My Jaw Surgery Journey (Video and Pictures)

Im not really interested in slaying bro, im more interested in starting a business/investments.
Sounds like giga cope. You went through all the pain time and money invested just to "not be interested in slaying" and wanting to "start a business"? Subhuman creatures can start highly successful businesses. Something is wrong here.
 
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A good idea, I'm making a professional video on the 30th November for this Forum, but i could also make another video, just explaining my after thoughts (its very positive), I could also ask Dr Ramieri to create an indepth video on how he plans "face makeovers" and how he harmonises each individual feature.



Hi bro, yeah its coming together really well now, most of the swelling is coming down. Plan on making an update video on Friday 21st, would be interested in your thoughts.
that would be great. looking forward for both if possible, im not the only one that would like that since we dont have the kind of knowledge that a surgeon has.
 
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Sounds like giga cope. You went through all the pain time and money invested just to "not be interested in slaying" and wanting to "start a business"? Subhuman creatures can start highly successful businesses. Something is wrong here.
He’s probably still not really at the looks level to slay but he’s at the looks level to get a decent gf and get treated well by people generally which is still a massive improvement in quality of life
 
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He’s probably still not really at the looks level to slay but he’s at the looks level to get a decent gf and get treated well by people generally which is still a massive improvement in quality of life
yeah true, but it sounds like he will not take the effort of approaching and hustling with game. First you need the looks and then you need game+hustlers mentality. If you are real chad you can maybe skip the game and just exist.
 
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Sounds like giga cope. You went through all the pain time and money invested just to "not be interested in slaying" and wanting to "start a business"? Subhuman creatures can start highly successful businesses. Something is wrong here.
Increased life span with surgery
 
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Way better, but you still pay the curry tax -3 points. But you ascended
 
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Sounds like giga cope. You went through all the pain time and money invested just to "not be interested in slaying" and wanting to "start a business"? Subhuman creatures can start highly successful businesses. Something is wrong here.
Some of us aren't doing this for girls but doing this for ourselves. I've slept with girls, I've had fun with girls. I'm now in my mid 20's and want to focus on pursuing my band/business'. I'm getting Jaw Surgery done as soon as my life is together because my upper/lower jaw are recessive and 2 maxillofacial surgeons have told me I'd benefit from Bimax. I'm happy with frontal, just want my side profile to look better. For me.

This dude is the same, he's not doing it for girls, that's just an added perk, don't go chasing. If you're fixing your face solely to attract women you'll be very upset when you hit the real world. Yes, people will treat you better, yes you'll be more confident, but do it for you not for irrelevant girls. That comes naturally.
 
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Some of us aren't doing this for girls but doing this for ourselves. I've slept with girls, I've had fun with girls. I'm now in my mid 20's and want to focus on pursuing my band/business'. I'm getting Jaw Surgery done as soon as my life is together because my upper/lower jaw are recessive and 2 maxillofacial surgeons have told me I'd benefit from Bimax. I'm happy with frontal, just want my side profile to look better. For me.

This dude is the same, he's not doing it for girls, that's just an added perk, don't go chasing. If you're fixing your face solely to attract women you'll be very upset when you hit the real world. Yes, people will treat you better, yes you'll be more confident, but do it for you not for irrelevant girls. That comes naturally.
The only reason we are on this planet is reproduction and survival. If you are not doing every action in life to reproduce, you are doing it wrong.
 
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Yall am I bugging here or did OP go for subhuman to normie tier , yet everyone is acting like he's chadlite now ?
 
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Yall am I bugging here or did OP go for subhuman to normie tier , yet everyone is acting like he's chadlite now ?
Where did anyone claim that in the thread ?

Alos you say it like subhuman to HTN isn’t a massive improvement
 
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Yall am I bugging here or did OP go for subhuman to normie tier , yet everyone is acting like he's chadlite now ?
It was a massive improvement, it doesn't matter where op sits rating wise what matters is how much he ascended.
 
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It was a massive improvement, it doesn't matter where op sits rating wise what matters is how much he ascended.
If I have to play devil's advocate though, I think the overall change is being halo'ed a bit by other things he has done like that hair system. Also, old video was taken in slightly less favorable lighting. The improvement in his side and 3/4 are very impressive though. The only problem is his nose was botched with too much up turn.

It is a solid ascension though. I see how he would be treated much better by society now. Unfortunately, his SMV is still low due to phenotype and height.
 
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If I have to play devil's advocate though, I think the overall change is being halo'ed a bit by other things he has done like that hair system. Also, old video was taken in slightly less favorable lighting. The improvement in his side and 3/4 are very impressive though. The only problem is his nose was botched with too much up turn.
Yeah I see what you mean obviously op has had alot of work done, I havent looked at each surgery individually myself which op has had but I think the thread is more about the overall improvement in OPs appearance rather than anyone of his individual surgeries.

It is a solid ascension though. I see how he would be treated much better by society now. Unfortunately, his SMV is still low due to phenotype and height.
Yeah unfortunately we are dealt a set of cards and can only do so much, but I think it really shows just how brave op is and its very admirable what he has done. Quite inspirationally and its one of the reasons why I myself am going through my own journey.
 
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Yeah I see what you mean obviously op has had alot of work done, I havent looked at each surgery individually myself which op has had but I think the thread is more about the overall improvement in OPs appearance rather than anyone of his individual surgeries.


Yeah unfortunately we are dealt a set of cards and can only do so much, but I think it really shows just how brave op is and its very admirable what he has done. Quite inspirationally and its one of the reasons why I myself am going through my own journey.
OP is very resilient. I remember when he first posted his face on here. And one user told him he had a terrible ethnic phenotype and rated him 2 PSL. And immediately after surgery, people told him he looked like a tranny (because of swelling and the nose I guess).
 
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Amazing results; good job to Gaia and his surgeons, we could all hope to have such a result. +1.5 PSL? Worth it.

I'm interested in the breathing benefits, how do you feel Gaia? Better/deeper breathing?

I will also be investigating transverse expansion (palatial) prior to DJS for this reason alone.
 
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Amazing results; good job to Gaia and his surgeons, we could all hope to have such a result. +1.5 PSL? Worth it.

I'm interested in the breathing benefits, how do you feel Gaia? Better/deeper breathing?

I will also be investigating transverse expansion (palatial) prior to DJS for this reason alone.

Thanks bro :) breathing is better, i can run for longer distances without getting tired.

Sleeping is roughly the same, but i didn't have sleep apnea/impairement before.
 
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yes because women don't fall for it. no one ascends with surgery. imagine believing you can fraud subhuman genetics with a few added millimeters on the mandible

true

because you can't "slay", women still aren't attracted to you
But you're a perma virgin, so you would say that.

Those with nice facial harmony having a little enhancement will be more appealing/hygienic looking. I've seen it first-hand. My cousin's life was saved thanks to a simple Rhinoplasty. My friend in school got his ears pinned back, god what a life saver.

If you truly believe you can't make yourself look better with surgery, you're already beyond subhuman.
 
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But you're a perma virgin, so you would say that.

Those with nice facial harmony having a little enhancement will be more appealing/hygienic looking. I've seen it first-hand. My cousin's life was saved thanks to a simple Rhinoplasty. My friend in school got his ears pinned back, god what a life saver.

If you truly believe you can't make yourself look better with surgery, you're already beyond subhuman.
perma virgin is a user name :LOL:
If you truly believe you can make yourself look substantially better with surgery, you're already beyond subhuman and can't cope with it
 
perma virgin is a user name :LOL:
If you truly believe you can make yourself look substantially better with surgery, you're already beyond subhuman and can't cope with it
It's the opposite. If you're someone like Marilyn Monroe who knows ''Wow, a rhinoplasty completes my look'' then go for if. If you're completely subhuman, no point wasting time on surgery, right? by your standards.

I'm happy. I do good with girls, look good from the front, but it turns out both my upper/lower jaw are slightly recessive, I never really noticed it, I just figured I had a smallish jaw from the side. I play in a band and any image I receive of myself from my side profile I'm not all that keen on it, It doesn't look very masculine and looks quite anime-ish. Done some research, found out I'd benefit from Double Jaw Surgery, potentially minor jaw implants.

Random added benefits, reduces any nasolabial fold, makes my jaw/angles look stronger, fuller lips and healthier appearance, better breathing in the future.

Do I think the added extra bone will get me extra girls? Nope. Would I care? Nope. Do I know it'll make me look better? Absolutely. You can raise your eyes a bit and look better, you can grow your hair an inch and look better. Looks can change with the most minor of things.

If you have a flaw and fix it, of-course you'll look better. If you go in with no research and just randomly get shit done, you could end up looking worse too. It's like saying if you draw a shitty circle and rub it out to draw a better one that it's never going to look any better, which is false. Progression and research can go a long way at making things look better.
 
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perma virgin is a user name :LOL:
If you truly believe you can make yourself look substantially better with surgery, you're already beyond subhuman and can't cope with it
It's wrong to say you can't look better with surgery. It just won't turn you into a slayer most of the time
 
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Some of us aren't doing this for girls but doing this for ourselves. I've slept with girls, I've had fun with girls. I'm now in my mid 20's and want to focus on pursuing my band/business'. I'm getting Jaw Surgery done as soon as my life is together because my upper/lower jaw are recessive and 2 maxillofacial surgeons have told me I'd benefit from Bimax. I'm happy with frontal, just want my side profile to look better. For me.

This dude is the same, he's not doing it for girls, that's just an added perk, don't go chasing. If you're fixing your face solely to attract women you'll be very upset when you hit the real world. Yes, people will treat you better, yes you'll be more confident, but do it for you not for irrelevant girls. That comes naturally.
I've noticed over the years this forum has become hyperfocused on slaying and stopped talking about the various other benefits that being good looking will give you.
 
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The only reason we are on this planet is reproduction and survival. If you are not doing every action in life to reproduce, you are doing it wrong.
There is no real meaning to life. Yes, having children and building a family is fantastic but in todays day and age you HAVE to work. If you can benefit your life by succeeding in your dream, you're winning. Look your best, be your best, work your hardest and let the women come naturally.

People here aren't mentally capable of dating. They watch too much porn and act like complete basement dwellers. They need to get life experience first, get some hobbies and then they will attract the women that naturally gravitate towards who they are.
 
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I've noticed over the years this forum has become hyperfocused on slaying and stopped talking about the various other benefits that being good looking will give you.
Exactly. Nice to see an intelligent user here. We're considered greycels for actually having experience and understanding.

I'm here to look into jaw surgery to fix my recessive jaw, it's not super noticeable but still enough that I don't feel I look very masculine. I'm in my 20's, I don't want to be in my later 20's and 30's with a recessive jaw, it gets worse with age.

I've had girls and I've never chased, the only ones I've seen chasing lose, and it's obvious why they are chasing.

Yes, if you look good you'll maybe have more of a chance at getting girls, but my god these people need to learn that they still need to work on fucking social skills lmao. Its so noticeable just how they type and talk about people. Looking better can open up other realms of possibilities just because an employer/friend or business owner thought you looked pretty swell that day. Looking better looks like you're more hygienic/athletic and in turn will work harder. My pencil neck friend struggles to find work despite having been in University for 3 years, specifically because his natural appearance makes him look weaker/less approachable and harder to work with.

People need to start utilising looks for other things, then the girls come naturally.
 
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Yeah I see what you mean obviously op has had alot of work done, I havent looked at each surgery individually myself which op has had but I think the thread is more about the overall improvement in OPs appearance rather than anyone of his individual surgeries.


Yeah unfortunately we are dealt a set of cards and can only do so much, but I think it really shows just how brave op is and its very admirable what he has done. Quite inspirationally and its one of the reasons why I myself am going through my own journey.
ascension or death
 
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It's the opposite. If you're someone like Marilyn Monroe who knows ''Wow, a rhinoplasty completes my look'' then go for if. If you're completely subhuman, no point wasting time on surgery, right? by your standards.

I'm happy. I do good with girls, look good from the front, but it turns out both my upper/lower jaw are slightly recessive, I never really noticed it, I just figured I had a smallish jaw from the side. I play in a band and any image I receive of myself from my side profile I'm not all that keen on it, It doesn't look very masculine and looks quite anime-ish. Done some research, found out I'd benefit from Double Jaw Surgery, potentially minor jaw implants.

Random added benefits, reduces any nasolabial fold, makes my jaw/angles look stronger, fuller lips and healthier appearance, better breathing in the future.

Do I think the added extra bone will get me extra girls? Nope. Would I care? Nope. Do I know it'll make me look better? Absolutely. You can raise your eyes a bit and look better, you can grow your hair an inch and look better. Looks can change with the most minor of things.

If you have a flaw and fix it, of-course you'll look better. If you go in with no research and just randomly get shit done, you could end up looking worse too. It's like saying if you draw a shitty circle and rub it out to draw a better one that it's never going to look any better, which is false. Progression and research can go a long way at making things look better.
yea true tbh its either bimax or death
 
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People need to start utilising looks for other things, then the girls come naturally.

no they don't lol, as a guy unlike you're a literal gigachad you will need to put in a lot of effort usually to get a decent girl.

Guys can never just sit back with girls unless they're the literal 1% top-smv-range of guys. You need to looksmax, go out there, approach, deal with rejection, socialize, improve your game. A chad just sitting in the corner, pretending he's too good to "chase girls" will always waste his potential and risks getting cucked by the nt normie who approaches with confidence and abundance.

Our libido is what pushes us men forward, don't pretend otherwise
 
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yea true tbh its either bimax or death
If you have a decent jaw and a slightly recessed chin, look into a genioplasty/chin wing.

If you have a massive nose that you hate with a fantastic jaw, get a rhinoplasty.

Most people are here because they had something they were insecure about, we should be helping each other fix those things like Gaia does for us. We shouldn't be trying to bring one another down, but the thing is, you'll always have those people who just want to melt and wallow, but they can't do it alone, they must bring down as many others as they can.

If you need Bimax, get bimax. It'll save you. Medically and aesthetically.
 
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If you have a decent jaw and a slightly recessed chin, look into a genioplasty/chin wing.

If you have a massive nose that you hate with a fantastic jaw, get a rhinoplasty.

Most people are here because they had something they were insecure about, we should be helping each other fix those things like Gaia does for us. We shouldn't be trying to bring one another down, but the thing is, you'll always have those people who just want to melt and wallow, but they can't do it alone, they must bring down as many others as they can.

If you need Bimax, get bimax. It'll save you. Medically and aesthetically.
yea well I will be saved by ccwr trimax and ramus widening yea
 
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You are my hero! I will be forever grateful.
 
Op's facial harmony is off, I can't say how girls will react to that even with a significant improvement to his bone structure. He looks much better but I find it difficult to rate him. I would like to know how much of a difference surgeries have made to his life quality, how people in general treat him, how women treat him and whether he's desirable to women? @Gaia262 please let us know when you are online.
 
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no Pallet expansion beforehand for those lips tho????
 
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is there a cost for hospital stay
 
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No, my pallet was fine.



You get like 2 or 3 days included. I paid a extra for 5 days just to make sure.

You only need 2 or 3 days to be honest.
2 or 3 included in the 15k-20k range yes?
 
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Gaia you get botched bro?
 
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No bro, just missed my flight to Italy to shoot the video. So had to reschedule :(
Did you have some dental issues prior to bimax? Can I get jaw surgery even if I have some dental issues, including missing teeth (3) and a bad corssbite? I'd do braces after anyway.
 
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Did you have some dental issues prior to bimax? Can I get jaw surgery even if I have some dental issues, including missing teeth (3) and a bad corssbite? I'd do braces after anyway.

Hi bro, my bite was good prior to surgery. Its just both my jaws were small. I had a clinical short face.

There may be a pre-surgical orthodontic phase to move your teeth into the correct position for surgery.

If its something you want to do, it would be best to get a cephalometric scan or a CBCT scan before consulting with a surgeon.
 
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No bro, just missed my flight to Italy to shoot the video. So had to reschedule :(
That's the worst, especially when u got a fandom to entertain lol. Hope it wasn't too expensive to re-book and glad your still going to go thru with it. What are your thoughts so far? Has it shaped the lower third or still getting use to the new look?
 
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That's the worst, especially when u got a fandom to entertain lol. Hope it wasn't too expensive to re-book and glad your still going to go thru with it. What are your thoughts so far? Has it shaped the lower third or still getting use to the new look?

It is what it is, I don't want to let you guys down.

Dr Ramieri is covering all flights, hotel and other expenses for this.

I'm happy with the results it really is life changing. I have completely adapted to my new look.

My mind just thinks "this is what i was supposed to look like" basically just the "best version of my own self" which should be the outcome of reconstructive surgery.
 
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It is what it is, I don't want to let you guys down.

Dr Ramieri is covering all flights, hotel and other expenses for this.

I'm happy with the results it really is life changing. I have completely adapted to my new look.

My mind just thinks "this is what i was supposed to look like" basically just the "best version of my own self" which should be the outcome of reconstructive surgery.
Wow that is good of Dr Ramieri.

I would love to know details about difference in treatment from people, women etc. Do you plan on talking about this here?

Glad to hear it's all gone well mate.
 
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It is what it is, I don't want to let you guys down.

Dr Ramieri is covering all flights, hotel and other expenses for this.

I'm happy with the results it really is life changing. I have completely adapted to my new look.

My mind just thinks "this is what i was supposed to look like" basically just the "best version of my own self" which should be the outcome of reconstructive surgery.
What are you getting done with Ramieri?

It's surprising he's covering your costs. Why would he do that?
 
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I'm happy with the results it really is life changing.
Crying tears


You deserve everything coming your way. Going into 2023 as a mogging machine bhai
 
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Wow that is good of Dr Ramieri.

I would love to know details about difference in treatment from people, women etc. Do you plan on talking about this here?

Glad to hear it's all gone well mate.

Thanks bro, Yeah its something I need to talk about as I know alot of people want to know this. I will need to make a really indepth report on this to give people real knowledge, but to sum it up you are essentially "levelled up"


What are you getting done with Ramieri?

It's surprising he's covering your costs. Why would he do that?

Dr Ramieri is very aware of this forum and receives huge demand from this thread. Alot of members on here are emailing him for consults and surgeries.
 
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Dr Ramieri is covering all flights, hotel and other expenses for this.
nvm read through the new posts of this thread.
 
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