Not sure if this applies, but how do you set up an orthodontic surgery or appointment, and how long does it take

[cannibaloid]

Which app would you recommend or download ?

Doesn’t matter

 

[cannibaloid]

Also I use mouth tape in my sleep should I sleep without it to record it ?

Yes sleep without it

 

[Dan0]

Doesn’t matter

Yes sleep without it

If it turns out I snore does that mean I have sleep apnea? And does it matter if I’m loud ?

 

[vermicel]

bsso n genio

submental plane lift

This is probably the way to go. BSSO + genioplasty (vertical/downgraft ?) + neck lift.
If his nose doesn't allow proper breathing, depending on the type of issue, he might need a complementary septoplasty /septorhinoplasty / palate expander / segmental LF1.

How do I achieve this ?

You can't. Those are not realistic morphs.
Here's a closer rendition of what you might achieve with a BSSO, genioplasty, and neck lift :

Here's the same as above + cartilage graft to the tip and radix in order to achieve a straight nose :

A third and final morph, including all the above + depigmented or fuller periorbital area. This could be achieved with a specific laser treatment, fat grafting, or infraorbital implant ; only one of them, or a combination of them. You'll have to consult with oculoplastic surgeons to shed some light on the matter.

Keep in mind that sideprofilemaxxing is partially cope. One doesn't need an ideal side profile to be regarded as good-looking. Front profile matters more, so focus on that instead.

To illustrate my point, here are the side profiles of successful international models :

As you can see, it ranges from mild lack of forward growth to downright extreme retrusion. Yet, they make a living out of their looks, because they look good from the front. If that works for professional models, why wouldn't it work for you ?

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

I don’t think ur orbital vector is negative

Oh cmon, the dude has the worst infras you could have. This is the most negative orbital vector you could pretty much have.

And yes you would benefit from DJS hands down.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

As you can see, it ranges from mild lack of forward growth to downright extreme retrusion. Yet, they make a living out of their looks, because they look good from the front. If that works for professional models, why wouldn't it work for you ?

Idk if it is the same case for the OP, but for me I've been so insecure about my side profile my whole life. Idgaf if it will benefit my front a lot (though it probably will), I just want to get rid of that insecurity and be confident in my side profile.

Im getting a lefort

 

[Dan0]

This is probably the way to go. BSSO + genioplasty (vertical/downgraft ?) + neck lift.
If his nose doesn't allow proper breathing, depending on the type of issue, he might need a complementary septoplasty /septorhinoplasty / palate expander / segmental LF1.


You can't. Those are not realistic morphs.
Here's a closer rendition of what you might achieve with a BSSO, genioplasty, and neck lift :

View attachment 5545496

Here's the same as above + cartilage graft to the tip and radix in order to achieve a straight nose :

View attachment 5545545

A third and final morph, including all the above + depigmented or fuller periorbital area. This could be achieved with a specific laser treatment, fat grafting, or infraorbital implant ; only one of them, or a combination of them. You'll have to consult with oculoplastic surgeons to shed some light on the matter.

View attachment 5545566

Keep in mind that sideprofilemaxxing is partially cope. One doesn't need an ideal side profile to be regarded as good-looking. Front profile matters more, so focus on that instead.

To illustrate my point, here are the side profiles of successful international models :
View attachment 5545510View attachment 5545511View attachment 5545512View attachment 5545516View attachment 5545518
As you can see, it ranges from mild lack of forward growth to downright extreme retrusion. Yet, they make a living out of their looks, because they look good from the front. If that works for professional models, why wouldn't it work for you ?

Don’t forget Vito

 

[Dan0]

Idk if it is the same case for the OP, but for me I've been so insecure about my side profile my whole life. Idgaf if it will benefit my front a lot (though it probably will), I just want to get rid of that insecurity and be confident in my side profile.

Im getting a lefort

Bro same

 

[Dan0]

Yes sleep without it

I recorded it here’s what I got

 

[Dan0]

This is probably the way to go. BSSO + genioplasty (vertical/downgraft ?) + neck lift.
If his nose doesn't allow proper breathing, depending on the type of issue, he might need a complementary septoplasty /septorhinoplasty / palate expander / segmental LF1.


You can't. Those are not realistic morphs.
Here's a closer rendition of what you might achieve with a BSSO, genioplasty, and neck lift :

View attachment 5545496

Here's the same as above + cartilage graft to the tip and radix in order to achieve a straight nose :

View attachment 5545545

A third and final morph, including all the above + depigmented or fuller periorbital area. This could be achieved with a specific laser treatment, fat grafting, or infraorbital implant ; only one of them, or a combination of them. You'll have to consult with oculoplastic surgeons to shed some light on the matter.

View attachment 5545566

Keep in mind that sideprofilemaxxing is partially cope. One doesn't need an ideal side profile to be regarded as good-looking. Front profile matters more, so focus on that instead.

To illustrate my point, here are the side profiles of successful international models :
View attachment 5545510View attachment 5545511View attachment 5545512View attachment 5545516View attachment 5545518
As you can see, it ranges from mild lack of forward growth to downright extreme retrusion. Yet, they make a living out of their looks, because they look good from the front. If that works for professional models, why wouldn't it work for you ?

What would be the highest I could ascend ? Like would I steal reach HTN ?

 

[Gittes]

I remember when .org used to commonly have threads about actual surgeries. Now it's devolved into "how to book a doctor's appointment". Total dumpster fire of site now.

 

[cannibaloid]

I recorded it here’s what I got

Do this for a week or two bro, a day wont cut it

 

[Dan0]

Do this for a week or two bro, a day wont cut it

Aight

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

I remember when .org used to commonly have threads about actual surgeries. Now it's devolved into "how to book a doctor's appointment". Total dumpster fire of site now.

When I was a lurker back in late 2023 / earlier 2024, I saw a dude who made gazillion posts about his eye area asking for a specific rating about his eye area, and when anyone gave him anything below chadlite he crashed out and called them envious fucks.

 

[Gittes]

When I was a lurker back in late 2023 / earlier 2024, I saw a dude who made gazillion posts about his eye area asking for a specific rating about his eye area, and when anyone gave him anything below chadlite he crashed out and called them envious fucks.

This place has always been a partial mental asylum - it was just less shit - and had more users who had actually done things. The user base is too young.

 

[IDontBlameAnybody]

This place has always been a partial mental asylum - it was just less shit - and had more users who had actually done things. The user base is too young.

I completely agree, even though I'm blackpilled as shit and gotten 3 surgeries already, I wish I could turn this shitty part of my brain off sometimes that tells me that everything bad that happens is due to my looks. I wish I was just more social and stopped caring as much.

I call myself a very practical person that purely relies on reality, but if anything even a tad bit disproves blackpill in real life or shows, that everything aint just black and white, like an average dude being with a pretty girl, my brain refuses to accept it.

 

[gravlek]

When I was a lurker back in late 2023 / earlier 2024, I saw a dude who made gazillion posts about his eye area asking for a specific rating about his eye area, and when anyone gave him anything below chadlite he crashed out and called them envious fucks.

It’s the jimbobson505 guy right? lol, randomly came across a post of his

https://looksmax.org/threads/few-people-realize-that-a-backward-grown-neck-is-more-important-than-a-forward-grown-face-foramen-magnum-location-theory.156373/post-2735511

while reading some high iq theory by @thecel the other day and got instant flashbacks to his posting rampage. @Simikz is 2026 him, but reincarnated basically

I remember him getting an upper eye bleph for like 5k and still looking like exactly the same


Look at this chad:

 

[gravlek]

This place has always been a partial mental asylum - it was just less shit - and had more users who had actually done things. The user base is too young.

There were plenty of young users back then too. The difference in my eyes however simply has to do with the source of these demographics. Normies from clavTok/syrianpsychoTok joining this forum are obviously more likely to be low iq and lazy, versus the original users of this site who kinda found out about this site through shitty life experiences or an awareness of the bp. Subsequently, they took more action as this stuff isn’t a mere ‘meme’ to them

 

[Dan0]

There were plenty of young users back then too. The difference in my eyes however simply has to do with the source of these demographics. Normies from clavTok/syrianpsychoTok joining this forum are obviously more likely to be low iq and lazy, versus the original users of this site who kinda found out about this site through shitty life experiences or an awareness of the bp. Subsequently, they took more action as this stuff isn’t a mere ‘meme’ to them

I just want to improve man

 

[gravlek]

I just want to improve man

Yeah I get that, don’t we all?

But brutal iq pill for you. Not trying to bash you or be mean, but imagine asking ‘how to get surgery or set up an appointment’. That’s easiest thing about all of this surgery shit, so if that’s already challenging idk if this shit is for you as there will be more hurdles to get over when pursuing surgeries/hardmaxxing.

If you’re still interested: You should take the next few months to go through the entire forum’s best surgery/theory posts and just study it all until you have a better understanding of surgeries.

Then, start looking a bit more critical at your face and try to decipher not only what’s wrong, but why it’s wrong. That will guide you towards the procedures that you actually need, not the procedures that are just being dropped like buzzwords but without any actual relevant content to your case.

Usually, it’s said on here that there are no shortcuts to learning about surgeries/facial skull anatomy as an answer to the question of ‘how to become more competent in judging what surgeries you need or create an eye for aesthetics’, and I agree with that. The most important thing however is your mindset and attitude in trying to change your situation around.

No one is coming to save you

That’s just my two cents bhai

Maybe also look into learned helplessness, you remind me of an old friend of mine who’s kinda like you

 

[Dan0]

Yeah I get that, don’t we all?

But brutal iq pill for you. Not trying to bash you or be mean, but imagine asking ‘how to get surgery or set up an appointment’. That’s easiest thing about all of this surgery shit, so if that’s already challenging idk if this shit is for you as there will be more hurdles to get over when pursuing surgeries/hardmaxxing.

If you’re still interested: You should take the next few months to go through the entire forum’s best surgery/theory posts and just study it all until you have a better understanding of surgeries.
View attachment 5553359
Then, start looking a bit more critical at your face and try to decipher not only what’s wrong, but why it’s wrong. That will guide you towards the procedures that you actually need, not the procedures that are just being dropped like buzzwords but without any actual relevant content to your case.

Usually, it’s said on here that there are no shortcuts to learning about surgeries/facial skull anatomy as an answer to the question of ‘how to become more competent in judging what surgeries you need or create an eye for aesthetics’, and I agree with that. The most important thing however is your mindset and attitude in trying to change your situation around.

No one is coming to save you

That’s just my two cents bhai

Maybe also look into learned helplessness, you remind me of an old friend of mine who’s kinda like you

How should I approach my face and analyze myself to improve ? I want to do my best !

 

[gravlek]

How should I approach my face and analyze myself to improve ? I want to do my best !

Bruh, did I just write all that for nothing?

You should take the next few months to go through the entire forum’s best surgery/theory posts and just study it all until you have a better understanding of surgeries.

scroll to craniology and go through all the threads in that section, ideally the whole BOTB:

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[Dan0]

Bruh, did I just write all that for nothing?

scroll to craniology and go through all the threads in that section, ideally the whole BOTB:

Good Threads You Might've Missed [MEGATHREAD]

Last Updated: January 2025 Introduction & Table of Contents Welcome to this collection of valuable threads that might not have made it into the BOTB (Best of the Best) section, but are still too good to lose over time. This megathread is intended to keep these hidden gems accessible for...

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My bad I’m kinda slow