I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

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idk bro more then 6 months and no after pictures anywhere. Not even a statement. Maybe it wasnt so great after all. Time will tell, just how much
 
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Devon said:
cope
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You can cope all you want with muh OBO but I've seen private results of Giant's OBO and it has the exact same problems with ICD that CosmicMaxxer has (even with Tripod combined). It also makes the eyes themselves very uncanny.

OP did not even have an IPD problem (going off of the ratios, at least) and decided to go with a high risk and low reward procedure.

But I don't know what to expect from some low IQ greycel going around promoting LeFort 3 and OBO unironically.
 
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zemult said:
You can cope all you want with muh OBO but I've seen private results of Giant's OBO and it has the exact same problems with ICD that CosmicMaxxer has (even with Tripod combined). It also makes the eyes themselves very uncanny.

OP did not even have an IPD problem (going off of the ratios, at least) and decided to go with a high risk and low reward procedure.

But I don't know what to expect from some low IQ greycel going around promoting LeFort 3 and OBO unironically.
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Ur in luck because if / when I manage to save up 50-60k you and everyone else can point and laugh at my public OBO results
 
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Acquiescence said:
Ur in luck because if / when I manage to save up 50-60k you and everyone else can point and laugh at my public OBO results
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My message here sums up the entire situation:

looksmax.org

OBO Update

I’ve been receiving a lot of DMs lately asking for updates on my orbital box osteotomy (OBO) results as well as general hardmaxxing advice. I’ve replied to many of you one on one, but I’m honestly tired of repeating the same points, so I’m putting it all here. 1. Surgical Journey As I’ve said...
looksmax.org looksmax.org

It's really sad honestly, I am personally under the opinion he was botched, although I want to think differently. It's going on 2 years now, not a single result, and the other Giant OBO results I've seen are just simply not great and don't look natural. Also according to the "ratios" he posted here, he wasn't even a worthy candidate for OBO? Just seems like he fucked himself over instead of going for high ROI procedures.
 
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zemult said:
My message here sums up the entire situation:

looksmax.org

OBO Update

I’ve been receiving a lot of DMs lately asking for updates on my orbital box osteotomy (OBO) results as well as general hardmaxxing advice. I’ve replied to many of you one on one, but I’m honestly tired of repeating the same points, so I’m putting it all here. 1. Surgical Journey As I’ve said...
looksmax.org looksmax.org

It's really sad honestly, I am personally under the opinion he was botched, although I want to think differently. It's going on 2 years now, not a single result, and the other Giant OBO results I've seen are just simply not great and don't look natural. Also according to the "ratios" he posted here, he wasn't even a worthy candidate for OBO? Just seems like he fucked himself over instead of going for high ROI procedures.
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You make a good point and I don’t have much to add regarding his case

All I will say for me personally is that a 0.40 esr is simply unacceptable and I am willing to gamble with OBO
 
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Acquiescence said:
You make a good point and I don’t have much to add regarding his case

All I will say for me personally is that a 0.40 esr is simply unacceptable and I am willing to gamble with OBO
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If I were you, I'd try everything else softmaxxing and hardmaxxing wise before OBO.
 
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zemult said:
My message here sums up the entire situation:

looksmax.org

OBO Update

I’ve been receiving a lot of DMs lately asking for updates on my orbital box osteotomy (OBO) results as well as general hardmaxxing advice. I’ve replied to many of you one on one, but I’m honestly tired of repeating the same points, so I’m putting it all here. 1. Surgical Journey As I’ve said...
looksmax.org looksmax.org

It's really sad honestly, I am personally under the opinion he was botched, although I want to think differently. It's going on 2 years now, not a single result, and the other Giant OBO results I've seen are just simply not great and don't look natural. Also according to the "ratios" he posted here, he wasn't even a worthy candidate for OBO? Just seems like he fucked himself over instead of going for high ROI procedures.
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i swear eye procedures and which ones actually help for different people are tricky af. if ur jaws are fucked=bimax,genio/chinwing. eyes=canthoplasty/pexy, fat grafting, obo, lf3, supras-infras,..... and it goes on.
 
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LEFORT17 said:
i swear eye procedures and which ones actually help for different people are tricky af. if ur jaws are fucked=bimax,genio/chinwing. eyes=canthoplasty/pexy, fat grafting, obo, lf3, supras-infras,..... and it goes on.
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Yes definitely, although fat grafting for eye area is the best ROI, if you lack fat pads.
 
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zemult said:
If I were you, I'd try everything else softmaxxing and hardmaxxing wise before OBO.
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Already exhausted softmaxxing except for high end peels/lasers. I still need extensive hardmaxxing

This ain’t my thread so I will leave it at this again - once, if ever, I have the funds for Giant, I’m going to him for a large combination procedure/s and sharing it publically
 
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Acquiescence said:
Already exhausted softmaxxing except for high end peels/lasers. I still need extensive hardmaxxing

This ain’t my thread so I will leave it at this again - once, if ever, I have the funds for Giant, I’m going to him for a large combination procedure/s and sharing it publically
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co2 laser a gamechanger, got it this year and worth every single penny
 
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@zemult jfling iq for saying obo is shit because you saw a 2 week post op and his eye spacing doesn’t look good for looksmax.org ratios (doesn’t mean anything)
 
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zemult said:
You can cope all you want with muh OBO but I've seen private results of Giant's OBO and it has the exact same problems with ICD that CosmicMaxxer has (even with Tripod combined). It also makes the eyes themselves very uncanny.

OP did not even have an IPD problem (going off of the ratios, at least) and decided to go with a high risk and low reward procedure.

But I don't know what to expect from some low IQ greycel going around promoting LeFort 3 and OBO unironically.
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How did u get the results? I also have imagined they are shit, obviously the icd is gonna get botched and changing the bizygo 12 mm is gonna look like a fucking ballon you can’t replicate that much expansion and have it look naturally, not even mentioning the icd is gonna look cucked bc the pfl wont change “muh tripod, orbital wall implants” not gonna do shit. The only possible way I can think of to fix esr is if you have a good raw ipd and icd but ur face is just wide So u shave the bone, also botchable and I’m biased bc I have this issue, but I have more hope than true low ipd cucks dealing with this phsycotic surgery. Anyways his esr was ideal, fucking moron
 
Devon said:
@zemult jfling iq for saying obo is shit because you saw a 2 week post op and his eye spacing doesn’t look good for looksmax.org ratios (doesn’t mean anything)
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It wasn't an OBO "2 week post op" you poor delusional grey, keep coping. In this particular Giant case, his eyes looked dolphinmaxxed and uncanny, even putting the ICD ratio aside.

You talk about OBO like it’s some miracle that fixes everything, yet you've seen no positive results, only taking the word of surgeon salesmen. Only explanation for such ignorance is that you’re a deluded Cyclops trying to convince yourself your horrible genetics can be resolved, mental masturbating with surgeries you'll never get. It’s almost pathetic how much you cope, and honestly, I can’t even be mad—only pity you. You were literally bringing up LeFort 3 as a plausible solution in another thread. Low intelligence, broke, cyclops, no capability to think independently, just a complete genetic abomination.
 
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iblamemygenes said:
How did u get the results? I also have imagined they are shit, obviously the icd is gonna get botched and changing the bizygo 12 mm is gonna look like a fucking ballon you can’t replicate that much expansion and have it look naturally, not even mentioning the icd is gonna look cucked bc the pfl wont change “muh tripod, orbital wall implants” not gonna do shit. The only possible way I can think of to fix esr is if you have a good raw ipd and icd but ur face is just wide So u shave the bone, also botchable and I’m biased bc I have this issue, but I have more hope than true low ipd cucks dealing with this phsycotic surgery. Anyways his esr was ideal, fucking moron
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User on here shared them privately with me. The implants were well done but the eyes looked as uncanny as CosmicMaxxer. He got "Tripod" but his PFL remained the same in actual visibility, and OBO made his eyes more than 1 eye apart. Not to mention the other weird "scarring" (if it is even that) that it had caused.
 
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Ape101 said:
Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

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Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






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All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral ↔️ growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

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Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


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Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


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zemult said:
User on here shared them privately with me. The implants were well done but the eyes looked as uncanny as CosmicMaxxer. He got "Tripod" but his PFL remained the same in actual visibility, and OBO made his eyes more than 1 eye apart. Not to mention the other weird "scarring" (if it is even that) that it had caused.
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Pipe dream surgery then ngl. I might try to consult him for midface implants
 
zemult said:
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For the botched case, are you referring to the guy who was trying to widen his skull. Ngl, if he didnt get botched with that scarring, it would look super good, other than the weird thing that happend to his inner canthus.

Mirin his results tbh
 
NuclearGeo20 said:
For the botched case, are you referring to the guy who was trying to widen his skull. Ngl, if he didnt get botched with that scarring, it would look super good, other than the weird thing that happend to his inner canthus.

Mirin his results tbh
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Can you show
 
zemult said:
It wasn't an OBO "2 week post op" you poor delusional grey, keep coping. In this particular Giant case, his eyes looked dolphinmaxxed and uncanny, even putting the ICD ratio aside.

You talk about OBO like it’s some miracle that fixes everything, yet you've seen no positive results, only taking the word of surgeon salesmen. Only explanation for such ignorance is that you’re a deluded Cyclops trying to convince yourself your horrible genetics can be resolved, mental masturbating with surgeries you'll never get. It’s almost pathetic how much you cope, and honestly, I can’t even be mad—only pity you. You were literally bringing up LeFort 3 as a plausible solution in another thread. Low intelligence, broke, cyclops, no capability to think independently, just a complete genetic abomination.
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Not broke + it was 2 week post op and I’ve seen it lol you don’t know anything jfl at the patronizing attempt by calling me greycel when you have 0 knowledge
 
Devon said:
Not broke + it was 2 week post op and I’ve seen it lol you don’t know anything jfl at the patronizing attempt by calling me greycel when you have 0 knowledge
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You're quite literally a greycel boyo, you have a grey name, no patronizing attempt there. :lul::lul::lul:

Not only a grey, but a coping Cyclops thinking muh OBO or LeFort 3 is going to save him from his cyclops recessed subhumanity—procedures that you're never going to get in the first place. Procedures that you yourself have not seen a single positive result from, but it's going to do wonders according to surgeon salesmen!
 
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zemult said:
You're quite literally a greycel boyo, you have a grey name, no patronizing attempt there. :lul::lul::lul:

Not only a grey, but a coping Cyclops thinking muh OBO or LeFort 3 is going to save him from his cyclops recessed subhumanity—procedures that you're never going to get in the first place. Procedures that you yourself have not seen a single positive result from, but it's going to do wonders according to surgeon salesmen!
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Me when I’m in an incorrect competition with @zemult
 
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@zemult wtf are you planning to do or are you already a “chadlite” 😂😂😂
 
Devon said:
@zemult wtf are you planning to do or are you already a “chadlite” 😂😂😂
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Implants and fat grafting. Not clinically recessed and have normal range eye spacing.
 
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Devon said:
Cool not everyone was born human 😢
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I went too hard on you, I just wanted you to make you realize that OBO and LeFort 3 isn't a golden bullet. You're also probably not as bad as you think, go for the best procedures with best ROI. Extremes like OBO/LF3 where you're willing to gamble everything should be the last resort, due to the lack of evidence that they improve aesthetics and the lack of information on its side effects. You can probably benefit immensely from implants or just a simple Bimax, which can distract from your falios like eye spacing. Both of which are way more reasonable, and have way more evidence and information backing them.
 
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everyone said:
he needs it

lol nigga what look at him, he was giga swollen he just needs to fix the canthus's and he will look good

they dont look uncanny didint say they look good its his eye area is shit
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:lul::lul::lul: The amount of cope. His eyes were literally more than 1 eyes apart, stop shifting the goalpost you fucking idiot.

"He just needs to fix the canthus" What does this even mean? The deformity he received from the result of the OBO?

Nobody here "needs" LF3 and OBO, there hasn't been a single positive aesthetic result posted from any of these procedures. You're just another mental masturbation coper, I mean literally "Strijd or death" is in your bio yet you will never look like him. Especially with LF3 or OBO, you'll just end up looking more shit than you do now. Not that you'd ever even get the procedures you're talking about in the first place.
 
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Ape101 said:
Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

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Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






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All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral ↔️ growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

View attachment 2679753

Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


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Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


OBO edit:
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HEY DUDE! W thread
 
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