I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

[SubhumanityForce]

My nigga misc proves he is worth double of what he charges
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What a stupid autist misc is. He could slay if only he could lean max first. Very good nasal projection, very good forward growth in general, brows, lips. Mentalcel at its finest

 

[SubhumanityForce]

My bimax was 4mm and it looks great

I see 0 angularity at the gonion/mandible transition part.

 

[SubhumanityForce]

beard coming in nicely forgot about this forum tbh

Enjoy the underbite, dark witch moon face side profile look.

 

[SubhumanityForce]

My nigga misc proves he is worth double of what he charges
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Absolutely no. 4mm bsso to look like an underbite moon faced which tells you that je needed 0 advancement RELATIVE to his fave. (which was already projected at the nasion part, brow ridge, etc. 0 understanding of aesthetics and harmony, just mirin a long ass jaw (an unaesthetic and undefined jaw) like a neanderthal. Someone who's not leanmaxxed should be forbidden to do any kind of face surgery. Nothing unless you drop down to 15% body fat. When he lean maxxess, and starts observing people around him and what is attractive and what's not, he will beg Pagnoni to reset him to his factory settings.

 

[SubhumanityForce]

Did you see how I looked before

Yes. You looked fat but one could see you would look good once leanmaxxed. Now you are just an ogre slav as someone said. You might jawlengthmog most Chads and for no reason, because you went beyond what's harmonious. You didn't need a single mm of advancement at chin point, if you wanted you should just work on making those gonions more defined with a conservative yet significant implant, lose that fat and you were good to go. If you were still an autist, you should just do research about your pfl, or put a drop down supra to try to make hunter eyes. You never had any, any, any, any even minor, issues with the LENGTH of your mandible or chin. You literally went and spent money on one of the things that you were already very good and anything beyond that would make you an ork. You have a projected nasion, Roman style nice nose, projected brow ridge. Pretty much all set. Again, all you needed was to lose weight (and 1 or 2 minor implants if you wanted to go for details and "perfection"


Anything but to walk outside, right?

 

[SubhumanityForce]

They can do high cut leforts right? Like to the point where it's just above the bottom of your nose.

There's definitely a way

From a trannie subreddit where a trannie was asking a famous trannie surgeon about midface shortening (long midface is a bigger failio on women than men)

" initially asked if I could get 1cm+ reduction in my midface, not knowing the technical details of the surgery and only reading about it online. He paused for a bit and said that he could move the upper jaw up an excessive amount, even more than 1cm, but there's drawbacks to it. Apparently, when you move the upper jaw up too much it causes the skin in the midface to compress with folding and wrinkling and there really isn't a good way to correct this. In my case he said 5-6mm would be preferred."

The nasal cavity will always be somewhat of a limiting factor, but I think they can currently shorten the midface more than they usually do rn.

You can't just move upper jaw up without moving part of the nose up as well. You will end up with 1 philtrum assuming your lips will follow the jaw upwards. Also, even if somehow you push nose to go up (try lifting the back of your nostrils up and try breathing), you woudnt be able to breath. People who have longer noses TEND to have longer nasal bone. If they could cut there and remove apart, thay would actually do something. Otherwise, a ccw lefort 2

 

[kingofkings]

6 months and no results.

Seems like something has gone horribly wrong here.

 

[Yahya]

keep lurking fag @Ape101

 

[Yahya]

6 months and no results.

Seems like something has gone horribly wrong here.

he's still lurking

 

[Fairytale]

6 months and no results.

Seems like something has gone horribly wrong here.

The only thing in question is how horribly wrong it went. And will he try to sue Giant and/or surgeon.

 

[Deleted member 66828]

keep lurking fag @Ape101

prolly just doing mod duties

 

[Delissola]

6 months and no results.

Seems like something has gone horribly wrong here.

yeah,it's really annoying that he can't write a message here that at least briefly outlines how the process is going.And then he could not answer for several months again if it is so difficult for him

 

[Fairytale]

"Active today at 4:19 AM"

So we all can agree that he is lurking here like that

 

[Deleted member 55855]

yeah,it's really annoying that he can't write a message here that at least briefly outlines how the process is going.And then he could not answer for several months again if it is so difficult for him

this is why you dont get surgeries and only pray for better genes

 

[Delissola]

this is why you dont get surgeries and only pray for better genes

Giant seemed to mention that this guy was going to have a couple more operations.Perhaps they want to show the result after all the operations(bc only eyes result doesn’t look so cool)

 

[Delissola]

But in any case, they could at least say how long it would take to expect results.

 

[Delissola]

You expect meme surgeon with the pepe in the pfp to act professionally and transparently?

It is pretty obvious why they NEVER post any results. If you are good at something and have great results, then you naturally want it to reach as broad public as possible, beacuse it grows your business and not only the business. Patients blocking posting transformations is pure bullshit that only 5 year old can take seriously. No other serious and professional clinic is hiding their results for a fuckin' sake, let's be real.

They botch people who look after unrealistic results, have big self esteem and psychological issues and drain them from cash in some third word country. I really feel for this guy and really wonder where his parents was.

It's better to be hypothetically ugly but functional and relatively healthy rather than be crippled by some meme surgeon printing implants from photoshop beacuse you let them yourself butchered looking for unrealistic results from the very risky surgery.

This whole meme 'company' (???) should be liquidated just like Conceancig got his psycho ass kicked out.

He gives so much hope to many here. But there is still a chance that there will be results or at least some feedback from him

 

[optimisticzoomer]

You expect meme surgeon with the pepe in the pfp to act professionally and transparently?

It is pretty obvious why they NEVER post any results. If you are good at something and have great results, then you naturally want it to reach as broad public as possible, beacuse it grows your business and not only the business. Patients blocking posting transformations is pure bullshit that only 5 year old can take seriously. No other serious and professional clinic is hiding their results for a fuckin' sake, let's be real.

They botch people who look after unrealistic results, have big self esteem and psychological issues and drain them from cash in some third word country. I really feel for this guy and really wonder where his parents was.

It's better to be hypothetically ugly but functional and relatively healthy rather than be crippled by some meme surgeon printing implants from photoshop beacuse you let them yourself butchered looking for unrealistic results from the very risky surgery.

This whole meme 'company' (???) should be liquidated just like Conceancig got his psycho ass kicked out.

This guy's parents found out about it and wanted him to cancel it, but he went anyway, idk how in the end

 

[optimisticzoomer]

He gives so much hope to many here. But there is still a chance that there will be results or at least some feedback from him

It's false hope. And it's better to not have that. It's better to accept 'failos' (most people are retarded and body dysmorphic) and move on than try and fix stuff that can't be predictably corrected easily

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

It's false hope. And it's better to not have that. It's better to accept 'failos' (most people are retarded and body dysmorphic) and move on than try and fix stuff that can't be predictably corrected easily

You're over OBO?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

You're over OBO?

Yeah fuck that, I don't trust giant one bit icl

 

[Fairytale]

Giant is an absolute scam artist. Recently he FINALLY posted a scan of a jaw surgery that the surgeon followed with "good precision" according to his words.

You can see how the mandible was INSANELY asymmetrical. I'm talking bullshit level of asymmetry on a an SCAN. He didn't answer when I pointed it out.
You'd have to be insane to go to him.

You mean this one?

 

[LongForgotten]

@RealSurgerymax is basically silent for over 2 weeks lol. So much planning printing designed etc. just 4 such horrible outcome...

He's actually on vacation again, after already visiting Egypt and claiming to be back he's decided on seeing another country. This guy is just enjoying his quick profits and ignoring everyone it seems.

I know it's summer now, I get it, I really do. But please don't make false promises if you can't stay true to them. I have been waiting for like almost half a year now and I'm done, you lost a customer... @RealSurgerymax

 

[LongForgotten]

Giant is an absolute scam artist. Recently he FINALLY posted a scan of a jaw surgery that the surgeon followed with "good precision" according to his words.

You can see how the mandible was INSANELY asymmetrical. I'm talking bullshit level of asymmetry on a an SCAN. He didn't answer when I pointed it out.
You'd have to be insane to go to him.

On his insta?

 

[LongForgotten]

This guy's parents found out about it and wanted him to cancel it, but he went anyway, idk how in the end

Explains why he keeps his name and face so hidden everywhere...

 

[Alucard69]

It's false hope. And it's better to not have that. It's better to accept 'failos' (most people are retarded and body dysmorphic) and move on than try and fix stuff that can't be predictably corrected easily

Just because there aren't results posted doesn't mean the surgery itself didn't succeed. Not every surgery will ascend someone to godhood, and he wasn't a cyclopscel before surgery, so the IPD change itself won't do much

 

[Fairytale]

Just because there aren't results posted doesn't mean the surgery itself didn't succeed. Not every surgery will ascend someone to godhood, and he wasn't a cyclopscel before surgery, so the IPD change itself won't do much

I wish it was true but if its indeed the case then why OP is spending so much time lurking on this forum.

If you got such life changing results ur target of ascending is completed; why keep comming.

 

[Fairytale]

He's actually on vacation again, after already visiting Egypt and claiming to be back he's decided on seeing another country. This guy is just enjoying his quick profits and ignoring everyone it seems.

I know it's summer now, I get it, I really do. But please don't make false promises if you can't stay true to them. I have been waiting for like almost half a year now and I'm done, you lost a customer... @RealSurgerymax

Suspected that; although he claims he works all the time even during vacation lol.
Yesterday he posted update on his Lefort 2 case with skull, malar,supra etc. implants.
I also found one of his results on reddit

 

[LongForgotten]

This guy's parents found out about it and wanted him to cancel it, but he went anyway, idk how in the end

His post got deleted, I cant forward to it. I wonder why?

 

[optimisticzoomer]

His post got deleted, I cant forward to it. I wonder why?

Oh yeah lol

 

[NoFear]

Uppp, we need visibility with this and other cases like this one:


Because they just show that ascending just one tier is only possible if your skull has a good base.

 

[BlackpillRemedy]

I also found one of his results on reddit
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Strangely enough, this kid has a nevus (skin black spot) near his gonion in the after but not in the before…

And his ear, which is the trait that would aid the most in identifying him after surgery, has been covered in one of the pictures…

 

[SubhumanForever]

If its radio silence after making a post like this then its a botch

He is still posting, just not in this thread

 

[kingofkings]

Strangely enough, this kid has a nevus (skin black spot) near his gonion in the after but not in the before…

And his ear, which is the trait that would aid the most in identifying him after surgery, has been covered in one of the pictures…

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Holy crap. You're the first person who's noticed this and I think you may have a point. The more I look at both pics the more I realize these could just be 2 different people. His hair colour is different as well. And there is a second, fainter mole in the middle of his cheek in the after photo that you can't see in the before. There's not really any anchor points of similarity you can compare between the pictures because not only is the ear covered but so is the forehead. And we'd expect the chin, nose and jaw to change so we can't use those as a point of reference. Interesting.

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Strangely enough, this kid has a nevus (skin black spot) near his gonion in the after but not in the before…

And his ear, which is the trait that would aid the most in identifying him after surgery, has been covered in one of the pictures…

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Holy crap. You're the first person who's noticed this and I think you may have a point. The more I look at both pics the more I realize these could just be 2 different people. His hair colour is different as well. And there is a second, fainter mole in the middle of his cheek in the after photo that you can't see in the before. There's not really any anchor points of similarity you can compare between the pictures because not only is the ear covered but so is the forehead. And we'd expect the chin, nose and jaw to change so we can't use those as a point of reference. Interesting.

Not a nevus. Did you just learn about those?

It's a scab from the transbuccal trocar... obviously...

"When you hear hoofbeats think horses and not zebras"

 

[BlackpillRemedy]

Not a nevus. Did you just learn about those?

It's a scab from the transbuccal trocar... obviously...

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"When you hear hoofbeats think horses and not zebras"

Is the picture HD, blud?

Looks like a nevus, it’s odd that he looks this unswollen while still having a scab and you haven’t explained why his ear and forehead are hidden in the after

Also I was calling the dude out for larping that he had surgery but if you know it’s true and he actually did just get bro to post his side with the ear visible, that’s irrefutable evidence that he’s not larping

 

[LeonidasGui]

wheres the results?

 

[goo25]

wheres the results?

barrett stole them

 

[blackpill_enjoyer]

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

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Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






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All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

View attachment 2679753

Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


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Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


OBO edit:

Hi, may I ask you how much time did you to wait to get a consult? And how much, since the consult, to get the surgeries done?

 

[enriquecel]

Hi, may I ask you how much time did you to wait to get a consult? And how much, since the consult, to get the surgeries done

no point jus rope

 

[leonardd667]

puberty better hit me hard i dont wanna be cooked like this guy

 

[brutalpilled]

30k for accurate and meticulous 3d planning, titanium Periorbital implants that recontoured my entire upper and middle thirds + moving my eyes (which does a lot more for facial harmonisation than you realise)

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

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View attachment 2679860
Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






View attachment 2679699

All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

View attachment 2679753

Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


View attachment 2679773View attachment 2679629

Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

View attachment 2679761
https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

View attachment 2679762
https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


OBO edit:

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

View attachment 2679696View attachment 2679745View attachment 2679746View attachment 2679722View attachment 2679747



View attachment 2679860
Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






View attachment 2679699

All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

View attachment 2679753

Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


View attachment 2679773View attachment 2679629

Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


View attachment 2679777View attachment 2679778

Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

View attachment 2679761
https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

View attachment 2679762
https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


OBO edit:

Really late but did OBO make your eye area more uncanny? I just wanted to know, also did you see significant improvement in your UEE or just slight? I’m thinking about getting trimax so would it be safer to do this before trimax or after?

 

[xuzky]

It was about 30k usd including everything (Design, titanium implant manufacturing, surgery, hospital stay etc.)

Next up is bimax, genio and jaw angle implants. But, I’m also planning on getting a few soft tissue adjustments and potentially limb lengthening in the future.

Yes, the surgery was quite long by itself, it would be too dangerous to combine the two.

@Mando4 30k but not necessary for you you already very dimorphic and get good ipd

 

[RapeAllFemales]

It's fucking over I was hoping Giant could easily solve one of the ugliest failures which is the low ipd, but at this point I have to go to Derek Steinbacher and risk it like cosmic did with a high probability of being botched

 

[ripper]

@Mando4 30k but not necessary for you you already very dimorphic and get good ipd

why @ then

 

[BlackpillRemedy]

It's fucking over I was hoping Giant could easily solve one of the ugliest failures which is the low ipd, but at this point I have to go to Derek Steinbacher and risk it like cosmic did with a high probability of being botched

Bro is implying that going to a european surgeon is riskier than getting the surgery planned by a guy with NO credentials who just messes with the implant design program and getting the surgery done in fucking Turkey

I think you need to reevaluate your risk assessment brah

 

[NZb6Air]

NO credentials

no credentials for low iq, most doctors are retarded, someone more passionate and smarter about X topic is way more trustworthy in any realm

 

[italianmaxxer]

omg this is crazy, good for you man, i wuold like to have all this knowledge about surgeries too, i want to get cantoplasty, UEE reducetion and maybe something else. is there a way to improve eye spacing? mine are a lil bit too close

 

[Bart]

omg this is crazy, good for you man, i wuold like to have all this knowledge about surgeries too, i want to get cantoplasty, UEE reducetion and maybe something else. is there a way to improve eye spacing? mine are a lil bit too close

OBO is literally for eye spacing

 

[italianmaxxer]

OBO is literally for eye spacing

OBO can make easy closer not wider right?