Natty training on weight lifting is a joke

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Don’t lift weight’s if your going to expect a good physique attainable in less then 3 year’s because for 99% of the male population it’s going to take 10+ year’s of natural training with no supplement’s and clean eating + Disciplined routine to even get near close to god tier pussy soaking physique’s like David laid,Jeff seid, and Jon Skywalker.

If you are not prepared for the extremely stoic discipline lifestyle of natty training then just don’t bother lifting.

Instead focusing on other more important aspect’s such as leanmaxxing for a better looking face since face is 100x more important then body. Height is nothing you can do beside’s blasting HGH so don’t bother with something you cannot change.

 

[LightSkinNoob]

Agreed natty lifting is a joke, even as a genetic outlier

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Lower IQ on average than the country of Nigeria.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Agreed natty lifting is a joke, even as a genetic outlier

Just the chance of being that 1% would just be based off muscle building gene’s and not other MORE important aspect’s to a more female gazed physique such as wide Clavicle and narrow hip’s

 

[Gandy]

3-5 years natty lifting is enough for a physique that satisfies 99.9% of women on apps.
Many things about your body are out your control anyway, like clavicle width (which along with narrow hips makes for a very aesthetic male body whether you lift or not)

The harder part is keeping low body fat year round, natty or roided.

I do agree that in 1-2 years you will barely see any changes natty and that can be discouraging.
When people injecting test get the results in 3 months

I will probably inject when I'm way older (like 40+) since there is nothing to lose at that point.
When you're younger the notable risk of hair loss and collagen damage is a big downside. Potential gyno is a downside.
(Roid gut is also a big downside but will not affect most casual users)

Failed PCT can also lead to permanent hormonal issues like never having your dick work again.

Nevertheless, I think I will use steroids when older.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Lower IQ on average than the country of Nigeria.

Keep coping bro lol natty lifting is such a waste of time just be tall and good looking bro

 

[Foreverbrad]

It's not going to take 10 years.

You'll simply never get there. Natty gains are maxed out in a couple of years if you really train hard and are mainly down to genetics.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

3-5 years natty lifting is enough for a physique that satisfies 99.9% of women on apps.

The harder part is keeping low body fat year round, natty or roided.

I do agree that in 1-2 years you will barely see any changes natty and that can be discouraging.

I will probably inject when I'm way older (like 40+) since there is nothing to lose at that point.
When you're younger the notable risk of hair loss and collagen damage is a big downside. Potential gyno is a downside.

Failed PCT can also lead to permanent hormonal issues like never having your dick work again.

Nevertheless, I do think I'll use steroids when older.

This is for like the average person but no one in reality is going to have that much time 4-5x a week clean eating and working out. Only some incel outcast has that much time i mean thars why gym is associated with ugly looking men who are short in the first place…

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

It's not going to take 10 years.

You'll simply never get there. Natty gains are maxed out in a couple of years if you really train hard and are mainly down to genetics.

The bad genetic’s would take 10 years the average would get 4-6 year’s maxxed out skeletal muscle mass

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Keep coping bro lol natty lifting is such a waste of time just be tall and good looking bro

Hahaha this is prolly coming from someone who hasn't touched the gym for over two years straight haha.
Let me guess no gym for face?
Also you just tried to disapprove what I said by saying "just be tall and goodlooking bro" aka using extremities to win a general argument hahaha.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Hahaha this is prolly coming from someone who hasn't touched the gym for over two years straight haha.
Let me guess no gym for face?
Also you just tried to disapprove what I said by saying "just be tall and goodlooking bro" aka using extremities to win a general argument hahaha.

They are genetic qualities which are biologically valued as highest sexual dimorphism. Girl’s are hardwired through evolution to pick male’s with genetic trait’s that can’t be physically changed.

Gymcelling is the most tryhard thing girl’s view as sub-consciouly

 

[Deleted member 18361]

the natty gymmaxxers are too low iq to be capable of finding a reliable steroid source anyway tbh

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Hahaha this is prolly coming from someone who hasn't touched the gym for over two years straight haha.
Let me guess no gym for face?
Also you just tried to disapprove what I said by saying "just be tall and goodlooking bro" aka using extremities to win a general argument hahaha.

For your answer ive been going to gym for 1 year previously and after stopping and leanmaxxing recieved 100x more attention from women then “JUST LIFT BRO” at the gym

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Two-Three years of actually clean eating and hard lifting will put you at a better physique than 99% percent of the population you believe this won't help the average 5 9 normie at all or to the point where it's worse than what you said to do? Your advice is to rather starve to 130 pounds and get "lean" aka twink frame and get mogged even brutally by other men. hahahahahahahaha

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

the natty gymmaxxers are too low iq to be capable of finding a reliable steroid source anyway tbh

Its just gymcel’s think that girls actually are attracted too muscular bodies. Girls legit like soccer player physiques which correlated 6 pack visbile abs with leaness in the face

 

[MakinMogReturns]

For your answer ive been going to gym for 1 year previously and after stopping and leanmaxxing recieved 100x more attention from women then “JUST LIFT BRO” at the gym

Oh so this is based on anecdotal evidence makes sense.

 

[Gandy]

This is for like the average person but no one in reality is going to have that much time 4-5x a week clean eating and working out. Only some incel outcast has that much time i mean thars why gym is associated with ugly looking men who are short in the first place…

Getting in good shape as a natty then staying there is a rich idle mans hobby. I do agree with you on that.
It just takes too much time, money and effort for a normal office drone or worker.

Most lifters, natty or not, are not good looking no matter how much they train.

It's still a great way for an ugly man to boost his SMV a bit. There is a small niche of women who like lean buff guys even if their face is not good looking.

And I also agree getting lean (and having your facial bones and jawline pop out) will get you 100x more attention than a little bit of muscle you can't mostly see when wearing clothes (for true visibility under clothes you need to get huge)

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Two-Three years of actually clean eating and hard lifting will put you at a better physique than 99% percent of the population you believe this won't help the average 5 9 normie at all or to the point where it's worse than what you said to do? Your advice is to rather starve to 130 pounds and get "lean" aka twink frame and get mogged even brutally by other men. hahahahahahahaha

Who said starving yourself was leanmaxxing ? Clearly exageratted eat in a caloric deficet to maintain current genetic muscle mass and no 5”9 normie is still a 5”9 normie with a body he has achieved through slavery work.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Getting in good shape as a natty then staying there is a rich idle mans hobby. I do agree with you on that.

Most lifters, natty or not, are not good looking no matter how much they train.

It's still a great way for an ugly man to boost his SMV a bit. There is a small niche of women who like lean buff guys even if their face is not good looking.

I agree with a small niche that making 10% of the female population which i would assume the average is a MTB max.

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Who said starving yourself was leanmaxxing ? Clearly exageratted eat in a caloric deficet to maintain current genetic muscle mass and no 5”9 normie is still a 5”9 normie with a body he has achieved through slavery work. View attachment 1920769

It was a play on words I don't have time for semantics. The average 5 9 normie male in America needs to get a body like this for max appeal

You cannot get this from leanmax. You get this body from 1-3 years in the gym. Keep avoiding the gym son.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

It was a play on words I don't have time for semantics. The average 5 9 normie male in America needs to get a body like this for max appeal View attachment 1920770 You cannot get this from leanmax. You get this body from 1-3 years in the gym. Keep avoiding the gym son.

Just show a female gaze good looking male face with a lean body with average muscle mass theory…

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

It was a play on words I don't have time for semantics. The average 5 9 normie male in America needs to get a body like this for max appeal View attachment 1920770 You cannot get this from leanmax. You get this body from 1-3 years in the gym. Keep avoiding the gym son.

Not to mention average frame… and top tier female gaze face for every single age group

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

It was a play on words I don't have time for semantics. The average 5 9 normie male in America needs to get a body like this for max appeal View attachment 1920770 You cannot get this from leanmax. You get this body from 1-3 years in the gym. Keep avoiding the gym son.

You proved my theory that being lean is correlated with a good looking face too ? His body is nothing special lol and those tat’s give him halo boost. You think he worked hard in the gym for those tat’s ? Hes DYEL profile too what a shit example

 

[MakinMogReturns]

You proved my theory that being lean is correlated with a good looking face too ? His body is nothing special lol and those tat’s give him halo boost. You think he worked hard in the gym for those tat’s ? Hes DYEL profile too what a shit example

Nigga what are you on about you are moving the goal post obviously being lean is better than fat and bulky, but you still need muscle mass dumbo. His body is achievable through 1-3 years of gym. We are talking about his body not tats keep moving the goal post.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Nigga what are you on about you are moving the goal post obviously being lean is better than fat and bulky, but you still need muscle mass dumbo. His body is achievable through 1-3 years of gym. We are talking about his body not tats keep moving the goal post.

Not moving i just added a point to make that your showing me someone with the average muscle mass who just leanmaxxed. And you think thats worth pursuing ? a average male body with normal muscle mass that’s lean ?

 

[Artemis]

It was a play on words I don't have time for semantics. The average 5 9 normie male in America needs to get a body like this for max appeal View attachment 1920770 You cannot get this from leanmax. You get this body from 1-3 years in the gym. Keep avoiding the gym son.

TBH, I highly suspect him pinning

AND even if the average normie pins, he willl not get the above, because look at the fucker's clavicles...

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Not moving i just added a point to make that your showing me someone with the average muscle mass who just leanmaxxed. And you think thats worth pursuing ? a average male body with normal muscle mass that’s lean ?

HAHAHAHA so your moving the goal post again his body is "leanmaxed" what is you definition of "leanmaxed"?

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

natty is enough, especially for jb

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Not moving i just added a point to make that your showing me someone with the average muscle mass who just leanmaxxed. And you think thats worth pursuing ? a average male body with normal muscle mass that’s lean ?

How is he lean the fucker is near 13% body fat. Hahahahaha

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

HAHAHAHA so your moving the goal post again his body is "leanmaxed" what is you definition of "leanmaxed"?

10-12% body fat

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

How is he lean the fucker is near 13% body fat. Hahahahaha

Did you guess he is 13% ?

 

[Artemis]

TBH, BODY is a GREAT halo.

You CAN slay with a good body and butterface. You just need to choose the right places for this, since you need to "advertise" your physique.

This guy can slay off of his body:

Despite having a LTN/MTN face, and probably terrible height since asian.

PS. BTW, Who knows? How many mg Test Enanthate is the above per week, an how long? ^

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

HAHAHAHA so your moving the goal post again his body is "leanmaxed" what is you definition of "leanmaxed"?

My goal post clearly states that david laid type of physique is not achievable natty without balding and skin conditions

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Did you guess he is 13% ?

I made an inference of course, zero way in hell he is 10 or under.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

TBH, BODY is a GREAT halo.

You CAN slay with a good body and butterface. You just need to choose the right places for this, since you need to "advertise" your physique.

This guy can slay off of his body:

Despite having a LTN/MTN face, and probably terrible height since asian.

No body can just not physically and emotionally attract compared to A tall good looking man

 

[MakinMogReturns]

My goal post clearly states that david laid type of physique is not achievable natty without balding and skin conditions

Water
You moved it three times so far.

 

[MakinMogReturns]

No body can just not physically and emotionally attract compared to A tall good looking man

Again using extremities when talking about a general subject predictable.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

natty is enough, especially for jb

you can achieve the same with steroids but way less effort

even if we get physique out the question, they still benefit you

ranging from personality, aura, increased blood flow = better nutrient & energy circulation to hair, better coloring, masc face, improved memory, etc

not even sure why im telling you this tbh. better i keep it myself and help ppl who are on the right track..

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

Laid and Jeff seid physique are not obtainable natty.

In natural bodybuilding as a whole is a scam. Natural bodybuilding is just staying fit. You'd be shocked by how many guys can't even do 3 chin ups or dips.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Water
You moved it three times so far.

read thread

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Again using extremities when talking about a general subject predictable.

thats what girls want… extremeties … bluepilled fucker this is 2022 not 2005 anymore girls only want top 1% now

 

[MakinMogReturns]

you can achieve the same with steroids but way less effort

even if we get physique out the question, they still benefit you

ranging from personality, aura, increased blood flow = better nutrient & energy circulation to hair, better coloring, masc face, improved memory, etc

not even sure why im telling you this tbh. better i keep it myself and help ppl who are on the right track..

Nigga acting like he found the fountain of youth but he just found water hahaha.

 

[Artemis]

No body can just not physically and emotionally attract compared to A tall good looking man

THis is not true.

There is literally a study here somewhere, that Body has THE SAME LEVEL of importance AS FACE. Of course, both face and body fall behind height, but this is irrelevant to this argument.

The ISSUE many gymcels encounter is that they STILL have to have a good frame: no matter how much you train, small clavicles/large hips = death. AND still, you need the RIGHT places to meet women.

A gymcel trying to meet women in a Cafe is the same retarded guy who tries to slay with his 8/10 FACE in a night club, where HEIGHT is ALL that matters (face is not visible in the dark). Best environments for a gymcel to slay women: group sports where women participate, beach, the street of tropical countries...

If you guys have bad physique, stop bashing it. A good body DOES WORK. A top 0.0001% body, like the guy i posted above, DRIVES EVEN AN INCEL 4-5/10 TO chadlite.

 

[MakinMogReturns]

thats what girls want… extremeties … bluepilled fucker this is 2022 not 2005 anymore girls only want top 1% now

But we are talking about how the average male can increase smv not how he gets mogged by the top 1% using water is not a good argument buddy.

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

But we are talking about how the average male can increase smv not how he gets mogged by the top 1% using water is not a good argument buddy.

Its not about mogging… its literally about slaying… Girls dont fucking care about you body

 

[MakinMogReturns]

Its not about mogging… its literally about slaying… Girls dont fucking care about you body

Hahahahaha tell that to the normies that gymcel and then slay after 2-3 years very common occurrence explain it.

 

[Deleted member 18361]

Nigga acting like he found the fountain of youth but he just found water hahaha.

its sad how you still havent noticed how fucked you are

pig nosed creepy looking manlet

even with 1000 mg/dl T, shredded physique, height mog u to death, id still run from you if i saw you

ur eyes are not a blessing, its a curse

 

[Bonesbonesbonesbone]

Hahahahaha tell that to the normies that gymcel and then slay after 2-3 years very common occurrence explain it.

They slay because of better confidence … girls arent physically attracted to “physiques” its all a pesudo

 

[Artemis]

Laid and Jeff seid physique are not obtainable natty.

In natural bodybuilding as a whole is a scam. Natural bodybuilding is just staying fit. You'd be shocked by how many guys can't even do 3 chin ups or dips.

It is actually quite funny.

I often did pull ups at the gym, and i was not even close to the physiques some people here have. I just have "broadish" shoulders and Im just mildly lean (~12%). I literally had 3-4 older women (around 40) approaching me multiple times and asking if im the "trainer" there...

It is because it was the first time they saw a LEAN guy doing TWENTY pull ups in a row... while other "gymcels" still trying to bench press some bullshit 100kg, while their belly falling from their pants

 

[MakinMogReturns]

its sad how you still havent noticed how fucked you are

pig nosed creepy looking manlet

even with 1000 mg/dl T, shredded physique, height mog u to death, id still run from you if i saw you

ur eyes are not a blessing, its a curse

Hahahaha I take nothing you say serious since you don't show our balkan face funny how I am a manlet at average height on this website.