training for calcium ion maximisation?




Just doing so much to minimise hypertrophy and maximise calcium ion accumulation. Might as well do 52 sets a session to 10+ RIR with cardio tier rests if you're going in that direction. FB with high frequency too. No one large/strong enough to be an IFBB pro is going to execute on this at failure and grow (unless you're using that very flawed definition of failure from the study, which isn't actually indicative of muscular failure, and have Phil Heath or Paul Dillett genetics and can grow doing whatever training you want, if that's the case, what do they need your thread for anyway, since it certainly isn't a very effective way of training?). Also how come in one part you are using studies (flawed ones, nonetheless) to justify your approach but when it comes to this you're not? Also I'm suspecting you are not actually training hard for a long time yourself and are not an advanced lifter because this would just naturally not be sensible to you.


You're not turning pro in open on "sports TRT" unless again you're a genetic phenom in which case why even read this?


Insulin, whilst very anabolic in combination with HGH+AAS, is NOT a steroid.

You wrote about mTOR negatives from metformin but now you're telling people 200mg aspirin as an antiinflamatory and negatively messing with COX enzymes.

So you increased the doses here but why are you not telling them to grow in the offseason? Such a large difference.

Why are you prescribing such doses to people when there is very high variability in responses. You can read my thread explaining the basics of starting PEDs and response variation here: https://looksmax.org/threads/what-is-a-steroid-that-has-the-least-negatives.1176525/#post-17450821.

It's like telling every single person on this forum to get a certain list of surgeries which might work for some but might ruin others. Zero variation.

Someone can be aromatising way too much with high e2 and another guy has crashed e2 and you are writing them the same thing. Why? Just be honest and transparent and don't write these step-by-step "guides" which will just mess people up and tell them that this is an individual process and how to make better decisions with PED choice and protocol design.

I first read your insulin/hgh thread today and it was somewhat misleading and I stopped reading early on. Now I am responding and reading this thread. I'm assuming you haven't taken any of this stuff in the manner you've described and haven't tried high dose HGH with high dose AAS and yet you are writing about this stuff as if you have experience or some insight into them. You don't. This is probably doing more harm than good. Stick to writing about your experiences with various compounds instead of writing misleading hypothetical guides.

I don't mean to be disrespectful or rude, but I don't think you have any business posting this sort of thing yet.
80 mg daily
Thsa 560 mg a week
More is not better
Especially in the off season where you should keep your organs intact for prep
 
How To get a Pro card :



(Contrairly too the previous thread this one i don’t give a fuck about your health all i care about is you staying alive and winning your pro card that supposing you have atleast slightly above average genetics (you’ll need 6/10 genetics) and have balls of steel and sheer fucking will



(Medical disclaimer : Do not do this protocol this thread doesn’t contain any Medical advice , i am not a doctor This thread is only for entertainment only if you truly Want to compete on stage this isn’t for beginners this is literally sacrificing your health i want do this cycle unless im 100% sure this is what i want to do for the rest of my life this is a Carear plan

Supposing you have atleast 1 year of steroid use under your belt you probably aware of the sude effects)



So their are 5 rules for you to aquire your pro card those are :



1)you should be 21 or older (Sorry your not jeff seid also shoutout to people who think that jeff seid is natural 😂😂😂 that mf was in the fucking mr olympia you dumbass ni….gerian political figure)



2)you should have 4-7 years of natty training on your belt with 1-2 years of enhanced training a good measure to value if you are ready or not is strenght go see if you have atleast advanced levels of strengh in key compound movement



3)you don’t have any major health issue if you already have issues (diabaetes heart kidney or liver complications ect…..) now that the gear would only make them worse or bine health problem like scholiosis or severe oestroporosis or have a low blood cell count basicaly being an average dude is actually being an above average dude 💀



4)have atleast slightly more than average genetics what i mean about that you have decent insertion you don’t find a problem eating a lot off food you rate of muscle growth seems normal your pr keep increasing week by week even if its 1 rep its still progress that all and your height is between (165 cm-188 cm anything taller or shorter than that you’ll have problem aesthetically speaking) and also you wnt to have atleast an average bideltoid of 48 cm which is strange knowing that arnold looked massive on photos while he had a 56 cm bideltoid 😂😂😂 while being a hipcel and have a desk or at home job that doesn’t stress you out

Thats pay you enough thatt you can affford this lifestyle .



The 5th rule would be at the end of the thread



So their will be 2 chapters with 4 phases



1)Training 🏋️‍♀️ 🚴

2)Gear 💉 and Supps 💊

3) Diet 🍖🥦



*1 Chapter* (off season)



  1. Training
So for training we we are going to Train with high volume so i know the litterature is mixed their studies showing high volume > low volume their studies that show that low volume > high volume its confusing but I’m just gonna go with high volume because everyone train that way and it kinda make more sense sorry

for the Mike mentzer&Dorian yates fans

(Souces:pmid:25546444/Pmid :31868813 /Pmid :30153194for the high volume keep in mind those study are on natty lifters so omagine the gains on gear 💀)



(Pmid: 20581041 Showing that low volume is effective than moderate volume)

Talking about Mike mentzer every set would be taken to failure 😄 because you can’t truly

Track Rpe also im sure all of you gymcels watches pumping iron documentary and their this scene we’re arnold say that the last reps of the set are the most anabolic reps of the reps well turn out ots true those reps are called myo-reps and those are the most anabolic reps of the set and that’s why low volume advocate ise something like rest-pause



fullbody workout 3-4x per week 1 day in 1 day

Off so why did i chose full body i know a lot of you are gonna say protein synthesis but protein synthesis is irrelevant when your on gear its mainly because Full body workout lower inhibits myostatin better than split workout and remember we wanna maximize everything even the slighest growth



So before we start i have to adress some things first training naturally is mush different from training on gear when training naturaly you should always seek so first :



1)you should always seek performance How strong you are will equal how big you are while when your on gear its start getting screwed because when your on gear you start responding to a variety of stimulus how mish weight in the bar is irrelevant the only thing that matter is the volume of mecjanical tens

ion applied to the muscle yes i know training strenght while on steroids is important but as not important as training strength while natural the reason behins it is helps with myonuclei in the muscle and also androgen receptors and with gear its gonna be mush more Op and also keep on track with your strength cause it help you see of you are losing muscle while on the cutting phase .



2)the stretch buy that i mean the full stretch of muscle like the pause at the end of the rep the stretch is no that important natty training because it wouldn’t help that mush you might lose 2.5-20 % (highly depending on the muscle or exercise) same for training on gear so why would i give attention to that is that because even the slightest amount of gains missed could make you lose you could literally as big as all the competitors in every muscle but be placed 5th because you left biceps is lacking its as brutal as what mention so we want to make sure that you don’t miss anything on the table that you use every pink twist every negative



3)the pump it works it just works for some reason pump workouts work in enhanced lifter (not in natty lifters you’ll be dumb to train with the pump as a natural lifter mainly because of

Nitrogen bs that im not gonna discuss right now because Nerddddd and also worst case scenario even if it not effective it show you if you have slept well eated well



So our full body will be like this :



Big muscle groups :

Compound movement from choice (1 set to failure in the 3-7 rep range)

(Note : the exercise you should chose shouldn’t Fry you Cns like Squats or Deadlift or ohp avoid those chose alternative like machine Compound variants of those same exercise ect……

Take stretch Isolation exercises (5 sets to failure in the 6-35 rep range and add in drop sets till’s you can’t literally lift anymore you shouldn’t exeed 10 drop sets)

Then a pump exercise to see if your not alteady pumped



So because im nice I’ll do examples of it but feel free to change the exercise :



Week 1) Monday:Full body 1

Tuesday : rest

Wednesday : Full body 2

Thursday : rest

Friday : Full body 1

Saturday : rest

Sunday : Full body 2



Week 2) Monday : rest

Tuesday : Full body 1

Wednesday : rest

Thursday : Full body 2

Friday : rest

Saturday : Full body 1

Sunday : rest



Week 3) Monday : Full body 2

Tuesday : rest

Wednesday : Full body 1

Thursday : rest

Friday : Full body 2

Saturday : rest

Sunday : Full body 1



Week 4) Monday : rest

Tuesday : Full body 2

Wednesday : rest

Thursday : Full body 1

Friday : rest

Saturday : Full body 2

Sunday : rest



Take the rest of the month (2-3 days depending in the months) at the exemption of february you take a whole week off

(Note : i Would like you in this protocol to always train in the same hours if you can its not mandatory just optimal) you aslo want to take a whole week off before training



Full Body 1 : Hack Squats (1 set to failure 3-7 reps )

Smith machine Rdl (1 set to failure 3-7 reps )

Bulgarian Split squats (1 set to failure 3-7 reps)

Wide grip Neutral Lat pull down (1 set to failure 3-7 reps)

Machine row (1 set to failure 3-7 reps range)

Incline Db bench press (1 set to failure 3-7 rep range)

Weighted Dips (1 set to gailure 3-7 reps)

Inverted grip Seated Cable row (1 set to failure 3-7 reps)

Seated Machine shoulder press (1 set to failure 3-7 reps)



Note: 5-10 min of rest period between exercise



Full body 2 : Leg extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Seated leg curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Leg press Calf raise 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Cable chest fly 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

Cable pull overs 5 sets (+multiple dropsets )

Smith machine shrugs 5 sets (+multiple dropsets sets)

Supinated 1 arm Cable preasher curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets sets)

Rope hammer curl 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Cable triceps extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Db triceps extension 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)

1 arm Cable lateral raise 5 sets (+multiple dropsets)



Note:rest period shouldn’t exceed 2 min in sets and 30 s in drop sets

The rep ranges are between 6-30 reps



Also at the end of the session do 30 min of low intinsity Cardio (130 bpm) that’s to help you with your hearth health and also help with blood pressure management

Not mandatory but you could also use the sauna with cold exposure just after for 15 min 3x per week for health benefits (do not do that you dont wanna end up like zyzz)



Yes ahhh thats painfully even looking at it give me the chills that not training that torture but don’t let anything make you forget your dream and why you are doing this for now



Now the moment everyone waiting for the fucking roids

Gear ⚙️ :

The base test duhhh

Testosterone enanthate 80 mg daily

(The reason of daily injection is to mitigate the risk the more frequent you inject the less side effects)

For the Oral :

Oxymethalone 100 mg with 20 mg tamoxifen only in Full body 1 day

Or

Oxandrolone 20 mg during the whole cycle



A lot of thing just overate liver toxicity and shit bitch its either your drugs are mess up or else its just placebo cause they literally literature of little girls in burned to the 3rd degree being prescribed high dose oxymethalone or oxandrolone for her to quickly heal from the damage were talking about an 8 year old using

20-50 mg anavar or using 100-150 mg Oxymethalone for like 6-12 months treatment without any liver or any basic health control



(Their is 2 options :

Either you take Nandralone with Something to control your estrogen (if you have family pattern boldness running in your family)

Or you take Primo or Masteron or Boldenone )



i. 80 mg Nandrolone propionate daily with Exemestane why exemestane cause its the safest estrogen blocker you’ll take so you just take exemestane you (do blood work to determine the dosage start with 12.5 mg if its not enough increase the dose) you can also Spam natural supplements to keep you estrogen in check I’ll show you how to that in the next thread )



ii. 80 mg drostanolone enanthate (i know what you will be telling me why Masteron in the off season its so androgenic and has metabolites that will fry my hair line the reason behind me taking Masteron is as you can see you only take anadrol only in Full body 1 days it might fuck your blood concentration levels i know that but anadrol and superdrol are popular to give you mystery gyno and you surely don’t want that to happen that why even put nolvadex with it (im scared of you having blood clots thats why the tamoxifen wasn’t daily) isn’t enought because anadrol has priority on the estrogen blocker pr some shit nahh anadrol is really the weirdest steroid by far also dont use fucking anadrol if you never used it for some reason its just anecdotal masteron metabolites block anadrol gyno that why

iii. 80 mg metenolone enanthate daily its a safe dht derivative literraly one of the safest steroids help you control your estrogen overall 10/10 steroid

iiii. 100 mg boldenone undelynecate daily its a testosterone derivative also but has estrogen blocking effect its also pretty safe its just harsh on your kidneys but you can bypass that when we skip to the health part over all 10/10 steroid



You can also mix them just have basic knowledge on steroids if i had the choice i would’ve sone that :

60 mg testosterone enanthate

30 mg Boldenone undelynecate

40 mg drostanolone enanthate

50 mg Oxymethalone on full body 1 days

With 20 mg tamoxifen

15 mg oxandrolone daily



For the Growth hormone i recommend using only 4 iu (you can go up to 8 iu if your a rich cell) and combine it with otherSecrataguogues and peptidds the reason behind it is that growth hormonz isnt just one type you need multiplz growth hormones and when you you injtct your pituitary stop producing them so using peptides and secreataguoges would be more interesting also too save up money 😂😂😂😂

So you have your 4-8 iu of hgh

Theen you’ll take with it 25 mg of mk 667

With 200 mcg of Cjc 295 No dac daily

And 200 mcg of ipamorelin

So next i would like to usee increlex as igf-1 but i know a lot od you wouldn’t know how to get it so will just use either with lr3 or Des (note you use igf-1 only in training days and if you use igf-1 des use it after your workout because its half time is so short) for the dosage its anything between 2-5 mg is a maximum daily

To avoid bubble gut some literraly feel their intestines growing while on igf-1 💀

(Don’t think hgh and igf-1 is a free ridee youll

The price off it later that shit is multiplying your chance of cancer)

Insulin : Really this is one of the phew steroids that can actually kill you up just can’t tall you exactly how mush to take its highly individual if you wanna take it feel free but do your fucking research insulin is no joke

Also you can add an angiotensin inhibitor of your choice



Also for you brain health you’ll be taking :

50 mg Modafinil pre workout that training is like torture so using dopamine will trick your brain into liking it



Also take 25 mg Dhea and 25 mg pregnolone cause you are going to be suppressed of the steroids your using natural neuro steroids so you wanna replace them





1 g of Semak with 1 g of Selank the reason bzhind using both of them is that like said before do to you frying your CNs with all those sets to failure you need something to help you fight that maybe you could recover physiologically but want psychologicaly so that’s why were using Semak and Selank



So know for the health supplements :



200 mg Aspirin to lower inflammation

500 mg Citrus bergamot dor your lipids and cholesterol(you could also use 5 mg Cardarine it has been shown to have good benefits also at that low of a dose don’t worry about cancer risk)

200 mg injecatble glutathione

250 mg Tudca take. multiple times throughout the day (take it with a meal)

500 mg Berberine for Blood sugar control take it just after your workout is finished

500 mg of Astrafaglus root for kidney health

Take 5-10 mg Cialis and do not use Telmisrtan only as a last resort at 40 mg cause if you already using telmisartan ow boy your pretty mush fucked basicaly



Legit Supplements: Creatine monohydrate 5g

L carnitine 2g

Not Mandatory stuff :

Yohimbine 5 g

Hcg 500 iu 3x per week (if you wanna be fertile or have balls 😂😂 but do not use it if your deca because 19 nors fucks anything related to fertility so byby lh and )







For the diet you’ll basically want to Bulk up



For you to compete you’ll need an ffmi of 29 at a very lean bf% (4-6% bf territory) so you’ll basicaly go on ana ffmi calculaor and see how big you are and how many lb should you add for you to get 30 ffmi why 30 and not 29 just in case their multiple factors that might scew ffmi like water retention ect…..

so worst case scenario you would be 28 which is literally golden era level then your gonna see how push you still have for your competition and divide the number of lb you need to achieve your goals and the time you need lets say as an example you have 30 weeks before competition and you now you need 14 weeks for the cutting phase so you have 16 weeks remained your currently and you now your lets say 203 lb at 12 % and you calculated that you need to be 240 lb at 20 % to have an ffmi of 30 then you’ll basicaly bulk up to 240 lb while making sure you do not exeed 20% bf (just don’t worry too mush the drugs are probably gonna make all the calories go to muscle trust me just don’t exceed your maintenance with 3000 calories godammit that stupid)So for the caloric Calculation i cant tell you nothing you can use one online



Now for the diet you’ll need yo be taking 2 g of protein /lb of bodyweight you onviously need more proteinthe studies of 1g are for natty lifters training with a split routine not someone enhanced training full body high intensity high volume heavy workout does it majestic any sense do you take ronnie coleman was eating 1g of protein /lb of bodyweight no (atleast 100 g of fat composing majority of it from Saturated fat for health reasons) and fill the rest with Carbs

For water intake you’ll need 3-5 L of Water depending on you go calculate how mush water your need per day on google (Water is anabolic)

(Note:take the majority of your carbs before your workout and after your workout those are the best moment to eat the maximum amount of carbs also you can take moderate dose of sugar in this program (do not exceed 100 g) just take it slightly before or after your workout id recommend chocolate because of epicatechin that lowers myostatin id also recommend your carb source to have a low glycemic index)



You’ll also wanna take 1 meal every 3 hours and you take with it 1 capsule and 1 soft gel of a reputabal multivitamin and fish oil with it

(Im sorry for not giving examples but for the diet part it’s extremely specific)



Now for the second part the cutting phase for the training

Full body 1) would be the same nothing will chnage in this part I’ll want you to maintain or slightly atleast the level of strength you had in your bulking phase also the rep range are gonna change to 5-7 reps

For Full body 2) Wouldn’t change except no more drop sets you’ll just drop the Volume to 2 sets with no drop sets this time you’ll want to maintain or increase the weight you were lifting

No more pump just performance alone

And you’ll replace the cardio with daily fasted 30 min HIIT cardio in the morning and your gonna remove Sauna if you were doing it before do you wanna end up like zyzz



Gear 💉 💊 and Diet 🍖🥦 :



So week 14-10 : for Calories you’ll drop them buy -300 from your maintenance and for your Diet you’ll temporarily lower your fat intake to 60 g and your protein intake to 1g/lb of bodyweight and you will make most of your calories to Carbs you also gonna increase your water intake by 1L

So for the cycle nothing will change just the androgens and the HGH pathway gonna change also we’re gonna add more compounds and the supplements you were using in the first phase are still gonna be used in prep like creatine l carnitine yohimbine ect….

And you’ll add to that Cortisol inhibiting cycle

So it has two main reason behind it is to fet rid of visceral fat that number one and number two is to keep you in check from stress to keep you calm in prep knowing the competition is approashing day by day



Week 14-10 :

4 iu of Hgh

400 mg of test enanthate 2x per week (800 total)

250 mg of Equipose undelynecate (500 total)

Or

Nandrolone propionate (500 total)

(you choose i think your are already educated enough with all the information i gave you in the first section for you to start making some choices )

200 mg Drostanolone 2x per week (400 total)

Orals :

We have the choice between

Anadrol 50 mg daily

Or

Dbol 30 mg daily

With 30 mg anavar daily

And

20 mg nolvadex

With 1 mg arimdex every 3 days

50 mcg of T3

With 80 mcg of clenbuterol daily



So from what you read you already started to notice it started to get hard it started to get dark that why i was so obsessed to harm mitigate in the first section its like in a video game you have your health you don’t wanna lose your health on those easy ennemies you wanna let as mush health for the final boss

Basicaly You don’t wanna shoot at your legs from the first cycle if you start you using ment superdrol halotestin tren in the off season your health is already fucked before the prep



Now for week 10-6

Your gonna increase your fat intake and protein back to what it was and fill the rest of your calories with carbs your also gonna make your water intake the same it was before

Your gonna be using 6 iu of hgh

400 mg of testosterone enanthate 2x per week (800 mg total)

300 mg Boldenone undelynecate 2x per week

(600 mg total)

200 mg Drostanolone enanthate 2x per week

(400 mg total)

For the Oral don’t change anything just add on top of it Mastetolone at 50 mg and remove the oxandrolone

Take 20 mg tamoxifen daily

And take 1 mg arimidex every 3x/week

And 80 mcg of clenbuterol



Week 6-4 : so for the diet your gonna be eating half of your maintenance calories you’ll be eating 1g of protein/lb of Bw and 60 g of fats and fill the rest with carbs :

Your gonna be using :

6 iu of hgh

200 mg testosterone propionate daily (1400 mg total)

100 mg trenbolone acetate daily (700 mg total)

100 mg Drostanolone propionate (700 mg total)

100 mg methenolone enanthate (700 mg total)

250 mg Sustanon 2x/ week (500 mg total)

75 mg injectable stranazol daily

Orals :

50 mg oxandrolone

50 mg masterolone

1 mg arimidex daily

80 mcg clenbuterol

50 mcg T3



Week 4-2 : You remove Full body 1 because of the stranazol who will fuck up your joint you’ll basically now do full body 2 everyday and also because of the incoming fatigue replace daily fasted Hiit with regular low intinsity Cardio for 15 min daily)

your gonna try to lower your carb as mush as possible try to avoid carbs your carbs intake shouldn’t exeed 100 g your gonna have your usual 60 g of fats to live and fill the rest of your calories with protein

For the gear nothing changed

Week 2-1)Nothing change

Exept the dose increase

You know use 165 mg test propionate instead of 150 mg and use 100 mg stranazol instead of 50 mg your also gonna use 100 mg masterolone instead off 50 mg your also gonna use 70 mg oxandrolone instead off 50 mg your also gonna add in 30 mg halotestin



Week 0-1)So for the Diet nothing change just the water intake youll double your original water intake for the first 3 days then your gonna divide your water intake buy 2 and for the gear your gonna go off all the injectable and go to the competition with only oral you would also cut off the orals 24 h exactly before the competition and you should also add in a diuretic called furosemide at dose of 80 mg with 100 mg Dnp with 20 mg tadalfil you Should basicaly stop training at all at this point youll also wanna add to let your body recover also if you were working ill higly suggest that you take that week off as vacation before the competition also make sure if you didn’t already to tell someone to come see you perform also double the dose off anti stress supplements to fight the stress i know your not gonna take my advice evem if its a little bitch go confess to one you know would understand you and tell them how scared you are so they could confort you aslo because of the lack of energy i would like you too Drink tons of coffee also you should go getting tanned duhhh exept if your black then not mandatory but the night before the Olympia you would take multiple shots of Vodka before bed till you collapse 😂😂😂 to dry you off even further

So the day off the competition you would take 50 mg of propanolol and 5 mg of diazepam

Upon rising you are going to go to the mr olympia fasted then 6 hours before the show i want you to eat as mush Carbs as you possibly with a 5 L of water bottle that you’ll drink entirely before the olympia can everything that you dreamed off eating before the olympia take it also bring with you Resistance band so you can catch a pump 30 min before the competition also you’ll basicaly take the pre workout supplements you take before your full body workouts for the pump and add to that 150 mg of Anadrol then yes that pretty mush it if you didn’t get your pro card bro i don’t know what will but i already know you’ll never give up and you’ll probably gonna try next year but I’ll advise you to take 1 year off to let yoyr body recover while on trt and keep training somewhat hard just to maintain some muscle then after the year off try again .





Thanks for reading

Also not implicated its just me trying to Moneymaxx go check my Tiktok:Testogeneration I’ll be posting regularly their



Also about Rule number 5 : its discipline how bad do you want how hungry you are for that card how mush are you ready to sacrifice compared to the other competitors.



Well thats it for this thread I’ll live you with griffith quote : “There is one thing i can do gor them is to Win and keep winning until i attain my dream my dream is already Speared with blood i don’t regret i would rather Sacrifice myself than watch any more innocent child die in the name of my name”
If you aren’t willing to sacrifice your life for Mr Olympia then you aren’t ready and won’t do it case closed
 
Why you should NOT follow this thread:




31868813:

8 week study.

"Twenty-seven healthy men (27.2 6 7.1 years [range 19–31 years];height 5 176 6 6.1 cm; total body mass 5 80.6 6 6.5 kg; RT experience 5 40.2 6 13.2 months [mean 6 SD; range 24–120months]; RT frequency 5 4.9 6 0.9 session per week) volunteered to participate in this study. The sample size was justified by a priori power analysis based on a pilot study, where the vastus lateralis MT was assessed as the outcome measure with a target effect size (ES) difference of 0.75, an alpha level of 0.05, and a power (12b) of 0.80 (7). All subjects were resistance-trained; performing RT on a minimum of 3 days per week for at least 1year at the university’s RT gym. All subjects regularly performed(minimum frequency of once a week) all exercises used in the training intervention and in the strength tests for at least 1 year before entering the study."

So it is unlikely that these people are advanced lifters capable of executing at failure. Nor, will they incur the same CNS fatigue from training with higher volumes that people with higher levels of muscle mass will because they will be moving significantly smaller loads and incurring significantly less (per set) damage, stress, fatigue etc... however, they will still be accumulating far more of the above (exaggerated further by the calcium ion accumulation from your SMH component) relative to if they did a lower volume, rested longer and actually trained hard and produced more force per set (experienced more m-tension per set).

"8–10 maximum repetitions (RM) with 60 seconds of rest afforded between sets and 120-second rest between exercises." So they're also nowhere near recovered in between sets to approach high levels of MUR and therefore not training the muscle that hard or close to MUSCULAR failure. This confirms what I already guessed in the paragraph above. These participants are not training with maximal force and MUR, therefore not experiencing the greatest amount of m-tension (which is what you want) and are needlessly generating fatigue and they don't even compare this to the alternative low volume approach.

"All sets were conducted to the point of momentary concentric muscular failure, operationally defined as the inability to perform another concentric repetition while maintaining adequate form. The external load (kg)was adjusted for each exercise, as needed, on successive sets to ensure that subjects achieved failure in the target repetition range. The cadence of repetitions was conducted in a controlled fashion, with concentric and eccentric actions of approximately 1.5 seconds, for total repetition duration of approximately 3 seconds"

Ok where's the slowing contractile velocity indicating proximity to failure? Each new piece of information confirms what I already guessed just from reading the title or soon after.

Bad study as this is not comparing high volume school to the typical myofibrillar HIT school (Chris Beardsley, JP, etc..) but comparing high volume to doing the same sort of high volume training but with just less volume instead of switching it to the actual MUR-based, muscular failure HIT low volume approach.

Not reading the other ones, since if you didn't put in the effort to analyse one of them, I'm not going to put in the effort to analyse all of them.



High volume + non-failure training + not maximising MUR and mechanical tension + SMH overemphasis.
Training for calcium ion maximisation?




Just doing so much to minimise hypertrophy and maximise calcium ion accumulation. Might as well do 52 sets a session to 10+ RIR with cardio tier rests if you're going in that direction. FB with high frequency too. No one large/strong enough to be an IFBB pro is going to execute on this at failure and grow (unless you're using that very flawed definition of failure from the study, which isn't actually indicative of muscular failure, and have Phil Heath or Paul Dillett genetics and can grow doing whatever training you want, if that's the case, what do they need your thread for anyway, since it certainly isn't a very effective way of training?). Also how come in one part you are using studies (flawed ones, nonetheless) to justify your approach but when it comes to this you're not? Also I'm suspecting you are not actually training hard for a long time yourself and are not an advanced lifter because this would just naturally not be sensible to you.


You're not turning pro in open on "sports TRT" unless again you're a genetic phenom in which case why even read this?


Insulin, whilst very anabolic in combination with HGH+AAS, is NOT a steroid.

You wrote about mTOR negatives from metformin but now you're telling people 200mg aspirin as an antiinflamatory and negatively messing with COX enzymes.

So you increased the doses here but why are you not telling them to grow in the offseason? Such a large difference.

Why are you prescribing such doses to people when there is very high variability in responses. You can read my thread explaining the basics of starting PEDs and response variation here: https://looksmax.org/threads/what-is-a-steroid-that-has-the-least-negatives.1176525/#post-17450821.

It's like telling every single person on this forum to get a certain list of surgeries which might work for some but might ruin others. Zero variation.

Someone can be aromatising way too much with high e2 and another guy has crashed e2 and you are writing them the same thing. Why? Just be honest and transparent and don't write these step-by-step "guides" which will just mess people up and tell them that this is an individual process and how to make better decisions with PED choice and protocol design.

I first read your insulin/hgh thread today and it was somewhat misleading and I stopped reading early on. Now I am responding and reading this thread. I'm assuming you haven't taken any of this stuff in the manner you've described and haven't tried high dose HGH with high dose AAS and yet you are writing about this stuff as if you have experience or some insight into them. You don't. This is probably doing more harm than good. Stick to writing about your experiences with various compounds instead of writing misleading hypothetical guides.

I don't mean to be disrespectful or rude, but I don't think you have any business posting this sort of thing yet.
Didn’t try
Hgh for than 1-4 iu eith petides saw immediate results then its stopped (i take it only for heighmaxxing purposes now)
Used only lantus insulin at 30 iu (so results)
 
If you aren’t willing to sacrifice your life for Mr Olympia then you aren’t ready and won’t do it case closed
Nigga this thread is just to get a pro card
 
Nigga this thread is just to get a pro card
Fucking up your body just for a pro card is stupid and because it’s already fucked you should pursue it to mr Olympia so your name will live on and build a legacy rather than being know by 100 people as the roided guy.
 
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would doing arms neck legs and core all on the same day but spaced out count as full body or does it have too be compound exercise?
 
would doing arms neck legs and core all on the same day but spaced out count as full body or does it have too be compound exercise?
Do whyv you want don’t copy me
 
thats what i was planning to do before i knew you existed im not copying you just wondering if that counts as full body
 
(you’ll need 6/10 genetics) and have balls of steel and sheer fucking will
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