Colonialism saved Africa.

[sandcelmuttcel]

they don't understand that if they are gonna argue that egyptians were white, they will have to do the same for northern nubians jfl

northern sudanese and southern egyptians were very similar in terms of craniofacial structure

"we" didn't say they were white
on the other hand this user you are quoting were saying some of them looked eastern european if i'm not mistaken

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

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early egyptians are consistently closest to nubians and eritreans, groups which are sub saharan

egyptians are proven to have middle eastern roots
check my posts above

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

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bro northen europeans catched up
africans didn't

 

[hairyballscel]

bro northen europeans catched up
africans didn't

Most sub Saharan Africans don’t live like that jfl at even having to say this tbh

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Most sub Saharan Africans don’t live like that jfl at even having to say this tbh

no i don't mean right now
i mean pre slavery times

 

[hairyballscel]

why are you acting as if the non subsahara african admixture in egyptians didn't play a role in the being more advanced

Lol, explain how this works? Ancient Egyptian culture, religion, state and kingship all originated in the south, a region known to be more affiliated biologically with Sudanese, Eritreans, Somalis, the northern regions saw more migration from the levant, but these regions didn’t develop like the south did

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

Lol, explain how this works? Ancient Egyptian culture, religion, state and kingship all originated in the south, a region known to be more affiliated biologically with Sudanese, Eritreans, Somalis, the northern regions saw more migration from the levant, but these regions didn’t develop like the south did

ok bro
why was advanced civilization(and one of the first civilizations) only found in a region where scientists have found the dna to be non african (even partly)

 

[hairyballscel]

ok bro
why was advanced civilization(and one of the first civilizations) only found in a region where scientists have found the dna to be non african (even partly)

This is a stupid argument

African dna is higher in Mediterranean’s than Northern Europeans, so why are the first European civilisations consistently carriers of African dna

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

This is a stupid argument

African dna is higher in Mediterranean’s than Northern Europeans, so why are the first European civilisations consistently carriers of African dna

you are talking about ev13 which originated in north africa and has nothing to do with sub saharan africa
first civilization was the sumerian which were genetically middle eastern

 

[sandcelmuttcel]

let's just settle this debate by saying the egyptians were genetically north african plus middle eastern. still has nothing to do with sub saharan africa

 

[Alexanderr]

Thread filled with autistic rambling.

 

[Dorado]

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This is in sub Saharan Africa bro I just had to type in African cities

What are you trying to prove? Everyone knows every country has cities in it. That's pretty obvious.
If they didn't, it wouldn't be a country, it would just be an agglomeration of tribes with no central power whose territory would quickly get absorbed into a neighboring nation.

What OP said is that, without outside influence, Africa would still have no technology whatsoever, and that even after technology was introduced, many communities still live in shitty stone age conditions to this day. Both statements are true.

 

[hairyballscel]

you are talking about ev13 which originated in north africa and has nothing to do with sub saharan africa
first civilization was the sumerian which were genetically middle eastern

Nope, west African variants of sickle cell exist in Southern Europe, also some L lineages of sub Saharan origin

 

[Jagged0]

Op is retarded colonialism rarely benefited the actual people colonized they were primary used to extract resources the colonizing countries would do the bare minimum to make it easier to transport resources not to mention the way Africa was carved up is like merging turkey and Greece fierce enemies into one country with diverse ethnic as well as religious groups.

I can also confirm that Nubia was not some backwards country they were orthodox people with large Roman influences in their country and strong archers which allowed them to defeat the caliphate in their invasion.

Thirdly Egypt and Nubia were siblings they shared religion as well as culture the people intermingled often in fact Egypt even had a police force composed of Nubians.
Medjay

Description
Medjay was a demonym used in various ways throughout ancient Egyptian history to refer initially to a nomadic group from Nubia and later as a generic term for desert-ranger police.

we even have dna evidence of a nubian high priest I’m not quite sure of the intense desire to paint medieval Africa as all tribals living in huts as well when they had castles like this

until the industrialized British attacked.
Most of the world during the Victorian era was not living in cities and such with modern day things we take for granted even Russia was still a weird mixture between feudal and industrial.

 

[Deleted member 5802]

What are you trying to prove? Everyone knows every country has cities in it. That's pretty obvious.
If they didn't, it wouldn't be a country, it would just be an agglomeration of tribes with no central power whose territory would quickly get absorbed into a neighboring nation.

What OP said is that, without outside influence, Africa would still have no technology whatsoever, and that even after technology was introduced, many communities still live in shitty stone age conditions to this day. Both statements are true.

But Africa was doing extremely well for itself without influence jfl read the thread I’ve listed off successful African kingdoms

 

[Deleted member 13226]

Egypt was an African civilization ancient Egypt was an African nation and genetics wise Egyptians are Africans

least delusional afrocentrist

 

[Deleted member 5802]

also i must add

That’s debunked because certain slaves was chosen and picked because of their agricultural knowledge in the Americas like sengal and others like it. If the Africans didn’t have an advanced understanding of agriculture why did the Europeans request certain slaves who knew how to do these things. The article does a lot of assuming with no evidence. The slave trade because Africans main Business because the demand of slave labor was so high in the Americas

 

[Deleted member 5802]

least delusional afrocentrist

It’s true because we have dna Evidence to support this. Egypt was an African civilization not a middle eastern civilization. Africa doesn’t always mean black

 

[Deleted member 5802]

also i must add

“The African continent had been part of successive economic world systems for more than 4000 years (Fuller, 2003; Mitchell, 2005). The Eurasian transition to a monetary economy from the early first millennium BCE increased the demand in the Mediterranean and Middle East for gold, silver and copper (Dowler & Galvin, 2011). Several trans-Saharan trade routes connected SSA with the Mediterranean and the Middle East (Figure 2). Oases and wetter highlands were used as staging posts, such as in south-east Mauritania and the Fazzan Valley in south-western Libya (Ross, 2011). Navigable waterways (such as the Nile, Niger and Volta Rivers) became part of extensive regional networks, converging on important centres such as Kumasi (the capital of the Ashanti Empire) and Timbuktu (Njoh, 2008). Timber and gold from western Africa were taken north, and salt, horses, dates and camels were transported south. Great wealth was accumulated locally, which supported agricultural development, for example cotton and textile production and other cottage industries supplied the traders (Mattingly, 2017). In the fifteenth century, the societies on the African west coast and its hinterland consisted of hundreds of small political units organized around lineage groups. These societies were very different from those of the manufacturing and trading centres of the interior, such as Kumbi Saleh, Niani, Timbuktu, Djenné, Gao and Kano (Inikori, 2003).”

keep coping

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07900627.2020.1739512

Figure 2. Pre-colonial trade.

 

[Deleted member 5802]

It brought pretty much all technological advancement to Africa, without which they would be millennia behind Europe (and to a lesser degree, Asia)

but also it started giant amounts of ethnic group conflict from racial borders and completely subjugated them. Despite being underdeveloped, I’d wager that most Africans would prefer being left alone lol. Plus any Europeans who complain about immigration but also support imperialist colonialism are very hypocritical since it was the primary cause.

Not really the Africans would had developed the same way without the slave trade. Benin, the Mali empire, Ethiopia, all had the potential to industrial and they were heading that direction. Without European colonism the process will be slower but it will Eventually happen especially having more secure boarders. Before the slave trade and Africans were equal to that to Eurasian societies why do you think it took 500 years to conquer west Africa. Europeans really invaded the good parts in Africa with ww1 weapons and bombs and an influx of men while all the working men in Africa who could had done the same were sold into the slave trade

 

[hairyballscel]

What OP said is that, without outside influence, Africa would still have no technology whatsoever, and that even after technology was introduced, many communities still live in shitty stone age conditions to this day. Both statements are true.

funny how southern europe developed out of contact with egypt and sumeria, greeks themselves admit to learning a ton from the egyptians, but either way, 99% of human civilisations developed due to human contact, this isnt particular to africa

pre colonial africa was home to many civilisations, axum, kerma, kush, swahili coast, mali, ghana etc...

 

[lutte]

The problem is the slave trade depleted the men in Africa so industrialization was impossible. Arabs never conquered west Africa but it took 500 years for Europeans to conquer Africa. Africans were not selling their own people enemy kingdoms

jfl it took like 20 years for europeans to conquer all of africa, before the late 1800s there never was a reason to seriosuly try and even then african colonies were mostly unprofitable

 

[hairyballscel]

Mummy DNA unravels ancient Egyptians’ ancestry - Nature

Genetic analysis reveals a close relationship with Middle Easterners, not central Africans.

www.nature.com

Genetic analysis reveals a close relationship with Middle Easterners, not central Africans.

The tombs of ancient Egypt have yielded golden collars and ivory bracelets, but another treasure — human DNA — has proved elusive. Now, scientists have captured sweeping genomic information from Egyptian mummies. It reveals that mummies were closely related to ancient Middle Easterners, hinting that northern Africans might have different genetic roots from people south of the Sahara desert.

jfl don't cite a paper you haven't read, its clear you don't really understand it

 

[Deleted member 5802]

jfl it took like 20 years for europeans to conquer all of africa, before the late 1800s there never was a reason to seriosuly try and even then african colonies were mostly unprofitable

Not really it was an effort by the Portuguese in the 1500s but they failed so in a hundred years tried again failed again. The mid to late 1800s and early 20th Century was when Africa was conquered

 

[lutte]

Not really it was an effort by the Portuguese in the 1500s but they failed so in a hundred years tried again failed again. The mid to late 1800s and early 20th Century was when Africa was conquered

what bro, the portuguese colonies were mostly trading colonies just by the coast and stops on the way to india
apparently they tried to take over gold mines in zimbabwe but didn't bother after the local kingdom collapsed
originally south africa was the same, just a stop on the way to the east

 

[Deleted member 6273]

What are you trying to prove? Everyone knows every country has cities in it. That's pretty obvious.
If they didn't, it wouldn't be a country, it would just be an agglomeration of tribes with no central power whose territory would quickly get absorbed into a neighboring nation.

What OP said is that, without outside influence, Africa would still have no technology whatsoever, and that even after technology was introduced, many communities still live in shitty stone age conditions to this day. Both statements are true.

It's been less than a hundred years or even less most countries got independence like 60 years ago, the boundaries drawn during the partition for Africa were extremely problematic and are the primary source of conflict between countries at the moment, also no even in remote rural areas almost no one lives in stone age conditions except communities which willingly choose to.

 

[volcelfatcel]

It's been less than a hundred years or even less most countries got independence like 60 years ago, the boundaries drawn during the partition for Africa were extremely problematic and are the primary source of conflict between countries at the moment, also no even in remote rural areas almost no one lives in stone age conditions except communities which willingly choose to.

man I feel like you are not black, and larping as something else
too high iq

 

[lutte]

It's been less than a hundred years or even less most countries got independence like 60 years ago, the boundaries drawn during the partition for Africa were extremely problematic and are the primary source of conflict between countries at the moment, also no even in remote rural areas almost no one lives in stone age conditions except communities which willingly choose to.

even in SA which is supposed to be the most advanced and where they have whiteys they can unite against they all the zulus are chimping now because Zuma or some shit

 

[wannaimprove]

we wuz kings and shieeeet

 

[Deleted member 6273]

even in SA which is supposed to be the most advanced and where they have whiteys they can unite against they all the zulus are chimping now because Zuma or some shit

lmao at thinking all that shit was for Zuma it was just an excuse for them to loot and riot, SA blacks have a very similar mentality to American blacks cause of how the apartheid system operated, they are notorious for commiting xenophobic attacks/murders on other blacks from different parts of Africa cause they believe they are taking their jobs.

 

[lutte]

lmao at thinking all that shit was for Zuma it was just an excuse for them to loot and riot, SA blacks have a very similar mentality to American blacks cause of how the apartheid system operated, they are notorious for commiting xenophobic attacks/murders on other blacks from different parts of Africa cause they believe they are taking their jobs.

ik

 

[Deleted member 5802]

lmao at thinking all that shit was for Zuma it was just an excuse for them to loot and riot, SA blacks have a very similar mentality to American blacks cause of how the apartheid system operated, they are notorious for commiting xenophobic attacks/murders on other blacks from different parts of Africa cause they believe they are taking their jobs.

It’s a shame really but the blacks you see in America and South Africa are very similar. That mentality was brought about on how the whites used to treat them, then they get surprised that the blacks in South Africa start wanting revenge. Apartheid lasted in the 90s

 

[animo123]

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I like how Eurocentric has been used by liberals to mask reality. It’s not a Eurocentric view, the ancient Egyptians who built the pyramids were more similar to Macedonians than other black sub Saharan Africans. It’s evident in their art, skeletal remains and culture. It’s insane how people won’t admit that.

tf is this bs lol
The ancient egyptians as we know them didnt even build the pyramids jfl
They were inherited by them
The stones used to build the pyramids and obelisks etc came from 100s of miles away and yet the egyptians didnt even have the wheel yet

 

[Deleted member 5802]

man I feel like you are not black, and larping as something else
too high iq

It’s called having common sense

 

[animo123]

Egypt was a multi racial society you could find black Egyptians and you could also find Egyptian would could had pass as Eastern European
Is it coincidence that the African culture with levant admixture was the most advanced, unlikely.

what era are you talking about
the egyptians were around for 3000 years
the time of cleopatra is when the influx of the greeks and romans came
before that the egyptians where nubian and eastern african looking and they shared the same religion with the nubians also
You need to be more specific
Cleopatra is closer to us in time than the beginning and middle part of the egyptian dynasties

 

[animo123]

no bro the super powers of that time saw the pyramids as a prize the nubians didnt have such things

nubians had pyramids
just nowhere near as impressive

 

[MostGLSlayer]

Indeed, Only weak nations get colonized, imagine speaking your conquerors language and adapting their culture cause your ancestors were pounded in the asshole.

 

[Deleted member 5802]

nubians had pyramids
just nowhere near as impressive

The pyramids in Nubia served a different purpose than that in Egypt

 

[lutte]

Indeed, Only weak nations get colonized, imagine speaking your conquerors language and adapting their culture cause your ancestors were pounded in the asshole.

like the irish

 

[animo123]

The pyramids in Nubia served a different purpose than that in Egypt

yeah i think they were tombs and no ones knows the purpose of the egyptian ones

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Indeed, Only weak nations get colonized, imagine speaking your conquerors language and adapting their culture cause your ancestors were pounded in the asshole.

That’s like every nation ever tbh Europeans in the past were considered the same way as people consider sub Saharans. You can’t always be great forever that’s why Europe is getting invaded by nonwhites and soon Europe will resemble a Middle Eastern/ African nation

 

[MostGLSlayer]

The best Modern African cities still aint got shit compared to a mid level cities in developed countries.
Jfl they can’t even compare to South American cities like Sao Paolo

 

[MostGLSlayer]

That’s like every nation ever tbh Europeans in the past were considered the same way as people consider sub Saharans. You can’t always be great forever that’s why Europe is getting invaded by nonwhites and soon Europe will resemble a Middle Eastern/ African nation

Yeah alot of nations were conquered but at least they preserved their language and culture or revert back to it eventually. They weren’t absolutely enslaved that they have to abide to their conquerors ways for good.

 

[DesperadoRatado]

sub saharan africa entered the iron age before europe

Archaeological investigations at the prehistoric iron smelting site of Lejja, Nigeria, made possible the study of some large scale iron smelting debris – evidence of a once thriving iron smelting community. The main village squarein Lejja, contains over 800 slag blocks weighing between 34 and 57 kg. Furnaces, tuyères and slag are visible on the surfacein many places. The site has been radiocarbon dated to approximately 2000 BC
- Iron and its influence on the prehistoric site of Lejja

africans are the home continent to humans, we are talking about milleniums of advantage here to native africans

when you take human migrations into account, europeans developed WAY QUICKER.

 

[hairyballscel]

africans are the home continent to humans, we are talking about milleniums of advantage here to native africans

when you take human migrations into account, europeans developed WAY QUICKER.

its not like when humans migrated out of africa they would have lost all knowledge they acquired over time in africa, this argument is cope, it implies that human intelligence restarted or some shit lol

and either way, it doesnt matter how long a group has been in a place, khoisan people have been in southern africa for over 100,000 years and are still hunter gatherers, ethiopians/eritreans migrated into ethiopia/eritrea in the last 7,000 years and developed a kingdom that was considered a world superpower at its peak

the difference is ethiopians and eritreans had access to cows, goats, sheep, camels, great quality farmland, natural protection due to the nature of the ethiopian landscape, had easy trade routes due to being on the red sea coast etc.... southern africans had none of this shit, so they developed very little

 

[DesperadoRatado]

The best Modern African cities still aint got shit compared to a mid level cities in developed countries.
Jfl they can’t even compare to South American cities like Sao Paolo

they were built by europeans and chinese. Look at the funding behind modern cities of africa.

what era are you talking about
the egyptians were around for 3000 years
the time of cleopatra is when the influx of the greeks and romans came
before that the egyptians where nubian and eastern african looking and they shared the same religion with the nubians also
You need to be more specific
Cleopatra is closer to us in time than the beginning and middle part of the egyptian dynasties

what? how were they nubian looking when they depicted themselves diffrent?

egyptians are genetically coptic

 

[Deleted member 5802]

Yeah alot of nations were conquered but at least they preserved their language and culture or revert back to it eventually. They weren’t absolutely enslaved that they have to abide to their conquerors ways for good.

Uh they still have their customs and language what are you talking about bro?

 

[Deleted member 5802]

they were built by europeans and chinese. Look at the funding behind modern cities of africa.



what? how were they nubian looking when they depicted themselves diffrent?

egyptians are genetically coptic

Both groups are afro asatic they are the same people. Nigeria’s capital, Ghanans capital is built mostly by Africans

 

[DesperadoRatado]

its not like when humans migrated out of africa they would have lost all knowledge they acquired over time in africa, this argument is cope, it implies that human intelligence restarted or some shit lol

lol we are talking about 200 000 yearsago of the first modern day humans and human relatives dating back 350 000 years in africa

meanwhile yamnayas brought in the dominating european haplogroups, light skin, and blue eyes which they carried in their dna about
10 000 bce

not to mention europe was extremely harsh place to settle in

 

[DesperadoRatado]

Both groups are afro asatic they are the same people. Nigeria’s capital, Ghanans capital is built mostly by Africans

afro asiatic doesnt equal black....

berbers are afro asiatic and not black.