PUA Cold Approaching Is Fundamentally Flawed

[Tr0ubLe]

Good point

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

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Who are these guys?

 

[wristcel]

Who are these guys?

they were/are day game pickup coaches.
One in the blue top was called 'Yad' from memory.

 

[dr_looksmax]

That's the average life journey of a longtime user here.

We just realised Looksmaxing is mostly cope and will improve your SMV very little (of course if you get surgery for a legit clinically DEFORMED jaw, that's entirely different)

Does being HTN with a 7mm overbite count

 

[colton myers]

Many subhumans are miserable with their lack of romantic success and consequently start searching "how to get a girlfriend" on Youtube.
Through these searches, they will come across PUA, specifically "cold approaching" on the street or anywhere in the general public.

The Irony: The most romantically challenged men are immersing themselves in the most difficult practice of getting women.

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A naive pua student thinking that even though girls he interacts with regularly can't become sexually attracted to him, a stranger can in an instant.


Fundamental Flaw of Cold Approaching

"When approaching a girl randomly for a brief interaction, the only thing she can go by is your looks. She doesn't know you, she hasn't spent enough time with you to trust you, she's startled since you caught her off guard, she doesn't have any friends vouching for you, etc. You're a complete stranger, so unless you're hot, she's not taking the risk of going out with you."

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A first person perspective of a woman being approached by an utter subhuman


Good News

Many girls, and I'm sure some of you, have found themselves becoming attracted to someone they initially didn't think was that attractive. You can see this yourself by going outside and seeing sub8's with girlfriends. So it's not completely over for you if you're sub8. But this took time, it took long conversation, it took a long time of interaction.

"But if I don't make my intentions clear from the start, I'll get friend zoned! That's what RSD Douchebag taught me!"

Wrong. If you make your intentions clear from the start and you're ugly...

You're literally creating a real life version of Tinder: "Am I hot enough or not?" - girl has to answer on the spot. And we know what the answer usually is based on Tinder statistics.

That's a recipe for failure if you're ugly. You actually WANT to spend a long time with a girl so she can build a personal and emotional connection to you, which then can make your ugly face more attractive to her at some point. This is the Mere Exposure Effect.

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Notes:

1. You still need to "approach" (initiate conversation is a better way of putting it), but just do it in more natural situations. Not this random street spam shit. Cold approaching is like spam email.

2. "You're just a defeatist! You don't want to face rejection! You don't want to put in the effort!" Wrong. This post is actually helping ugly guys by telling them the RIGHT way of getting girls that has a much higher success rate.

3. If you're a truecel and not NT, nothing will work.

I seriously don't approach women until ther approach me, I hate to lose my self respect for a 10 min pleasure,
If I wanted I would fuck some escorts

 

[finn899]

I seriously don't approach women until ther approach me, I hate to lose my self respect for a 10 min pleasure,
If I wanted I would fuck some escorts

didnt work out for elliot rodgers

 

[Germania]

they were/are day game pickup coaches.
One in the blue top was called 'Yad' from memory.

The guys approach hundreds and thousands of women and of course at some point they are successful with some woman who is below average in attractiveness and then feel like "seduction artist". These dudes have a success rate of 1%, rather less.
In Germany we say "Even a blind chicken can find a grain every now and then."

 

[TrestIsBest]

Yeah agreed. Meeting women in a social context (school, uni, hobbies etc.) is so much easier. If you are decently looking and have social skills, chance are you the biggest fish in a small pond (far from all women use online dating and have super inflated standards in my experience, as opposed to what is preached on this website (but I have to mention I study law where there is a 60-40 women/men ratio))

 

[TrestIsBest]

The guys approach hundreds and thousands of women and of course at some point they are successful with some woman who is below average in attractiveness and then feel like "seduction artist". These dudes have a success rate of 1%, rather less.
In Germany we say "Even a blind chicken can find a grain every now and then."

They might even get lucky with a moderately attractive girl once in a while tbh if they try often enough. But still not worth the effort, all the the rejection and the potential reputational damage

 

[colton myers]

didnt work out for elliot rodgers

Elliot rodger wad the definition of delusional human being also he didn't had any passion
But I have a passion

 

[finn899]

Elliot rodger wad the definition of delusional human being also he didn't had any passion
But I have a passion

bro respectuflly if your average looking walking around in public delusion thinking girls are gonna approach you ,i thuink you need a reality check

 

[Shkreliii]

They might even get lucky with a moderately attractive girl once in a while tbh if they try often enough. But still not worth the effort, all the the rejection and the potential reputational damage

segment of my autistic essay:
You may ask yourself, well what about all of the pictures i found of ugly men being with attractive women, i advice the person to head to the comments of the video or the photo, and they will quickly realize all the comments read out in the typical fashion of backhanded doubt such as
“How did he do that! i'm so jealous ”
“He does not deserve her ”
“Tell me his secrets!”
the final irony of these comments are because of the notion that the blue pill assumes personality matters more than looks, therefore these videos should’ve never become viral because of the looks difference to begin with, to amplify my logic, tell me why these videos are popular? there’s no difference between ugly/good looking couples to the bluepillers mindset.

there's thousands of these types of couples which is normal. people have different outlooks on their life. the thing is however, no matter how many of these outlier couples you can find, it still doesn’t remove the fact that the attractive woman has the chance of seeking a higher looks male, which often happens with oofy doofy’s, The possibility is always there no matter the reasons the woman has chosen to stay with the male.

 

[wristcel]

The guys approach hundreds and thousands of women and of course at some point they are successful with some woman who is below average in attractiveness and then feel like "seduction artist". These dudes have a success rate of 1%, rather less.
In Germany we say "Even a blind chicken can find a grain every now and then."

They might even get lucky with a moderately attractive girl once in a while tbh if they try often enough. But still not worth the effort, all the the rejection and the potential reputational damage

you're both right, of course.
I was kind of in that world for a while. night game. Never day game.
Made a tonne of appraoches.
Learnt everything about 'game' and soon realised it is NOT a skill. It's a 'numbers game'. Even for any top PUA 'Coach' you can name,
They all get rejected a tonne despite all of their 'game' and knowledge (unless they are very good looking)

And yes, you CAN get lucky with a very hot girl through sheer luck/numbers game. I've banged some super hot girls despite not being good looking. (and of course I also ate a million rejections!) - In the end I thought of it as a game of 'finding the unicorn'. The 'unicorn' being a girl who is way young and way hotter than me, who is sociable and friendly with strangers, and who inexplicably thought my ugly ass was good looking and so was willing to let me bang

 

[eduardkoopman]

These dudes have a success rate of 1%, rather less.

less than 1% for almost sure, at that looks level of that dude. Especially since in these videos, they always tend to hit on women that are average looking or better than that. If he hit on his level, like he hits on 3/10 looks kind of women. than he can reach the 1% yeah.

I seriously don't approach women until ther approach me, I hate to lose my self respect for a 10 min pleasure,
If I wanted I would fuck some escorts

Your reason, for losing self-resepct, is imo ilogical as hell.
you lose a sense of self respect, when getting rejected when chatting up a woman.
But you don't lose any self respect, when you have to give a woman lets say 250 dollars, to let you hit it. Because she wouldn't want to have sex with you for free, because she finds you to ugly.

either;
lose a sense of self respect for both.
or lose no self respect for neither.

I personally would suggest . to not lose self respect for neither. not when getting rejected not when buying escort.

Elliot rodger wad the definition of delusional human being also he didn't had any passion
But I have a passion

bro respectuflly if your average looking walking around in public delusion thinking girls are gonna approach you ,i thuink you need a reality check

Yeah, having "passion" won't make women go up to you, to chat you up. Or make women slide in your dms.
You need to be good looking, and/or high status. For women to go chat you up and DM slide into your inbox.
If one is an average range guy, like most men are. Than it's either: you make first moves, or nothing happens (as one is an invisible man literally, as a normie guy).

 

[Germania]

Yeah agreed. Meeting women in a social context (school, uni, hobbies etc.) is so much easier. If you are decently looking and have social skills, chance are you the biggest fish in a small pond (far from all women use online dating and have super inflated standards in my experience, as opposed to what is preached on this website (but I have to mention I study law where there is a 60-40 women/men ratio))

I'm not so sure since I do 99% online dating. Almost every single woman uses online dating or has used it or is on Instagram, which in the end is also partly a dating app. So why would she date Joe Shmoe from college when she has Chad Thunder cock and Tyrone on Tinder? She will compare the real life guys with the online guys as well.

I'm a little older and I notice that 8-10 years ago there was SIGNIFICANTLY more flirting at parties and clubs than there is today, the difference is massive.
When I go out to party these days, I see almost no “game” at all, let alone a successful one, no comparison to the past, as everything has moved online.

Feel free to convince me otherwise.

 

[eduardkoopman]

segment of my autistic essay:
You may ask yourself, well what about all of the pictures i found of ugly men being with attractive women, i advice the person to head to the comments of the video or the photo, and they will quickly realize all the comments read out in the typical fashion of backhanded doubt such as
“How did he do that! i'm so jealous ”
“He does not deserve her ”
“Tell me his secrets!”
the final irony of these comments are because of the notion that the blue pill assumes personality matters more than looks, therefore these videos should’ve never become viral because of the looks difference to begin with, to amplify my logic, tell me why these videos are popular? there’s no difference between ugly/good looking couples to the bluepillers mindset.

there's thousands of these types of couples which is normal. people have different outlooks on their life. the thing is however, no matter how many of these outlier couples you can find, it still doesn’t remove the fact that the attractive woman has the chance of seeking a higher looks male, which often happens with oofy doofy’s, The possibility is always there no matter the reasons the woman has chosen to stay with the male.

I agree, on your essay. that the Ooffy Doofy nromie dude, hitting way out of his looks league. Likely will get dumped on.
Yet also, the Oofy Doofy should not focus on the future or long term. But just ride the luck train, for as short as it lasts.

It's like this example.
There is this regular "poor" person. And he gets invited for a free dinner at a Michelin start restaurant.
One can talk about, how it will only be a one time thing, how it won't last that he can visit such reatuarants daily. etc..
Or one can just stfu, and enjoy the great food for as long as it lasted, and be happy one lucked out. And now it's back to McDonalds food.

 

[eduardkoopman]

I'm not so sure since I do 99% online dating. Almost every single woman uses online dating or has used it or is on Instagram, which in the end is also partly a dating app. So why would she date Joe Shmoe from college when she has Chad Thunder cock and Tyrone on Tinder? She will compare the real life guys with the online guys as well.

I'm a little older and I notice that 8-10 years ago there was SIGNIFICANTLY more flirting at parties and clubs than there is today, the difference is massive.
When I go out to party these days, I see almost no “game” at all, let alone a successful one, no comparison to the past, as everything has moved online.

Feel free to convince me otherwise.

I largely seem to notice the same.

to add.
The combo of the 2, can work good also I notice. If one has good social media.
Than it's really easy, to very quickly just ask for a social media exchange with her. And than, if she digged you and yoru social media account. Stuff is easy on the social media chats, easier than if one would had tried to completly chat her up, than and there.

I tried it a few times only, kinda like how Tate mentions it here.
And it works in a good way, on plenty levels.
Whay is it good?
1 Because, it's time effcient. you will only spend short time, chatting with woman.
2 If she not into you from start, than you waisted little time, one was not pushy at all left oneself.
3. if she into you from start, you can easily chat further in dm's.
4. if she was doubtfull, or not good social with strangers, or bad timing. Than she can and will think about if, she will give it a shot or not. Whereas in ral life, in general, when a woman is having a bit of doubt she mostl likely will hit the reject button

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Does being HTN with a 7mm overbite count

I’d say so. If your main flaw is mandible recession and you get that fixed you’ll improve a lot.

 

[ferbite666]

Sup boyo

so I did it, my last drill, here are my stats as a 4PSL 5'7 latino:

Approaches	Numbers	Dates	Lays
100​	32​	5​	1​

I'd say maybe, I could've got 3 lays out of this had I worked out on these girls more, but it is what it is.

With exception of girl #1 they all had the possibility to turn into lays. On a side note, I can assure that anyone saying they have a highter ratio than 5% is full of shit.

Most guys who do this shit will be within the 1-5 girls per 100 approaches. Maybe you can potentially go for a 10 out of 100 if you go for ugly chicks or girls that are really below your looks, but if you keep it decent that's about it.

Old post but were you doing indirect approaches or direct approaches? Also did you mostly approach women that were in your league and the same pheno as you?

 

[ferbite666]

I basically mass DM girls with some generic line like "Hey I just saw your profile and thought you were cute, had to come and say hi. What's up?"

I recommend not dm more than 20 girls every 3 or 4 hours otherwise instagram will block you temporarily.

Make sure you have your best pic as a pfp. I restrict the girl I hit on so I don't end up hitting on the same girl again

Are these girls that you're DMing have mutuals and/or follow you already? Also how good is your IG

 

[Tenshi]

Old post but were you doing indirect approaches or direct approaches? Also did you mostly approach women that were in your league and the same pheno as you?

I only do direct approach. No bs. I was a total noob when I replied to this thread back then. I must be well over 3k approaches and around 40 lays by now. Not a lot but I had to figure a lot of things out by myself in these 2 years. See what works and what doesn't etc.

I only approach girls I find attractive unless by mistake, which I might follow along given how fuckable she is. Anywhere from LTB to Stacies.

Are these girls that you're DMing have mutuals and/or follow you already? Also how good is your IG

I don't do that cuck shit anymore. Only cold approach. But no it was just random girls, I'd follow some page from idk some college somewhere and mass dm all girls following. My ig was shit back then.

 

[chickencalves]

Why have people named this after a YouTube genre when it's just a real life thing people do without buying courses?
Are american males really that scared of women that this is a foreign concept to be dissected like that?

 

[chickencalves]

You see a woman you tell her she looks good and move on. If you're in a static situation together, you escalate it to asking her name. If she's blushing and receptive, you ask her number. It's really not rocket science lol.
Do you niggas overthink it because your rabid feminists call it rape and catcalling?? Look into any western female tourist's blog and see her thoughts on how "romantic" the men are in the new country. Whole time it's just men boldly telling her she's beautiful everywhere she goes

 

[floopmaxxed]

wh

PUA has harmed more men than it has helped.

at is pua?

 

[RICHCELDOM]

if you understand inequalities in mathematics you will understand that no matter how you rearrange the equation it's always the looks that bring you down if you add y or 56 to both sides the inequality still stays the same it don't matter.


FUGAZI FUGAZI FUGAZI .....EC ECT ECT


looks only matter.

edit: if you multiply it buy -1 you are gay ofc

 

[RICHCELDOM]

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imagine being rejected by a fat Indian gay

 

[Sean o' Tist]

being

Pls, tell me name of those guys in vid, how can I see theor vids on yt? Would like some kekfuel.
I have only seen them in rehabroom intros so far

 

[wristcel]

Pls, tell me name of those guys in vid, how can I see theor vids on yt? Would like some kekfuel.
I have only seen them in rehabroom intros so far

his name was 'Yad'. I believe they were called 'daygame.com' from memory?
I'm sure with that info you'll find some funny vids if you look hard enough!