Ideal facial ratios and proportions

[niggersodomizer69]

One thing that never gets mentioned is the length of the nose relative to the length of the philtrum. Just look at this guy:
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Lifefuel for me as a short nose long philtrum-cel (though unmoggable chin was saving me anyway)

 

[nigkook]

this is an updated version of my previous ideal facial ratios & proportions thread which can be found here

facial width to height ratio (FWHR): 1.8+
measured by dividing the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone) by the height of the middle part of the eyebrow to the upper lip.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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lower/full face ratio: 0.62+
measured by dividing the height between the nasion to the bottom of the chin by the face height (distance from hairline to bottom of the chin)

Spoiler: measurement examples

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midface ratio: 1.0-1.1
measured by dividing the interpupillary distance (distance between the centers of the pupils) by the height of the nasion to the upper lip. the closer to 1:1 this is, the better.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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mouth to nose ratio: 1.5-1.62
measured by dividing the width of the mouth by the width of the nose.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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lower to upper lip ratio: 1.62
measured by dividing the height of the lower lip to the upper lip.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25
measured by dividing the height of the middle part of the lips to the bottom of the chin by the height of the bottom of the nose to the middle part of the lips.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35
measured by dividing the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone) by the bigonial width (distance from gonion to gonion).

Spoiler: measurement examples

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ESR (eye separation ratio): 0.45-0.47
measured by dividing the interpupillary distance (distance between the centers of the pupils) by the the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone). the "third eyeball method" - a theory in which the distance between your eyes should be another eye apart - is widely accepted in determining whether or not your eyes are an appropriate distance away from eachother, however this is flawed and incorrect. here is a thread explaining why, along with some more useful information about this measurement.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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EME (eye mouth eye) angle: 47°-50°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the center of the lips with the arms crossing the eye pupils. the EME angle is a good indicator of masculinity and symmetry. here is a thread with more information about this measurement.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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cervicomental angle: 105°-120°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the hyoid with the arms set along the bottom of the chin and the neck. anything above 120° is said to give the impression of a double chin.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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gonial angle: 115°-130°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the gonion with the arms set along the mandible and the ramus.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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canthal tilt: 4°-6°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the medial canthus with the arms set parallel to the floor and the lateral canthus.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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palpebral fissure length to height ratio: 3.0-3.5
measured by dividing the palpebral fissure length (distance between the medial to the lateral canthus) by the height of the upper and lower eyelid.

forehead height: 3 fingers
measured by clenching your fingers together and seeing how many you can fit on your forehead horizontally before reaching your hairline.

facial thirds: 1/3 of face length
the upper third (height between the hairline to the middle part of the eyebrows), middle third (height between the middle part of the eyebrows to the bottom of the nose) and lower third (height between the bottom of the nose to bottom of the chin) of the face should be approximately 1/3rd of your entire face length (height between the hairline to bottom of the chin). these facial thirds should all be approximately equal to eachother and dividable smoothly into 3 parts as you transition down the face.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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facial fifths: 1/5 of ear to ear width
the nose width, palpebral fissure length and length between the lateral canthus to the ear should be approximately 1/5th of the width between your ears. these facial fifths should all be approximately equal to eachother and dividable smoothly into 5 parts as you transition from left to right of the face.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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Mirin thread op even if it's 4 years old jfl

 

[niggersodomizer69]

Mirin thread op even if it's 4 years old jfl

Good threads never die

 

[nigkook]

Good threads never die

Us 2023 GrAYcels would never get it

 

[Mainstream]

The ideal bizygomatic to bigonial width subbosedly being 1.35 seems like a cope of jawless low T's, but OK

Bigonial should be 85-92% of bizygomatic.

 

[Jilada2]

i have perfect facial proportions but i still think im ugly (14)

 

[niggersodomizer69]

i have perfect facial proportions but i still think im ugly (14)

Are you fat or have bad skin?

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

can you even fix fwhr?

 

[niggersodomizer69]

can you even fix f

No

 

[rolloftape]

facial width to height ratio (FWHR): 1.8+
1.69

lower/full face ratio: 0.62+
.636

midface ratio: 1.0-1.1
1.08

mouth to nose ratio: 1.5-1.62
1.47

lower to upper lip ratio: 1.62
1.68

chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25
2.18

bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35
1.15

ESR (eye separation ratio): 0.45-0.47
.485

EME (eye mouth eye) angle: 47°-50°
49.74

cervicomental angle: 105°-120°
111.27

gonial angle: 115°-130°
106.31

canthal tilt: 4°-6°
~2.5

bot:435, mid: 378, top: 345

conclusion: my ratios are fine, just need some bone density now

 

[Deleted member 62070]

facial width to height ratio (FWHR): 1.8+
1.69

lower/full face ratio: 0.62+
.636

midface ratio: 1.0-1.1
1.08

mouth to nose ratio: 1.5-1.62
1.47

lower to upper lip ratio: 1.62
1.68

chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25
2.18

bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35
1.15

ESR (eye separation ratio): 0.45-0.47
.485

EME (eye mouth eye) angle: 47°-50°
49.74

cervicomental angle: 105°-120°
111.27

gonial angle: 115°-130°
106.31

canthal tilt: 4°-6°
~2.5

bot:435, mid: 378, top: 345

conclusion: my ratios are fine, just need some bone density now

howd you measure

 

[rolloftape]

howd you measure

Take a pic from decent distance from face so that it doesn’t distort ratios from fisheye, then use selection square in paint in windows to measure pixel distance and divide to get ratios

 

[arab_chink]

Goated thread, still rember when lurking 2022

 

[PrimoMaxxer]

How do yo

facial width to height ratio (FWHR): 1.8+
1.69

lower/full face ratio: 0.62+
.636

midface ratio: 1.0-1.1
1.08

mouth to nose ratio: 1.5-1.62
1.47

lower to upper lip ratio: 1.62
1.68

chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25
2.18

bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35
1.15

ESR (eye separation ratio): 0.45-0.47
.485

EME (eye mouth eye) angle: 47°-50°
49.74

cervicomental angle: 105°-120°
111.27

gonial angle: 115°-130°
106.31

canthal tilt: 4°-6°
~2.5

bot:435, mid: 378, top: 345

conclusion: my ratios are fine, just need some bone density now

How do you come to that conclusion when you have a variety of highly important ratios outside the ideal range?

 

[rolloftape]

How do yo

How do you come to that conclusion when you have a variety of highly important ratios outside the ideal range?

Because most of my ratios are in range and I don’t need them to be perfect, when I get chin implant I’m gonna be even better

 

[Braindeadautist]

this is an updated version of my previous ideal facial ratios & proportions thread which can be found here

facial width to height ratio (FWHR): 1.8+
measured by dividing the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone) by the height of the middle part of the eyebrow to the upper lip.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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lower/full face ratio: 0.62+
measured by dividing the height between the nasion to the bottom of the chin by the face height (distance from hairline to bottom of the chin)

Spoiler: measurement examples

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midface ratio: 1.0-1.1
measured by dividing the interpupillary distance (distance between the centers of the pupils) by the height of the nasion to the upper lip. the closer to 1:1 this is, the better.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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mouth to nose ratio: 1.5-1.62
measured by dividing the width of the mouth by the width of the nose.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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lower to upper lip ratio: 1.62
measured by dividing the height of the lower lip to the upper lip.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25
measured by dividing the height of the middle part of the lips to the bottom of the chin by the height of the bottom of the nose to the middle part of the lips.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35
measured by dividing the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone) by the bigonial width (distance from gonion to gonion).

Spoiler: measurement examples

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ESR (eye separation ratio): 0.45-0.47
measured by dividing the interpupillary distance (distance between the centers of the pupils) by the the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone). the "third eyeball method" - a theory in which the distance between your eyes should be another eye apart - is widely accepted in determining whether or not your eyes are an appropriate distance away from eachother, however this is flawed and incorrect. here is a thread explaining why, along with some more useful information about this measurement.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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EME (eye mouth eye) angle: 47°-50°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the center of the lips with the arms crossing the eye pupils. the EME angle is a good indicator of masculinity and symmetry. here is a thread with more information about this measurement.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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cervicomental angle: 105°-120°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the hyoid with the arms set along the bottom of the chin and the neck. anything above 120° is said to give the impression of a double chin.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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gonial angle: 115°-130°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the gonion with the arms set along the mandible and the ramus.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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canthal tilt: 4°-6°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the medial canthus with the arms set parallel to the floor and the lateral canthus.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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palpebral fissure length to height ratio: 3.0-3.5
measured by dividing the palpebral fissure length (distance between the medial to the lateral canthus) by the height of the upper and lower eyelid.

forehead height: 3 fingers
measured by clenching your fingers together and seeing how many you can fit on your forehead horizontally before reaching your hairline.

facial thirds: 1/3 of face length
the upper third (height between the hairline to the middle part of the eyebrows), middle third (height between the middle part of the eyebrows to the bottom of the nose) and lower third (height between the bottom of the nose to bottom of the chin) of the face should be approximately 1/3rd of your entire face length (height between the hairline to bottom of the chin). these facial thirds should all be approximately equal to eachother and dividable smoothly into 3 parts as you transition down the face.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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facial fifths: 1/5 of ear to ear width
the nose width, palpebral fissure length and length between the lateral canthus to the ear should be approximately 1/5th of the width between your ears. these facial fifths should all be approximately equal to eachother and dividable smoothly into 5 parts as you transition from left to right of the face.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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Ok but how do I measure do I get a fucking measuring tape or what

 

[Braindeadautist]

FWHR: 1.88

Lower/Fullface ratio: 0.67

Midface ratio: 1.05

Mouth to nose: 1.59

Lower to upper lip: 1.5

Chin to philtrum: 1.8

Bizygo to bigonial: 1.02

ESR: 0.49

EME angle: 49º

Cerviconmental angle: 104º

Gonial angle: 121º

Canthal tilt: 5.7º

Palpebral fissure length to height: 3.35

Forehead height: 3.2 (fingers)

Facial thirds: 0.35 (low), 0.3 (mid), 0.33 (top) (rounded from 5 digit decimals, taking into account 1 as the whole face)

Facial fifths: 0.2 (all fifths, rounded from 5 digit decimals, taking into account 1 as the whole)


Measured with those three pics, with low to no camera distortion (third pic has bit of distortion since its front cam but used only for canthal tilt and fissure width to height)
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ogremaxx or its over and u have to be tall or its oveeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr

 

[rolloftape]

Ok but how do I measure do I get a fucking measuring tape or what

I answered this look above

 

[heightmaxxing]

2.0-2.25 chin to philtrum doesn't seem ideal seems pretty bad. Ideal is 2.25-2.75 . I assume you got 2.0-2.25 from the golden ratio which I think is pretty outdated tbh good thread apart from that tho

 

[crybaby]

1.35 bizygo to bigonial width is narrow cuck-jawed (0.74 other way around) ideal is 0.85-0.95 bigonial to bizygo (1.18 to 1.05 other way around). Apart from that still good thread.

 

[LooksMaxxingBoss]

this is an updated version of my previous ideal facial ratios & proportions thread which can be found here

facial width to height ratio (FWHR): 1.8+
measured by dividing the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone) by the height of the middle part of the eyebrow to the upper lip.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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lower/full face ratio: 0.62+
measured by dividing the height between the nasion to the bottom of the chin by the face height (distance from hairline to bottom of the chin)

Spoiler: measurement examples

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midface ratio: 1.0-1.1
measured by dividing the interpupillary distance (distance between the centers of the pupils) by the height of the nasion to the upper lip. the closer to 1:1 this is, the better.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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mouth to nose ratio: 1.5-1.62
measured by dividing the width of the mouth by the width of the nose.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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lower to upper lip ratio: 1.62
measured by dividing the height of the lower lip to the upper lip.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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chin to philtrum ratio: 2.0-2.25
measured by dividing the height of the middle part of the lips to the bottom of the chin by the height of the bottom of the nose to the middle part of the lips.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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bizygomatic to bigonial width: 1.35
measured by dividing the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone) by the bigonial width (distance from gonion to gonion).

Spoiler: measurement examples

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ESR (eye separation ratio): 0.45-0.47
measured by dividing the interpupillary distance (distance between the centers of the pupils) by the the bizygomatic width (distance from cheekbone to cheekbone). the "third eyeball method" - a theory in which the distance between your eyes should be another eye apart - is widely accepted in determining whether or not your eyes are an appropriate distance away from eachother, however this is flawed and incorrect. here is a thread explaining why, along with some more useful information about this measurement.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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EME (eye mouth eye) angle: 47°-50°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the center of the lips with the arms crossing the eye pupils. the EME angle is a good indicator of masculinity and symmetry. here is a thread with more information about this measurement.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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cervicomental angle: 105°-120°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the hyoid with the arms set along the bottom of the chin and the neck. anything above 120° is said to give the impression of a double chin.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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gonial angle: 115°-130°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the gonion with the arms set along the mandible and the ramus.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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canthal tilt: 4°-6°
measured by calculating the angle formed upon setting the vertex at the medial canthus with the arms set parallel to the floor and the lateral canthus.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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palpebral fissure length to height ratio: 3.0-3.5
measured by dividing the palpebral fissure length (distance between the medial to the lateral canthus) by the height of the upper and lower eyelid.

forehead height: 3 fingers
measured by clenching your fingers together and seeing how many you can fit on your forehead horizontally before reaching your hairline.

facial thirds: 1/3 of face length
the upper third (height between the hairline to the middle part of the eyebrows), middle third (height between the middle part of the eyebrows to the bottom of the nose) and lower third (height between the bottom of the nose to bottom of the chin) of the face should be approximately 1/3rd of your entire face length (height between the hairline to bottom of the chin). these facial thirds should all be approximately equal to eachother and dividable smoothly into 3 parts as you transition down the face.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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facial fifths: 1/5 of ear to ear width
the nose width, palpebral fissure length and length between the lateral canthus to the ear should be approximately 1/5th of the width between your ears. these facial fifths should all be approximately equal to eachother and dividable smoothly into 5 parts as you transition from left to right of the face.

Spoiler: measurement examples

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Only my nose is a little bit wider not nigga like but I have to slim it down somehow

 

[Outerz14]

Hard to be cl without any failos

 

[MagomedGadzhi ft6]

Я даже не буду измерять свои пропорции, это будет чистый хлам

 

[User28823]

absolute lifefuel knowing i have mostly perfect ratios except for slightly uneven lips / long philtrum and slightly narrow jaw width (will get implants for outward gonions) + shorten philtrum with lip lift to fix lip unevenness and philtrum length

 

[ronald_2]

When measuring facial ratios remember to never use photos. They will distort ratios 99% ot the time, for better or worse. Use calipers instead. They will give you reliable measurements and accurate facial ratios.

 

[Deleted member 81737]

all this just to tell me its over

 

[Surgerymaxxer1998]

Nobody talks about this yet its so important, if u have lower than ideal es ratio but ur eyes are more than 1 eyes apart it cancels each other out creating balance and harmony. You basically get perfect eye spacing from this (creating attractive talked about this). This phenomenon is rare but more common in East Asians due to wide cheekbones and epicanthic folds increasing intercanthal distance. I'm fortunate enough to have this sort of balance

 

[Magnum Opus]

When measuring facial ratios remember to never use photos. They will distort ratios 99% ot the time, for better or worse. Use calipers instead. They will give you reliable measurements and accurate facial ratios.

You realize most "ideal" ratio ranges are derived from pictures, right? The people who have the ideal on-paper ES ratio by X picture setup defined as the "standard", will also still have the ideal in real life, just a different value. Meaning the one they get irl measuring in the mirror is what'd then constitute the ideal value under irl circumstances, but there's little to no data on that.
Makes absolutely no sense to measure your ratios irl but compare it to value ranges that were derived from pictures

 

[ronald_2]

You realize most "ideal" ratio ranges are derived from pictures, right? The people who have the ideal on-paper ES ratio by X picture setup defined as the "standard", will also still have the ideal in real life, just a different value. Meaning the one they get irl measuring in the mirror is what'd then constitute the ideal value under irl circumstances, but there's little to no data on that.
Makes absolutely no sense to measure your ratios irl but compare it to value ranges that were derived from pictures

Are you aware that depending on the camera's focal length and distance between the camera and the person, a photo can result in completely different ratios?

This is why I suggested using calipers instead. There's even a thread here explaining camera's distortion in detail.

 

[Magnum Opus]

Are you aware that depending on the camera's focal length and distance between the camera and the person, a photo can result in completely different ratios?

Yes, I am aware of that, if you have some ratio range data from a camera setup with a focal length of f.e. 120mm and a distance of 4m to the subject, then you have to replicate that camera setup and measure the ratio under those exact circumstances to be truly accurate.

This is why I suggested using calipers instead. There's even a thread here explaining camera's distortion in detail.

You measuring it irl with calipers doesn't make sense if you still compare it to the ratio ranges derived from datasets in which pics were used, and even those aren't standardised among themselves. Only a logical approach if you have the data for which values are ideal under real-life circumstances, which you don't

 

[liam03]

would 0.94 midface be a problem

 

[ronald_2]

Just a reminder: selfies taken with wide lense cameras (present in the majority of modern cellphones), from a distance of an arm length or less, will elongate and narrow your facial features.

Meanwhile if you take selfies at a distance of more than 2 arms length with that same camera, your face will shorten and widen.

That's why its best to measure yourself using a ruler or mm caliper to get the most accurate ratios.

 

[cannotbeasked]

Yes, I am aware of that, if you have some ratio range data from a camera setup with a focal length of f.e. 120mm and a distance of 4m to the subject, then you have to replicate that camera setup and measure the ratio under those exact circumstances to be truly accurate.

You measuring it irl with calipers doesn't make sense if you still compare it to the ratio ranges derived from datasets in which pics were used, and even those aren't standardised among themselves. Only a logical approach if you have the data for which values are ideal under real-life circumstances, which you don't

It makes sense when you’re trying to look like the guy in the picture, if a 1.8 FWHR on camera looks ideal then in real life it will too. Yeah maybe in real life that FWHR is slightly higher or lower but the difference is probably so small it doesn’t make much of a difference, and regardless the “distorted version” looks good so if you have it in real life then it still looks good.

 

[ronald_2]

Please if someone knows of a website where there's a list of all the average facial measurements used for the ratios of this thread, please share it. It would be really useful.