Just booked a consultation with Dr. Sailer for jaw surgery

[Deleted member 3259]

What do you mean if you keep your mouth closed? What exactly happens if its open when you smile or talk?

 

[Deleted member 2527]

What do you mean if you keep your mouth closed? What exactly happens if its open when you smile or talk?

if I smile or talk the soft tissue in the cheek area bunches together and makes my face look bloated/mouth area recessed.

if I keep my mouth shut or pouted it helps prevent this.

 

[Deleted member 3259]

if I smile or talk the soft tissue in the cheek area bunches together and makes my face look bloated/mouth area recessed.

if I keep my mouth shut or pouted it helps prevent this.

Ahh. Bro I dont understand, at this point you are a mentalcel. You already ascended, you slay on Tinder, but you still try to fix shit that no one but PSL people gives a shit about. You truly need a break from this site, no cope or anything lol.

 

[Deleted member 2527]

Ahh. Bro I dont understand, at this point you are a mentalcel. You already ascended, you slay on Tinder, but you still try to fix shit that no one but PSL people gives a shit about. You truly need a break from this site, no cope or anything lol.

interesting mix of responses in this thread.

some people saying my lower third and soft tissue is fucked and it’s over

others saying it’s totally in my head and BDD.

 

[Gosick]

Sailor seems super blackpilled ngl, this video was a good watch


If money werent an issue, I would go to him for sure

Also his age, i heard hes in his 70's, its going to suck if he retires soon, I wish he was younger.

 

[forwardgrowth]

This + airlift to raise the hyoid bone and @facemaxxed is chad

air lift this alters the hyoid bone..pls explain

 

[Deleted member 3962]

air lift this alters the hyoid bone..pls explain

Google airlift surgery

 

[forwardgrowth]

Google airlift surgery

looks good..is this the best solution psl has come up with the hyoidmaxing + bsso?

 

[Deleted member 3962]

looks good..is this the best solution psl has come up with the hyoidmaxing + bsso?

psl doesnt know of airlift to my knowledge

but yeah thats probably the best

 

[Deleted member 2846]

psl doesnt know of airlift to my knowledge

but yeah thats probably the best

what’s airlift

 

[Deleted member 3962]

what’s airlift

A surgery that raises the hyoid bone

 

[Deleted member 3259]

Here’s some side shots to get a better picture

What exactly am I looking at here. What is supposed to be off with these photos?

A surgery that raises the hyoid bone

Wait what? How is it performed? Do they do it for cosmetic reasons? How much???????

 

[ibetucnt]

damn you really look super bloated in that pic

why not just go for fillers instead of all these implants if money is not an issue ?

 

[CristianT]

Sailor seems super blackpilled ngl, this video was a good watch


If money werent an issue, I would go to him for sure

Also his age, i heard hes in his 70's, its going to suck if he retires soon, I wish he was younger.

I watched it all. Super informative indeed.

 

[Gosick]

I watched it all. Super informative indeed.

After watching that vid, it kind of makes me actually consider going to him tbh even if hes expensive af

But hes old af tbh

I hope he doesnt retire until his 80's

 

[CristianT]

After watching that vid, it kind of makes me actually consider going to him tbh even if hes expensive af

But hes old af tbh

I hope he doesnt retire until his 80's

Crazy how much a BSSO + Lefort I can change your face.

I think I will go with Defrancq this year. 18K (BSSO + Lefort I + Genio +zygoma Implants)

 

[Gosick]

Crazy how much a BSSO + Lefort I can change your face.

I think I will go with Defrancq this year. 18K (BSSO + Lefort I + Genio +zygoma Implants)

Joel does it for aesthetic reasons? my bite is fine but i just want more foward growth/ante face.

 

[CristianT]

Joel does it for aesthetic reasons? my bite is fine but i just want more foward growth/ante face.

Ofc he does. I also have a problem with my smile. My teeth are not showing when I slightly open my mouth. When I told him that he told me straight away that I don't have support for my upper lip and what happens is that my lip is falling like a curtain and a bone graft will solve this issue. I also talked to some people who made surgery with him and they look good.
Also when I had a consultation with him via Skype he told me straight away that I have a short face(which is true) and advancement of maxilla and mandible will solve my issue.

 

[Gosick]

Ofc he does. I also have a problem with my smile. My teeth are not showing when I slightly open my mouth. When I told him that he told me straight away that I don't have support for my upper lip and what happens is that my lip is falling like a curtain and a bone graft will solve this issue. I also talked to some people who made surgery with him and they look good.
Also when I had a consultation with him via Skype he told me straight away that I have a short face(which is true) and advancement of maxilla and mandible will solve my issue.

mirin, Ill consider getting a consult with him in the future, he also utilizes implants and he can place them during the Bimax which is also pretty good. He also uses different implant material instead of just silicone which is also a plus.

 

[CristianT]

mirin, Ill consider getting a consult with him in the future, he also utilizes implants and he can place them during the Bimax which is also pretty good. He also uses different implant material instead of just silicone which is also a plus.

When I told him that I'm wearing braces with elastics to try to correct a surgery case(because my case was so bad that my orthodontist said I would need surgery but he chose elastics instead and that still didn't fix the problem) he was so mad and unsatisfied. Haha

ORTHODONTIST ARE BLUE PILLED.

From an incel -> Chad.

 

[I'mme]

Never thought it would come to this... I always though jaw surgery was too invasive and Eppley custom implants could get the job done.

but after seeing some non frauded pics someone else took of me its clear my jaw is recessed af.

there’s levels to Blackpill boyos and I just reached the next stage.

Most surgeons don't know the advanced ways to do jaw surgery. There are ways where even brances aren't required. There are ways by which brances can be gotten after jaw surgery.

I wish jaw surgery becomes more advanced in coming times.

 

[Deleted member 2846]

When I told him that I'm wearing braces with elastics to try to correct a surgery case(because my case was so bad that my orthodontist said I would need surgery but he chose elastics instead and that still didn't fix the problem) he was so mad and unsatisfied. Haha

ORTHODONTIST ARE BLUE PILLED.

From an incel -> Chad.

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why the gay noses

 

[MandibularCel]

Crazy how much a BSSO + Lefort I can change your face.

I think I will go with Defrancq this year. 18K (BSSO + Lefort I + Genio +zygoma Implants)

What made you decide to go with Defrancq in the end?

 

[Autoact]

if I smile or talk the soft tissue in the cheek area bunches together and makes my face look bloated/mouth area recessed.

if I keep my mouth shut or pouted it helps prevent this.

Same thing happens to me, cheeks look super chubby when I smile. I noticed when I saw a candid pic

means recessed maxilla?

honestly grateful you made this thread I was going to get Eppley implants pretty soon but it’s looking like I need double jaw

 

[MandibularCel]

why the gay noses

They might be gay but they still look good

 

[Deleted member 39]

I wonder if your maxilla would medically be considered severely recessed, so maybe even insurance would cover the cost. What's your bite like?
My orthodontist told me my maxilla is recessed and that I'd either need a facemask or surgery (lefort I).
It looks like this:

 

[CristianT]

What made you decide to go with Defrancq in the end?

I talked to some patients who had surgery with him. He is very good at what he does. Is either surgery or rope.

 

[MandibularCel]

I talked to some patients who had surgery with him. He is very good at what he does. Is either surgery or rope.

Keep us updated if you decide to pull the trigger with dr d. I wish you luck

 

[CristianT]

Keep us updated if you decide to pull the trigger with dr d. I wish you luck

For sure.

 

[Deleted member 3962]

I wonder if your maxilla would medically be considered severely recessed, so maybe even insurance would cover the cost. What's your bite like?
My orthodontist told me my maxilla is recessed and that I'd either need a facemask or surgery (lefort I).
It looks like this: View attachment 215125

u dont look recessed

 

[Linoob]

His latest review on realself is a distater.

 

[Deleted member 4054]

His latest review on realself is a distater.

He's too old. These guys never know when to hang it up

 

[justanothergymcell]

No

His latest review on realself is a distater.

There are no pics though, so it is hard to judge. It is still scary when you see a review like that though. I have seen some of these reviews before with pictures and some of the times it really is as bad as the description and sometimes people are just mental.

 

[Linoob]

No
There are no pics though, so it is hard to judge. It is still scary when you see a review like that though. I have seen some of these reviews before with pictures and some of the times it really is as bad as the description and sometimes people are just mental.

Also true.

 

[justanothergymcell]

Honestly, there needs to a review site for surgery that requires pictures for every review. It should even be able to automatically blur,crop, and anonymize it to the user's desire.

 

[Deleted member 2846]

No
There are no pics though, so it is hard to judge. It is still scary when you see a review like that though. I have seen some of these reviews before with pictures and some of the times it really is as bad as the description and sometimes people are just mental.

link?

 

[justanothergymcell]

link?

To what? I just meant in general I seem to remember reading bad reviews for other surgeons where the pictures don't make it look so bad. I haven't saved them or anything. You can go on realself yourself and look under certain procedures, find a one star review with pictures and judge yourself. In fact, when I clicked there now to see Sailer's review, another one popped up for a girl regretting double jaw. The post had loads of pictures, but it did not look so bad, though not ideal.

Perfect example is someone posting here a video about some lady literally crying about her rhinoplasty. Even though I don't know her goals or what her discussions with her surgeon were, it doesn't look so bad to bawl her eyes out over. On a separate issue, I agree it's shameless to have a resident do it instead, but still yhr final result doesn't look botched.

 

[Rift]

And to think I was a mentalcel holy shit

 

[Deleted member 2527]

And to think I was a mentalcel holy shit

what do you mean

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Crazy how much a BSSO + Lefort I can change your face.

I think I will go with Defrancq this year. 18K (BSSO + Lefort I + Genio +zygoma Implants)

18k euros for all of that?

 

[CristianT]

18k euros for all of that?

Yea. He had 3 proposals.

1. BSSO + Le fort + bone graft(for my upper lip) - 13.500 €
2. Same as above + genio - 15.500 €
3. Same as point 2 + Zygoma implants(bcs he said that as my face will go forward usually the cheeks will also need to be touched) - 18.000€

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Yea. He had 3 proposals.

1. BSSO + Le fort + bone graft(for my upper lip) - 13.500 €
2. Same as above + genio - 15.500 €
3. Same as point 2 + Zygoma implants(bcs he said that as my face will go forward usually the cheeks will also need to be touched) - 18.000€

Holy shit that would help me so much. Pls post once u get the surgery!

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Yea. He had 3 proposals.

1. BSSO + Le fort + bone graft(for my upper lip) - 13.500 €
2. Same as above + genio - 15.500 €
3. Same as point 2 + Zygoma implants(bcs he said that as my face will go forward usually the cheeks will also need to be touched) - 18.000€

I heard people talking the other day about a really high cut lefort 1 going up to just under the cheekbone and then a malar/orbital implant to move that shit up accordingly. Sounds like what you’re talking about, like a lefort 2.5 in results with a lefort 1.5 in invasiveness.

you’re getting a crazy good deal by the way

 

[CristianT]

I heard people talking the other day about a really high cut lefort 1 going up to just under the cheekbone and then a malar/orbital implant to move that shit up accordingly. Sounds like what you’re talking about, like a lefort 2.5 in results with a lefort 1.5 in invasiveness.

you’re getting a crazy good deal by the way

Im still struggling with taking a decision.. I will see.

 

[reptiles]

Maxilla is the most important bone in your body

You can make up for it with a good lower 3rd but it will always look off

 

[Deleted member 2527]

I wonder if your maxilla would medically be considered severely recessed, so maybe even insurance would cover the cost. What's your bite like?
My orthodontist told me my maxilla is recessed and that I'd either need a facemask or surgery (lefort I).
It looks like this: View attachment 215125

You aren’t recessed. If anything you have good forward growth. Look at your lip position and mouth area compared to mine.

 

[Deleted member 3162]

Can you not train the hyoid bone

I think it's a myth that you can change the position of your hyoid without surgery.

 

[Pendejo]

Got pics?

I found these pics here:

Sci-Hub | Modified Le Fort I step osteotomy for improvement of paranasal flatness in maxillary deficiency: technical note and series of 24 cases. Journal of Stomatology, Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery | 10.1016/j.jormas.2019.07.003

@Gosick , is this the High Lefort 1 you were talking about?

 

[Ceamce]

she only got a lefort 1 it looks like primarily to fix a functional issue with her jaw.



this is a more dramatic result of a Lefort 1+BSSO

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This was from an Italian Surgeon

This correct downward growth jaw also

 

[Gosick]

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I found these pics here:

Sci-Hub | Modified Le Fort I step osteotomy for improvement of paranasal flatness in maxillary deficiency: technical note and series of 24 cases. Journal of Stomatology, Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery | 10.1016/j.jormas.2019.07.003

@Gosick , is this the High Lefort 1 you were talking about?

yea, good find.

Yea. He had 3 proposals.

1. BSSO + Le fort + bone graft(for my upper lip) - 13.500 €
2. Same as above + genio - 15.500 €
3. Same as point 2 + Zygoma implants(bcs he said that as my face will go forward usually the cheeks will also need to be touched) - 18.000€

do you live in europe? with those prices, Im considering booking a consult with him tbh