Mind Blown, I asked the question about the dating market shifting (which it now has) half a decade ago

[6ft4]

A lot of you will have seen this thread I made recently about the changes to the dating market in recent years with the main idea being that we have reached the limit in how much dating success you can have by "mogging/looksmaxxing" meaning that foids have become unimpressed with a looks standard that got guys dating success 5 years ago meaning that the effectiveness of relying solely on looks for dating success is plummeting, meaning that you either need status to stand out (every normie trying to tiktokmax) or you need to be below average looking so that foids out of your league pick you for an LTR knowing you'll be a handbag cuck for her.

Why are users here so unwilling to accept the changes in the dating market in recent times? (Superthread)

1990s Intentionally going out to a nightlife venue to meet someone to settle down with was seen as a normal activity and things like matchmaking festivals were commonplace and not seen as desperate. For anyone who didn't meet a partner through social circle, bars/venues were seen as a place to...

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Here is the thread I made in July 2019 when I could see the writing on the wall that looksmaxxing/mogging has taken men's dating success as far as it could possibly go.
Funnily enough the hype around looksmaxxing has increased dramatically since then while it's actual effectiveness has decreased dramatically and the early adopters (guys who ascended in the 2010s) got the vast majority of the sexual rewards available while guys who are late to the party either by ignorance or due to age aren't getting a sliver of what moggers used to get.

Will the hype around looksmaxing die down in 2020?

In previous generations where males just accepted their genetic fate and looksmaxing didn't even cross their mind, game was legit as that was the only variable that would ever so slightly change their success rate with women. The 1/20 guys who was goodlooking and had it easy would take home one...

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[Shahnameh]

The pursuit of looksmaxxing often makes dating more competitive by continually setting new standards of what’s “attractive.” As more men focus on optimizing their appearance, it can lead to a “race to the top” where the bar for male attractiveness keeps getting pushed higher. The result is that once common attributes (such as being fit or well-groomed) become the baseline rather than the exception, making it harder for men to stand out.

Looksmaxxing efforts have diminishing returns due to the nature of attraction. Improving physical appearance up to a point can enhance self-confidence and social success, but further changes often yield less impact. There are limitations to how much one’s looks alone can influence dating success; after a certain threshold, qualities like personality, emotional intelligence, and financial stability become equally or more critical factors.

Studies have shown that while appearance is initially important, long-term compatibility is largely influenced by non-physical traits. Psychologists note that qualities like shared interests, values, and communication skills often determine the sustainability of relationships more than physical attraction alone. For example, a study from the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology highlights that relationships based solely on physical attraction tend to be less stable compared to those built on mutual compatibility .

Looksmaxxing also has a psychological downside. The pressure to constantly improve one’s appearance can lead to self-esteem issues and body dysmorphia, especially if one becomes overly focused on looks as the key to relationship success. This often leads to burnout or dissatisfaction, as the pursuit of physical perfection becomes harder to sustain and less rewarding over time.

@Xangsane

 

[WeiWei]

) or you need to be below average looking so that foids out of your league pick you for an LTR knowing you'll be a handbag cuck for her.

 

[psychomandible]

The pursuit of looksmaxxing often makes dating more competitive by continually setting new standards of what’s “attractive.” As more men focus on optimizing their appearance, it can lead to a “race to the top” where the bar for male attractiveness keeps getting pushed higher. The result is that once common attributes (such as being fit or well-groomed) become the baseline rather than the exception, making it harder for men to stand out.

Looksmaxxing efforts have diminishing returns due to the nature of attraction. Improving physical appearance up to a point can enhance self-confidence and social success, but further changes often yield less impact. There are limitations to how much one’s looks alone can influence dating success; after a certain threshold, qualities like personality, emotional intelligence, and financial stability become equally or more critical factors.

Studies have shown that while appearance is initially important, long-term compatibility is largely influenced by non-physical traits. Psychologists note that qualities like shared interests, values, and communication skills often determine the sustainability of relationships more than physical attraction alone. For example, a study from the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology highlights that relationships based solely on physical attraction tend to be less stable compared to those built on mutual compatibility .

Looksmaxxing also has a psychological downside. The pressure to constantly improve one’s appearance can lead to self-esteem issues and body dysmorphia, especially if one becomes overly focused on looks as the key to relationship success. This often leads to burnout or dissatisfaction, as the pursuit of physical perfection becomes harder to sustain and less rewarding over time.

@Xangsane

Only a few molecules

 

[Shahnameh]

Only a few molecules

Basically if everyone looksmaxxes
The bar just gets higher and we have a new baseline

Plus looks aren't that important for a long term relationship

 

[Xangsane]

The pursuit of looksmaxxing often makes dating more competitive by continually setting new standards of what’s “attractive.” As more men focus on optimizing their appearance, it can lead to a “race to the top” where the bar for male attractiveness keeps getting pushed higher. The result is that once common attributes (such as being fit or well-groomed) become the baseline rather than the exception, making it harder for men to stand out.

Looksmaxxing efforts have diminishing returns due to the nature of attraction. Improving physical appearance up to a point can enhance self-confidence and social success, but further changes often yield less impact. There are limitations to how much one’s looks alone can influence dating success; after a certain threshold, qualities like personality, emotional intelligence, and financial stability become equally or more critical factors.

Studies have shown that while appearance is initially important, long-term compatibility is largely influenced by non-physical traits. Psychologists note that qualities like shared interests, values, and communication skills often determine the sustainability of relationships more than physical attraction alone. For example, a study from the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology highlights that relationships based solely on physical attraction tend to be less stable compared to those built on mutual compatibility .

Looksmaxxing also has a psychological downside. The pressure to constantly improve one’s appearance can lead to self-esteem issues and body dysmorphia, especially if one becomes overly focused on looks as the key to relationship success. This often leads to burnout or dissatisfaction, as the pursuit of physical perfection becomes harder to sustain and less rewarding over time.

@Xangsane

now even ROBUST PRETTYBOYS have pajeet/faggot/tranny/furry/autist orbiters. not foids

 

[infini]

Evolution at play. Just more about specialisation and be her type theory. This market I hope goes bullish again and women come to their standards again and the majority of middle worth fall back in line. Either way at this point I want oofies and the retarded-type of girls to pay for it.

 

[Xangsane]

Evolution at play. This market I hope goes bullish again and women come to their standards again and the majority of middle worth fall back in line. Either way at this point I want oofies and the retarded-type of girls to pay for it.

now even ROBUST PRETTYBOYS have pajeet/faggot/tranny/furry/autist orbiters. not foids

 

[Whatever]

I could’ve known in 2021 that things were changing. I had a neighbor who’s like 6’2”, Chadlite face, lean and athletic body, and the big thing was that he’s tan, tattooed, low inhib looking, sex appeal maxxed. One of the highest PSL and appeal guys that I’ve known. Yet in the whole year that I lived there he never had one attractive girl over, he finally had this one foid over after months but she was nothing special to say the least.

Meanwhile I see the girls that I would’ve expected him with with oofy doofys so often that put it this way. I never leave the house M-F except to go to work because I don’t have time. But the other day I did a rare weekday errand to the post office and even that was enough for me to see a skinny curvy ginger HTB with a LTN her height, and this guy looked legit gross, pubic hair beard and like he needed a shower.

No more hypotheticals, no more “who they could be with”.

 

[6ft4]

I could’ve known in 2021 that things were changing. I had a neighbor who’s like 6’2”, Chadlite face, lean and athletic body, and the big thing was that he’s tan, tattooed, low inhib looking, sex appeal maxxed. One of the highest PSL and appeal guys that I’ve known. Yet in the whole year that I lived there he never had one attractive girl over, he finally had this one foid over after months but she was nothing special to say the least.

Meanwhile I see the girls that I would’ve expected him with with oofy doofys so often that put it this way. I never leave the house M-F except to go to work because I don’t have time. But the other day I did a rare weekday errand to the post office and even that was enough for me to see a skinny curvy ginger HTB with a LTN her height, and this guy looked legit gross, pubic hair beard and like he needed a shower.

No more hypotheticals, no more “who they could be with”.

Something significant changed after 2020
I simply cannot rule out the possibility of the vax having some mechanism that causes foids to develop attraction for subhumans and lose attraction for above average males
@nofap

 

[Whatever]

Something significant changed after 2020
I simply cannot rule out the possibility of the vax having some mechanism that causes foids to develop attraction for subhumans and lose attraction for above average males
@nofap

For sure the vax fucked with people’s hormones so yes, very possible. I can also make sense of it through proximity and people’s changing life structures, I was gonna make a thread about this soon.

 

[Deleted member 96505]

Thats why height and dick is everything

 

[gaymidget]

I feel a shift too. I think studies showed that people have less and less sex and i made the same experience. I think corona fucked a lot of social dynamics. Most college parties i attend, i dont see anyone making out, i dont see any guys approaching girls. Everyone stays in there circle and 99% of guys only get sex through relationships, where they have to date the girls for weeks to get some action. The whole hook-up fun thing has died down. I think the only people who have short-term sexual relationships are famous influencer type people. But even then, i knew a girl who was in these circles and she and her friends didnt even fuck around much. And most of the time, the girls that fuck around are really low-class whores. I havent really figured out yet whats happening or where the new meta is developing but things definitely changed.

 

[6ft4]

I feel a shift too. I think studies showed that people have less and less sex and i made the same experience. I think corona fucked a lot of social dynamics. Most college parties i attend, i dont see anyone making out, i dont see any guys approaching girls. Everyone stays in there circle and 99% of guys only get sex through relationships, where they have to date the girls for weeks to get some action. The whole hook-up fun thing has died down. I think the only people who have short-term sexual relationships are famous influencer type people. But even then, i knew a girl who was in these circles and she and her friends didnt even fuck around much. And most of the time, the girls that fuck around are really low-class whores. I havent really figured out yet whats happening or where the new meta is developing but things definitely changed.

Good post, thanks for your anecdotes
I want to find as many users on here as I can who have these observations and see if we can get to the bottom of things

Knowing how much influencer type guys are slaying in 2024 would be very valuable information
Whether they're monopolizing the market more than ever before or their perceived value is also less than it used to be because foids see them as being too accessible now.
If these guys are all trying to fuck every girl that moves, girls may know that slaying a guy with status is easy for them and just a DM away

 

[New Poster]

Just take the agepill

 

[gaymidget]

Good post, thanks for your anecdotes
I want to find as many users on here as I can who have these observations and see if we can get to the bottom of things

Knowing how much influencer type guys are slaying in 2024 would be very valuable information
Whether they're monopolizing the market more than ever before or their perceived value is also less than it used to be because foids see them as being too accessible now.
If these guys are all trying to fuck every girl that moves, girls may know that slaying a guy with status is easy for them and just a DM away

I think so too. While before the 2010s, most girls never had access to high status males/famous people unless they were groupies or activly searching for opportunities by going ot expensive bars or dancing in front of VIP sections in clubs. Now most girls get DMs almost weekly by more or less famous people. Sometimes its just random 2. league football players but thats enough to mog the average wagecel. So if girls want to have sex, they can just sleep with almost any type of famous person. The girl i knew who was in these circles dated some tiktokers and actors who were HTN but less good looking than i am. She then had a huge crush on me and tired to date me but i didnt really want to becasue hse wanted something serious and i dont date girls who chill in these circles. She bascially said somehting like that she could imagine building a future with me because i have potential and i am good looking. But i am not gonna wife up a whore. She is very beautiful but not worth it.

Moral of the story: Most girls will only hook-up with guys who have status. Good looks can carry pretty far but you would have to be insanely good looking to hook-up with girls based on this alone. What i propose and doing currently is dating high-class girls in a serious base but dip out when it gets serious. So i kinda lie and use the pretense of a relationship to fuck and then get out. Its the only way to get action as a good looking guy without status.

 

[6ft4]

I think so too. While before the 2010s, most girls never had access to high status males/famous people unless they were groupies or activly searching for opportunities by going ot expensive bars or dancing in front of VIP sections in clubs. Now most girls get DMs almost weekly by more or less famous people. Sometimes its just random 2. league football players but thats enough to mog the average wagecel. So if girls want to have sex, they can just sleep with almost any type of famous person. The girl i knew who was in these circles dated some tiktokers and actors who were HTN but less good looking than i am. She then had a huge crush on me and tired to date me but i didnt really want to becasue hse wanted something serious and i dont date girls who chill in these circles. She bascially said somehting like that she could imagine building a future with me because i have potential and i am good looking. But i am not gonna wife up a whore. She is very beautiful but not worth it.

so even whores aren't willing to give up casual sex without status
they'll only fuck the guys with status then demand commitment from statusless guy?

Moral of the story: Most girls will only hook-up with guys who have status. Good looks can carry pretty far but you would have to be insanely good looking to hook-up with girls based on this alone. What i propose and doing currently is dating high-class girls in a serious base but dip out when it gets serious. So i kinda lie and use the pretense of a relationship to fuck and then get out. Its the only way to get action as a good looking guy without status.

why would high class girls be a better option?
If you have to larp that you're willing to commit in order to get a slay, doesn't that just show that the ROI for trying to slay is very low and you're better off just looking for a relationship?

 

[gaymidget]

so even whores aren't willing to give up casual sex without status
they'll only fuck the guys with status then demand commitment from statusless guy?

Yeah basically. Why would you fuck a random dude if you can fuck someone famous who takes you to fancy restaurants, has an interesting lifestyle and looks as good as the random IT guy from a bar. The only advantage the IT guy has is that he could potentially provide commitment and really care about the girl while the famous guy just fucks around.

why would high class girls be a better option?
If you have to larp that you're willing to commit in order to get a slay, doesn't that just show that the ROI for trying to slay is very low and you're better off just looking for a relationship?

Cause low-class bitches are dumb and annoying and jerking off is better than having postnut clartiy next to a person you despise. high class girls are fun, interesting, smart and its genuienly nice to spend time with them beyond sex.
You could look for relationships, its not a bad deal at all. But men like sexual diversity and relationships are a cucked concept in 2024. Most girls will cheat or at least text with other guys behind your back. Or they will monkey branch 1-2 years later. Monogamous relationships only work if society is enforcing it. Nietzsche has a good paragraphe on it.