SEX APPEAL MAXXING {Official Guide}





1) DEEP VOICE
Voice, as a secondary sexual characteristic, is known to affect the perceived attractiveness of human individuals. Men with deeper/low-pitched voices signal large body size (which is sexually dimorphic), attract more women, father more children, intimidate other men, and command respect from other men. The larger the larynx, the longer and thicker the vocal folds and the lower the pitch of the voice. The size of the larynx is a secondary sexual characteristic partly controlled by testosterone; this is why the male larynx—commonly referred to as the “Adam’s apple”—enlarges disproportionately with the onset of puberty. The size of the vocal folds, commonly referred to as the vocal cords, is largely determined by the size of the larynx, and their thickness is further influenced by the action of hormones such as testosterone. Typical male voices range in pitch from 85 hertz to 180 hertz, with 96Hz and lower being the most attractive voice depth.

Research:
According to researchers from the U.S. and Canada one of the features which attracts a woman to a man is a deep voice. The researchers say men with deep voices are also much more likely to have more children than men who do not have deep voices.
The scientists suggest a deep voice in a man is comparable to a peacock's tail - it has no survival value, but attracts the female of the species. A group of researchers studied a tribe from Tanzania called the Hadza(this tribe was chosen because it reflects the life-style of humans thousands of years ago)
While the Hadza are monogamous, extra-marital sex is common.
The research team interviewed 52 women and 49 men from the tribe, aged 18 to 55.
The interviews took place in Swahili and the voices of the men and women were recorded.
When the recordings were studied it was found that the deep voiced men had fathered more children than the non-deep voiced men; the man with the deepest voice had ten surviving children, while the one with the highest pitched voice had only three.
Researchers suggest that the men with the lower pitched voices possibly had higher testosterone levels, which attracted them more to females or made them more attractive to them.

A female voice sounded attractive when it was breathy, moderately high-pitched, and with moderately dispersed formants, all of which signal a relatively small body size. A male voice sounded attractive when it was low pitched and with densely distributed formants, both of which signal a large body size.
This video below backs up what this study says because some of the women mentally visualized a much larger person (large body size) based on hearing his voice alone.

Researchers found that men with low-pitched voices were more likely to attract women, even though they're seen as being more risky when it comes to monogamy. "The sound of someone's voice can affect how we think of them," - Jillian O'Connor.

Women rated deeper male voices as sounding more attractive, generally, and men rated deeper voices in their fellow men as seeming more dominant - but the impact of pitch on perceived dominance was much stronger, statistically speaking.
They found that men with higher testosterone levels and lower levels of cortisol generally had deeper voices. That hormonal signature has previously been associated with healthy immune function. So to some degree, deep voices seem to serve as a kind of evolutionary marker for good health.


All women desire a man to have a deep voice:



How to get a Deeper Voice?

Non-surgical Method:
- Deep chanting: start making "oohmm" sounds over and over in a controlled manner which relaxes your vocal chords
- Primal screaming: go out somewhere(preferably where not to many people are) and start screaming (growling loud screams) as loud as you can for 5-10 minutes everyday.
- Smoking cigarettes: over time can deepen voice by causing swelling in the vocal cords which lowers the pitch (not recommended only if you truly wish).
- Make sure you maintain high amounts of T during puberty (too late for most of you)
- Clear your throat, take a deep breath, and swallow your spit before talking. Relaxing your vocal cords lowers the pitch of your voice, this is why your voice is usually deeper when you wake up in the morning.
- Speak from your diaphragm instead of your throat
- Mint Pastilles: help to relax throat muscles and open up vocal tract increasing the resonance of your voice and make your voice temporarily deeper

Surgical Method:
- Voice Deepening surgery aka Fat Injection Thyroplasty: This surgery is performed by injecting fat into the patient’s vocal cords, adding bulk and creating a deeper-sounding voice. There’s a saying that goes: “sounding good is as important as looking good."
Cost: $2000 to $5000, sometimes as low as $1,000.
(injections can last up to 2yrs)

- Medialization laryngoplasty: In this procedure, the folds of the vocal cords are thickened with silicone rubber implants, which causes a deeper tone to develop. This is a common surgery among FtM individuals, I'm not sure they will perform it on a healthy/normal males but it's worth looking into.
Cost: $2500

- Thyroplasty: one to two and half inch incision is placed parallel to, or in a skin crease of your neck near the Adam’s apple. A diamond-shaped cut centered on the vocal cords loosens the vocal cords internally. An endoscope is in place during the procedure to observe your vocal cords, after this you are typically asked to make some sounds to assess the loosening. The incision is closed.
Cost: $1,000 to $2,500

- Micro-laryngeal Pitch reduction: A laser is used to incise some of the laryngeal tissue on the top surface of the true vocal cords and the bulk is transferred to near the vibrating edge of the vocal cords, increasing their mass. The vocal cords may also be loosened with some cuts. These changes in tension and mass can lower the comfortable speaking pitch.
Cost: $1,000

Voice Deepening Surgery Results:


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2) DESIGNER STUBBLE

Examples:
Stubble



- Facial hair is a sexually dimorphic trait that makes men look more attractive. Theses pics above are examples of peak sex appeal. It isn't clean shaven like a prepubescent boy NEITHER is it a full on lumberjack beard that could be hiding facial fat or a weak lower third. This is the best of both worlds: a chiseled jawline covered in a layer of stubble just so much that they can still see your jawline + ability to grow facial hair = masculinity and sexiness.

Research:

To gain a better understanding of male attractiveness from the perspective of both men and women, the team enlisted the assistance of 351 women, 177 men, and 10 other men to serve as models. Each man in the photos was shown in four ways — clean-shaven, with five days of beard growth (light stubble), 10 days of growth (heavy stubble), and with a full beard. Women found the men with the heavy stubble to be the most attractive (pics above are a good example).

A total of 9991 participants (8699 female, 1292 male) completed this study. There was a significant main effect of facial hair with heavy stubble being most attractive followed by light stubble, then full beards and clean‐shaven faces being least attractive of all. Stubble was judged as most attractive overall and received higher ratings for short-term relationships than full beards, which were more attractive for long-term relationships.

The “Short stubble” beard is the #1 most attractive facial hair. It received an average rank of 2.6 with 80% ranking short stubble in the top 3, including 24% of respondents ranking short stubble as the #1 most attractive facial hair style.


Products/Tools Required:
- Brio Beardscape Trimmer
Cost: $68.95

- Clear Shaving Gel
Cost: $15-30

- Beard Oil
Cost: $29

How to Trim/Shave to get the "Perfect Stubble" Look:





How to grow Facial Hair (if you can't already)?

Non-Surgical Method:
- Minoxidil: This solution when applied topically can treat certain types of baldness and encourage facial hair growth(5% concentration). Although results may vary from person to person depending on age, hormones, genetics, etc.
Cost: $15-$30
- Side effects: some report heart palpitations, itchiness, dryness, chest pain, headaches
- Duration: Once you stop using most your results will diminish. If the hair you gained turns into terminal hair, then those terminal will be permanent.

- Dermarolling: Micro-needling with a dermaroller or dermarolling machine has been proven to treat hair loss (Androgenetic Alopecia in humans) and it appears to be more effective than minoxidil. Dermaroll once or twice a week at either 0.5mm or 0.75mm.
Dermaroller along with Minoxidil treated group was statistically superior to Minoxidil treated group in promoting hair growth in men with AGA for all 3 primary efficacy measures of hair growth. Micro-needling is a safe and a promising tool in hair stimulation and also is useful to treat hair loss refractory to Minoxidil therapy.
Cost: Dermaroller $10-30, Derminator $190

- Supplementation: Certain supplements have be proven to activate dormant hair follicles, strengthen hair, and promote hair growth.
L-Carnitine
Our findings suggest that l-carnitine stimulates human scalp hair growth by up regulation of proliferation and down regulation of apoptosis in follicular keratinocytes in vitro.


Biotin
Since biotin deficiency can lead to thinning of the hair, proponents claim that taking biotin supplements—in pill or tablet form—or using biotin-enriched shampoo and hair products can thicken hair and stimulate hair and nail growth. Taking care of any underlying deficiencies can help keratin production and strengthen your hair. This may not be as effective if you're healthy and don't biotin deficiency.
We found 18 reported cases of biotin use for hair and nail changes. In all cases, patients receiving biotin supplementation had an underlying pathology for poor hair or nail growth. All cases showed evidence of clinical improvement after receiving biotin.


Surgical Method:
- Beard Transplant: A beard transplant takes hair from another part of your body (usually the base of your scalp at the back, or under your chin) and transplants it to your face. ... An average of 4,000 to 7,000 hairs can be transplanted one by one. Some surgeons may use two hairs per graft to give a more natural appearance to the beard. Hair is permanent.
Cost: $3,000 to $7,000 depending on how many grafts are needed.
- Side Effects: temporary swelling, redness, and itchiness

Beard Transplant Results:




3) Dark Hair (Brown or Black)

Examples:

Darkhair


- Hair color is important and rather underrated. When women say the dark in "tall, dark, and handsome", they are referring to men who look/appear to be "dark triad" due to dark hair/features. They are referring to Atlantids and handsome Meds. NOT Nordic, Nordic pheno specifically the light blonde hair color is a failo for men. The light blonde/ginger color is weak, submissive, and feminine looking. After meeting a women's looks requirement a dark triad personality could be considered the "cherry on top".

Research:

By analyzing data from over 145,000 of their male members (they have 800,000 in total), the site found that men who have brown hair average 10 dates per month, while blonde guys only have around three.


27.5 percent of the women said yes to men wearing a blond wig, 30 percent accepted invitations from the men with brown wigs, 35 percent accepted invitations from men with black wigs and only 13.8 percent for men who donned a red wig.


When it comes to the Dark Triad ‘it tends to be a short term attraction’ Carter points out. ‘The highly dark triad male is likely to only be interested in a short-term relationship. They tend to have a strike and move on strategy’ he says, which means ‘it may come to an end because the woman calls time on it but also that its likely that he is already cheating, has already started to look for another relationship…’ Men who embody the Dark Triad are not defined by faithfulness.


But it is not the love of danger that attracts them but a primitive desire to find a mate who appears mentally strong, confident and physically attractive in order to have healthier children.

Demonstration:
Dark Triad Slayer vs. Low T Cuck

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Solution:
Dye your hair darker/black.
Cost: Below $15

Video Tutorial:






4) Tattoos

Examples:

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Research:
2,369 women and 215 men were recruited, and were first shown pictures of tattooed and non-tattooed men. Then, they were asked to rate them on their attractiveness, masculinity, dominance, aggression, potential for being a good partner, potential for being a good father, and how healthy they look. The results revealed that the women rated men with tattoos as healthier, more masculine, dominant and aggressive.


Reasons to get Tattoos:
- The research said that women thought tatted men were not good long term partners because it made them look like they have 'bad boy appeal' which is very good for short term flings and slaying.

- If you emerge from a tattoo unscathed, you just survived a wound. Which means, by definition, that you are a man who is of above-average health and "immunocompetence.” Piercing the skin exposes the recipient of a tattoo to infection, and only those with the strongest immune systems can come through the process with their health intact.

- According to the research linked above, tattooed men stood out as the stereotypical vision of the machismo man.

- There was a greater difference in overall ratings of tattooed versus non-tattooed men with male participants than there was with female participants. What this means is that non-tattooed men see tattooed men as rivals in the dating game.

- The researchers concluded that when a man gets inked, that tattoo does two things: it attracts the ladies by exuding an air of health and masculinity, and it intimidates other men, because men with tattoos simply look like alpha males. Tattoos make you look hotter to women, and it clears away rivals, so you just have a better chance of getting laid.


Example of how Tattoo improves his look:
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@Hopelessmofoker
- Think of tattoos as the icing on the cake. Visible lean muscle mass + tattoos = Bad boy look and increased sex appeal.

REMINDER:
- Face/neck tats :no:
- Tats of girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, family, or fraternity :no:
- Tats on butt/rear end :no:
- Ankle Tattoos :no:
- Finger Tattoos :no:
- Full Sleeve Arm Tattoos ✅
- Forearm Tattoos ✅
- Back Tattoos ✅
- Underside of Wrist Tattoos ✅
- Chest Tattoos ✅
- Calf Tattoos ✅


Cost:
The average cost for a small tattoo like a heart or cross is $50 to $250. For a medium-sized tattoo like a tribal or portrait, expect to spend between $150 and $450. Hiring a tattoo artist typically costs $120 to $150 per hour, and prices depend on how long it takes.
Minimum Cost: $30
Maximum Cost:
$4,000
https://fash.com/costs/how-much-do-tattoos-cost




5) Facial Scars

Examples:

Scars


- If you got a scar from a fight/accident/illness it does not mean it is a flaw which will lower your SMV (Sexual Market Value). However, making a scar on your skin if you don't have any is not recommended.

Research:
Scientists at Liverpool and Stirling University have found that women find scarring on men attractive and may associate it with health and bravery. It is seen by women as a sign of masculinity and an exciting, risk-taking personality. Men with mild facial scars were typically ranked as more attractive by women who were looking for short term relationships/flings. 115 women and 64 men to rate the attractiveness of eight strangers of the opposite sex. Half were asked to look at original face shots, while the other half viewed images that had been digitally manipulated to add scars to their cheeks, jawbones or foreheads.
While the scars made no difference to the perceived attractiveness of women, scarred men ranked 5.7 percentage points higher in the appeal ratings than those with undamaged skin. *Only men with scars were as more attractive and appealing NOT women.

Reasons why women find facial scarring attractive:
- When scarring is seen as the result of a violent encounter, it signifies strength or bravery in a guy, or it could be due to an accident, and so evidence of a risk-taking personality

- Women may have rated scarring as an attractive quality for short-term relationships because they found it be a symbol of masculinity, a feature that is linked to high testosterone levels and an indicator of good genetic qualities that can be passed on to offspring

- Men without scars are more likely to be seen as caring, cautious, and conscientious, and therefore more suitable for long-term relationships, whereas men with scars project a rugged bad boy vibe that’s irresistible in the context of a no-strings-attached fling. They are unconsciously viewed as a sign of strength, bravery, or an adventurous, risk-taking personality. Call it the James Bond effect – dangerous, and probably doomed, but seductive nonetheless.

Solution:
Get slits in your eyebrows similar to what Jason Momoa has. While his is an actual scar an eyebrow slit can help mimic a scar.
Cost: Free if you do it yourself. If you go to the barber the prices may vary depending on the location or barber himself.

Video Tutorials:

6) Muscles

Examples:

Body


- Muscle mass and size is one of the biggest indicators of dimorphism, health, and fitness. These physiques above are nearly ideal for all women. Extreme bodybuilder physique and thin twig physique only have niche appeal. These bodies presented above are good for both attraction and intimidation. Gaining lean muscle mass is crucial for improving sex appeal.

Research:

- Everyone here should know by now that muscles are attractive, sexually dimorphic, and help to give the 'full package effect'.

Videos: How women react to muscular men

Good Fitness Youtubers:
- Jeff Nippard, Jeremy Ethier, Athlean-X, Greg Doucette, and Dr. Mike Diamonds (my personal top 5)

Workout Routine:

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Gym memberships: Cost anywhere from $10-$60 per month on average. Contrary to popular opinion Planet Fitness is actually great for beginners and only costs $10 a month.

Bonus:
(R) Roids + (T) Tats + (T) Tan = Insane Sex Appeal Combo
RTT Theory in Action:




7) Thick Muscular Neck

Examples of thick vs thin:

Neck


- Neck training is essential as it helps make the face more balanced and masculine. It makes you look high T and can help strengthen the visual appearance of your lower third. Training/engaging the sternocleidomastoid and trapezius muscles is what makes the neck thicker/wider.

Helpful equipment:
Neck Harness
Cost: $15-$30

Workout Routines:

3 exercises: neck extensions, neck flexions (laying on stomach), lateral extensions to both sides.
week one: NO WEIGHT, 3 sets of each
day 1: 10 reps for each/set
day 2: 20
day 3: 40
day 4: 50
day 5: 60
day 6: 70
day 7: rest

week two: 5-10 LBS
day 1: 10 reps for each/set
day 2: 20
day 3: 40
day 4: 50
day 5: 60
day 6: 70
day 7: rest

week three: 10-15 LBS
day 1: 10 reps for each/set
day 2: 20
day 3: 40
day 4: 50
day 5: 60
day 6: 70
day 7: rest

week four: 15-20 LBS
day 1: 10 reps for each/set
day 2: 20
day 3: 40
day 4: 50
day 5: 60
day 6: 70
day 7: rest

week 5: 20 LBS
day 1: 10 reps for each/set
day 2: 20
day 3: 40
day 4: 50
day 5: 60
day 6: 70
day 7: rest
(Shout out to @Nibba)






8) SWR, SHR, and WHR

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Ideal ratios for men are as follows:
- SWR (shoulder to waist ratio) greater than 1.6, ideally 1.8 - 2.0
- SHR (shoulder to hip ratio) greater than 1.4
- WHR (waist to hip ratio) greater than 0.80, ideally 0.9 to 1.0
- Having broad shoulders and narrow hips gives that Superman like V-taper. A man having good SHR/SWR is similar to a woman having good WHR. It is very sexually attractive and dimorphic.

Research:
Males with high SHR and females with low WHR reported sexual intercourse at an earlier age, more sexual partners, more extra-pair copulations (EPC), and having engaged in more instances of intercourse with people who were involved in another relationship (i.e., having themselves been EPC partners).
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- The key to having good broad square shoulders is having a wide scapula + long and straight clavicles

How to get Wider Shoulders?


Non-Surgical Method:
- Revisit the gym routine I posted above (muscles section)
- Specifically target the back, delts, and chest
- Refrain from over-training traps as they can give your shoulders a "sloped" appearance


- Self Adhesive Shoulder Push-up Pads: self silicone adhesive shoulder pads that should be placed on the sides of your shoulders (side deltoids region) to broaden your shoulders. It is both washable (hand wash) and reusable. Adds about 1-2 cm on each side.
Amazon product ASIN B07H35NHYBBefore wearing and after wearing shoulder pads:
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- Padded Undershirts: should be worn under a shirt/sweat and can be used for aesthetics purposes to accentuate the pectorals, shoulders, biceps, and triceps. Can give around half and inch to an inch increase on each side.

- Raglan T's: these T's will draw attention to your shoulders because their unique sleeves that leave a diagonal seam from the underarm to the collarbone.

- Oxford Shirts: pieces with structured fabrics that have a certain weight to them tend to fall better than thin, clingy materials.

Surgical Method:
- Clavicle lengthening surgery: known as clavicle osteotomies. Dr. Eppley has increased clavicle length of up to 1in on each side.
Cost: Personally call, email, or DM Dr. Eppley

- Deltoid Augmentation via Implants: deltoid implants are designed to widen the shoulders and/or create an enhanced muscle appearance and are placed in the subfascial pocket over the muscle. This causes no permanent injury to the muscle which means one can resume working out and even make the underlying muscle bigger with enough exercise.
Cost: $3,000 to $5,000 or more

- Deltoid Augmentation via Fat Injection: as an alternative option to implants for deltoid/shoulder augmentation, injectable fat can be used. The fat donor sites are the traditional stomach and flanks (love handle) areas. Deltoid augmentation by fat injections provides a potentially pleasing dual benefit of abdominal and waistline reduction and an increase in shoulder size. Deltoid augmentation with fat injections is a good alternative to implants that can be successful if one has enough donor fat. Optimal fat take requires a good concentration method and distribution of the fat by small linear track layering both above or below the deltoid muscle fascia.
Cost: Around $4,000 or more




9) Height

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- Height is not only important in attraction but intimidation/domination as well. Good frame combined with good height = ONS success
- Never put your height on tinder unless its starts with 6'.

Research:
Women are most satisfied when their partner was 8 inches (21cm) taller. Men are most satisfied when they are 3 inches (8cm) taller than their partner.
Among men, 13.5 percent prefer to date only women shorter than them. But among women, about half (48.9 percent) preferred to date only men taller than them.
Researchers found that 23% of men and 4% of women would accept a relationship where the woman was taller.
Participants viewed short men as less socially attractive, less successful, less physically attractive, less well-adjusted, and less masculine than both average and tall men. The researchers state that “shortness is more of a liability than tallness is an asset.”
1-inch increase in height is associated with a 1.4–2.9 percent increase in weekly earnings.
Men taller than 6 feet 3 inches (194 cm) were 2 to 3 times more likely to obtain a higher education compared to men shorter than 5 feet 4 inches (165 cm).


Ideal Height:
- 6'0-6'5. Beyond 6'5 is good as long as you don't have a subhuman face or twig like frame.

Power of Height in Action:
- Just read the comments of women lusting after this man mainly due to his great stature.

How to get Taller?

Non-Surgical Method:
- Lifts: good temporary fix that can grant you anywhere from 1-3 inches of height boost.
https://www.theheightlift.com/products/height-increase-insole
Cost: $20-$50

- Elevator Shoes: shoes that have thickened sections of the insoles under the heels to make the wearer appear taller, or "elevate" them as the name suggests. They give you around 2-4 inches of additional height.
Cost: $40-$200

- Spine Stretching Treatment:

- Stretching: mostly cope but it's good to do to make sure you are at your greatest natural height. Do this morning and evening:

- Normal footwear that add the most height: Nike Airmaxes, Boots (Timberlands or Chelsea Boots)

- Wear monochromatic outfit: streamlines your figure unlike contrasting colored outfits which break up your figure

- Wear vertical stripes: give the illusion of length just like horizontal stripes give the illusion of width

- Grow out your hair on top: grow out your hair on top while keeping the sides short/tight can add an inch or two

- Wear hats/caps/beanies: can give additional inch or two

Surgical Method:
- Limb Lengthening: works by separating the bone and distracting (pulling apart) the bone segments very slowly so that new bone continues to form in the gap. As the bone segments are slowly distracted, the bone regenerates, resulting in increased length.
Cost: $16,000 in Russia, $85,000 in US

- More Info: Visit Dr. Paley https://paleyinstitute.org/centers-of-excellence/limb-lengthening/




10) Big Dick

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- Dick size is one of the most brutal blackpills of all time. You can have a PSL 7 face, great physique, and height BUT if you have a micro-penis IT'S OVER!

Research:

More women cited that the penis was too small as a problem, rather than that the penis was too large.


Importance and Power of having a Big Dick:
- @Vvvvxxxx Dick bulge Tinder Experiment
TLDR: He has an army of women waiting to fuck just because of his "big dick Game" Read his thread for more details.

- @Doablin Dick Bulge Tinder Experiment
TLDR: Just like the previous experiment it not only got him matches with attractive women but also made it easier for him to discuss sexual topics with them. It also made it easier for women to desire having sex with him.

- Story of Jonah Falcon
TLDR: A man named Jonah Falcon has been able to sleep with A list actors and celebrities just because of the size of his dick. Many of you would label him as a "fat manlet" but his insane penis size (13.5 in/34.3 cm) has allowed him to sleep with women many men can only dream of sleeping with. His exact size might be exaggerated but the fact that his penis size has helped him get laid still stands.

How to get a Big Dick?

Non-Surgical Method:

- Jelqing: mostly anecdotal evidence but some have seen results. I will link some sites/threads: https://looksmax.org/threads/nsfw-dickmaxxing-the-complete-jelqing-guide.32587/
More Info:

- Penis Extenders and Penis Pumps:
At 6-month follow-up, a mean gain of 1.7 ± 0.8, 1.3 ± 0.4, and 1.2 ± 0.4 cm was noted for the flaccid, stretched, and erected penile lengths, respectively (all P values < 0.001). Extender was worn 4-6 hours a day. From 13 patients with mild baseline erectile dysfunction, nine patients reported normal erectile function after 9 months.
After 6 months in the flaccid and stretched penile length, respectively. At the end of treatment (6 months), there was a significant overall mean gain in length of 2.3 cm and of 1.7 cm for the flaccid and stretched (Wilcoxon Z-test, both P< 0.001) penile length, respectively. Extender worn at least 4 hours a day.
After 3 months : +2.1cm flaccid length, +1.9cm flaccid girth, +3cm erect length, +1.9cm erect girth. Extender worn at least 9 hours a day.
After 4 months : +1.8cm stretched length. Extender worn 3-9 hours a day.
Cost: $40-$100 for pumps, $10-20 for extenders
More Info:


Surgical Method:
- Penis Enlargement Surgery:
The Penuma is a crescent-shaped piece of medical-grade silicone inserted under your penis skin to make your penis longer and wider. It’s provided in three sizes: large, extra-large, and extra-extra-large.
The tissues that give your penis its shape are composed largely of two types:
  • Corpus cavernosa: two cylindrical pieces of tissue that run parallel to each other along the top of your penis
  • Corpus spongiosum: one cylindrical piece of tissue that runs along the bottom of your penis and surrounds your urethra, where urine comes out
Your Penuma device will be designed to fit your specific penis shape. It’s inserted into your shaft over the corpus cavernosa, like a sheath.
This is done through an incision in your groin area just above the base of your penis. The device stretches the penis skin and tissues to make your penis look and feel larger.
According to Dr. Elist’s website, people who have had the Penuma procedure report increases in length and girth (measurement around their penis) of about 1.5 to 2.5 inches, while flaccid and erect.
The average male penis is about 3.6 inches long (3.7 inches in girth) when flaccid, and 5.2 inches long (4.6 inches in girth) when erect.
The Penuma could enlarge the average penis up to a length of 6.1 inches when flaccid, and 7.7 inches when erect.
Cost: $15,000
More Info:






Romance Novel Pill
Romance novels allowed women to play out their sexual fantasies without having to go through the risk in real life. Look at the men they put on the covers of romance novels, they tend to have high levels of sexual dimorphism and exhibit well developed secondary sex characteristics. The reason for this is to attract women and get them to buy the book. Then women usually take that picture of the guy on the cover to use as a reference to the protagonist in the story. Notice how the men on the covers of romance novels have many of the 10 things I covered above. Notice how they never put skinny alien looking fags on the cover due to the fact that they lack sex appeal.



Examples of Men with HIGH Sex Appeal


NOTICE:
Most if not all of the guys I posted above have most of the 10 sex appeal characteristics I mentioned in the beginning. Dark hair, designer stubble, tan, muscles, tattoos, scars, good height, voice, etc etc. They all have high Sex Appeal.




***Thanks! to @Kade for inspiring me to make this thread. You also helped distinguish sex appeal vs aesthetics.***






JUST IMAGINE THESE TWO GUYS WALK INTO A BAR/CLUB, WHO DO YOU THINK WILL SLAY THE MOST???

Guy1
Jordanphysique

Guy2
JASON

IF ANYONE CHOSE GUY 1 PLEASE GO VISIT A PSYCHIATRIST!

Jason Mamoa is taller, wider framed, has more muscle mass, exhibits higher levels of masculinity, maturity, and danger (tats, scars etc). In other words he oozes with sex appeal from head to toe . GUYS LIKE JASON MAMOA AND LOUIS ALLEN III ARE THE GUYS YOUR GIRL CHEATS WITH. THESE GUYS TRIGGER THE RAW PRIMAL SEXUAL URGES IN WOMEN. NOT ONLY WILL THEY MAKE HER ORGASM A HUNDRED TIMES BUT THEY WILL ALSO BEAT THE ABSOLUTE SHIT OUT OF SOMEONE LIKE TWINKY JORDAN BARRETT!


@Kade
@Amnesia
@2peasinapod
@turkproducer
@Blackout.xl
@Golang
@john2
@the next o'pry
@Chintuck22
@Elias
@reptiles
@Zenchy


 
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Sex appeal trumps gay alien aesthetics irl
Also, because most normal ppl don't know/care about facial ratio, jaw width, upper or lower place cheekbones etc. I mean for them it's either hot or good looking or average or doesn't look good/ugly.

Reason why things mentioned in this thread must be tried first (esp Roid/gym, tats, voice deepening etc) rather than going for rhino or some random surgeries that wouldn't benefit you in real life.
 
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K go ahead and prove it like literally no one else ever has before, Mandingo isn’t even 10 inches.

keep reality out of your cuck fantasies

is it technically possible that they exist? Sure. Has anyone realistically and believably proved it? Nope, not yet, not to my knowledge.
I see some on fetlife. The dudes have multiple posts of it. They are either frauding very well or actually literally horse cocks.
 
I see some on fetlife. The dudes have multiple posts of it. They are either frauding very well or actually literally horse cocks.

if they aren't measuring it in a VIDEO it doesn't count. Especially if you're just seeing big dicks and eyeballing it going "yeah that's over 10 inches" cause chances are you're just looking at a little 5'2" twink with a 8-9 inch dick
Even then when you get to that size (10 inch range would be legit biggest in the world size, jonah falcon is a fraud) I would be hesitant to accept it as truth if they're not first measuring several household objects with a specific confirmed size, and then measuring their dick with that same ruler.
To me, the fact that the biggest of the big porn stars are all around the 9-9 1/2 mark and under 10 inches tells me that 10 either is so stupidly rare that it functionally doesn't exist, or it just plain doesn't exist with 9 1/2 being the hard limit of human dick size. And certainly ridiculous sizes like jonah falcon's 13 inch claim are COMPLETE and total bullshit, that's just fact. (same with the pornstars who are under 10 but still claim like 12 inches, 14 inches etc.)

like I said, the day I see video proof that fits the criteria (measuring objects of known size with ruler, then measuring dick from several angles. and when I say measuring I mean PROPER measuring, not along the side, not along the bottom, along the top. I'd be fine with bonepressed but a lot of people wouldn't be. Not exactly a tall order if someone actually has a 10 inch dick) is the day I'll agree that 10+ exists, until then in my mind it doesn't.

It's not really an important issue, I just like to live in reality and I don't like when people refuse reality to appeal to their own gay fetishes and all that.
 
if they aren't measuring it in a VIDEO it doesn't count. Especially if you're just seeing big dicks and eyeballing it going "yeah that's over 10 inches" cause chances are you're just looking at a little 5'2" twink with a 8-9 inch dick
Even then when you get to that size (10 inch range would be legit biggest in the world size, jonah falcon is a fraud) I would be hesitant to accept it as truth if they're not first measuring several household objects with a specific confirmed size, and then measuring their dick with that same ruler.
To me, the fact that the biggest of the big porn stars are all around the 9-9 1/2 mark and under 10 inches tells me that 10 either is so stupidly rare that it functionally doesn't exist, or it just plain doesn't exist with 9 1/2 being the hard limit of human dick size. And certainly ridiculous sizes like jonah falcon's 13 inch claim are COMPLETE and total bullshit, that's just fact. (same with the pornstars who are under 10 but still claim like 12 inches, 14 inches etc.)

like I said, the day I see video proof that fits the criteria (measuring objects of known size with ruler, then measuring dick from several angles. and when I say measuring I mean PROPER measuring, not along the side, not along the bottom, along the top. I'd be fine with bonepressed but a lot of people wouldn't be. Not exactly a tall order if someone actually has a 10 inch dick) is the day I'll agree that 10+ exists, until then in my mind it doesn't.

It's not really an important issue, I just like to live in reality and I don't like when people refuse reality to appeal to their own gay fetishes and all that.
No, I definitely agree. The guy might be frauding. He just has SO many pics and vids, including ones with other objects to compare.
 
No, I definitely agree. The guy might be frauding. He just has SO many pics and vids, including ones with other objects to compare.
Wtf stop faggotposting, i got this thread on watch and im getting spammed with faggots arguing about penises on fetlife, go kys.
 
No, I definitely agree. The guy might be frauding. He just has SO many pics and vids, including ones with other objects to compare.
no video measure, no count
you'd be surprised the kinds of objects you can find that are different in size to their standard variant that can be used for frauding. I did it with a mini soda can once and everybody bought it lmfao

Wtf stop faggotposting, i got this thread on watch and im getting spammed with faggots arguing about penises on fetlife, go kys.
found the gay cuck who wants his dream of a 13 inch BBC to live on
 
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What about dht gel on dick and throat or some shit for bigger dick and deeper voice is this recommended if in puberty I’m in the middle of puberty and am willing to do it but I don’t want my natrual dht to shut down
 
This one of the best threads ive ever seen
 
- The key to having good broad square shoulders is having a wide scapula + long and straight clavicles
thats kinda cope, my clavicles are not streight and i have v taper
 
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thats kinda cope, my clavicles are not streight and i have v taper
same

we basically have identical frames

same height, bideltoid

and also sloped clavicles
 
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I need a thick stubble asap
 
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One of the best threads of all time, but what do you mean with overdeveloped traps? How exactly do they make u look smaller?
 
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I would say smell is important as well. Some guys just smell awful and smell like shit no matter what areas they improve.
 
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doing all this lowers sex appeal
 
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Another brutal beard pill.
 
Scars Wouldn't fit me because I have rabbit teeth and feminine eye shape (my eyes are too vertically wide). Also, should I grow stubble if my beard is red? My hair color and moustache color is extremely dark brown.
 
Clothing style, should be mentioned as well if facial hair is also on the list
 
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This is what atleast 80% of users here should focus on.
Most of these things aren't expensive and will halo hard.

Meanwhile you can save for surgery if it's really needed, instead of being a defeatist fuck who rots away.

I get some might not want tattoos or facial scars etc.
I just hate the circle jerking about surgeries few will undergo while nearly all can use this advice.
 
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This is what atleast 80% of users here should focus on.
Most of these things aren't expensive and will halo hard.

Meanwhile you can save for surgery if it's really needed, instead of being a defeatist fuck who rots away.

I get some might not want tattoos or facial scars etc.
I just hate the circle jerking about surgeries few will undergo while nearly all can use this advice.
Most .co posters could ascend if they used this guide + unironically getting a haircut. I'm very sceptic when somebody calls themselves incel because most pics of "incels" i've seen just need softmaxxing, and hypergamy is not as bad as this site claims.

With that said I truly feel for actual truecels tho who have all the unfixable failos.
 
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Most .co posters could ascend if they used this guide + unironically getting a haircut. I'm very sceptic when somebody calls themselves incel because most pics of "incels" i've seen just need softmaxxing, and hypergamy is not as bad as this site claims.

With that said I truly feel for actual truecels tho who have all the unfixable failos.
Leanmaxxing is the best looksmax hands down. A lot of people (including me) make the mistake of thinking theyre close to 12% bf whilst they are actually 16-18%. 12% or death
 
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Leanmaxxing is the best looksmax hands down. A lot of people (including me) make the mistake of thinking theyre close to 12% bf whilst they are actually 16-18%. 12% or death
Yeah I saw someone had collected a lot of data on attractiveness and bodyfat from studies.

Ideal range was 10-14% for the broadest appeal but within this range 12% was ideal.

So my goal now is to cut and bulk in the range of 10-14% bf
 
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Yeah I saw someone had collected a lot of data on attractiveness and bodyfat from studies.

Ideal range was 10-14% for the broadest appeal but within this range 12% was ideal.

So my goal now is to cut and bulk in the range of 10-14% bf
Same. Im 16/17 rn
 
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Any benefit to training the front part of the neck (under jaw)?

I see the sense in training the sides and back part but not sure about the front.
 
Yeah I saw someone had collected a lot of data on attractiveness and bodyfat from studies.

Ideal range was 10-14% for the broadest appeal but within this range 12% was ideal.

So my goal now is to cut and bulk in the range of 10-14% bf
How hard is it to stay at around 14% year round? Is it even possible if you drink alcohol regularly and eat out with friends at least once a week?
 
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How hard is it to stay at around 14% year round? Is it even possible if you drink alcohol regularly and eat out with friends at least once a week?
Not that hard just count calories ded srs. Alcohol in heavy moderation and don’t overeat when out with friends.
 
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@Kingkellz
Any benefit to training the front part of the neck (under jaw)?

I see the sense in training the sides and back part but not sure about the front.
yes it gives stability, improves posture, and mostly prevents muscle imbalances. Technically you train your lateral and posterior neck muscles more because they are involved in other exercises like shrugs for example so you want to train the front/anterior area too in order to prevent imbalances.
 
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yes it gives stability, improves posture, and mostly prevents muscle imbalances. Technically you train your lateral and posterior neck muscles more because they are involved in other exercises like shrugs for example so you want to train the front/anterior area too in order to prevent imbalances.
Bro should I get earrings
 
Voicepill is everything and it's comically underrated. I've said this over and over: Shit voice = death
 
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Am I trippin or did squidbro just post outside of the offtopic section?
 
C O P E
 
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Voicepill is everything and it's comically underrated. I've said this over and over: Shit voice = death
so if it really is everything, why don'T more people consider voice deepening.
 
so if it really is everything, why don'T more people consider voice deepening.

There is no such thing. Your voice is genetically determined like almost everything else about you.
 
so if it really is everything, why don'T more people consider voice deepening.
Normies?
Probably because they don't know the importance of a deep resonant voice and the procedures are relatively unknown.

Most ppl on this forum?
Because they're delusional copers that keep rambling on and on about MSE, face pulling and maxilla so that they can look like a dog chimp hybrid like their hero Ronald Ead.

I'm not against orthognathic surgery especially if it's for improving functionality or health related issues.

But when you are doing it for purely aesthetic reasons is when things fall apart.

The priority should be placed on improving the exhibition of masculine dimorphism, secondary sex characteristics, and signs of youth health and wellness.

If you do get surgery on your face in order to become more attractive focus on improving supraorbital and glabbellar ridge projection, chin projection, getting a more masculine nose, prominent zygo arch, getting deeper more vertically narrow eyes.

Focusing on getting a "forward grown maxilla" (when you have good airways, functionality, normal bite, and no maxillary hypoplasia) will just result in you getting a dog maxilla with excessive bimaxillary and bilabial protrusion.
 
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Those things don't matter nearly as much as you believe. I know a guy who is skinny, has blonde hair, has a pencil neck, has no beard, and he has a high pitched french guy voice and he still is very successful with women, just because he has an incredible personality and a very high amount of self confidence, when he talks to women, he isn't afraid to say what he wants to say, and he is able to seduce them with his words naturally without sounding fake, and he has been doing it since he was around 12 years old. Although most men are not born with such a talent, the skill itself can be developed by forcing you to do things that make you talk to a lot more people and by practicing as much as possible. The only men who will find it very difficult to do this are the aspies, because their brain is already limited socially and unable to do those things properly since they cant even read body language correctly. Even an ugly introverted guy can become like that guy that I know and gain enough self confidence and enough social skills to be amazing with women.
 
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Those things don't matter nearly as much as you believe. I know a guy who is skinny, has blonde hair, has a pencil neck, has no beard, and he has a high pitched french guy voice and he still is very successful with women, just because he has an incredible personality and a very high amount of self confidence, when he talks to women, he isn't afraid to say what he wants to say, and he is able to seduce them with his words naturally without sounding fake, and he has been doing it since he was around 12 years old. Although most men are not born with such a talent, the skill itself can be developed by forcing you to do things that make you talk to a lot more people and by practicing as much as possible. The only men who will find it very difficult to do this are the aspies, because their brain is already limited socially and unable to do those things properly since they cant even read body language correctly. Even an ugly introverted guy can become like that guy that I know and gain enough self confidence and enough social skills to be amazing with women.
STFU tbh
Sell this idea on another forum

Like me most users will probaly think you're braindead
 
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Those things don't matter nearly as much as you believe. I know a guy who is skinny, has blonde hair, has a pencil neck, has no beard, and he has a high pitched french guy voice and he still is very successful with women, just because he has an incredible personality and a very high amount of self confidence, when he talks to women, he isn't afraid to say what he wants to say, and he is able to seduce them with his words naturally without sounding fake, and he has been doing it since he was around 12 years old. Although most men are not born with such a talent, the skill itself can be developed by forcing you to do things that make you talk to a lot more people and by practicing as much as possible. The only men who will find it very difficult to do this are the aspies, because their brain is already limited socially and unable to do those things properly since they cant even read body language correctly. Even an ugly introverted guy can become like that guy that I know and gain enough self confidence and enough social skills to be amazing with women.
Wrong forum my friend
 
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Those things don't matter nearly as much as you believe. I know a guy who is skinny, has blonde hair, has a pencil neck, has no beard, and he has a high pitched french guy voice and he still is very successful with women, just because he has an incredible personality and a very high amount of self confidence, when he talks to women, he isn't afraid to say what he wants to say, and he is able to seduce them with his words naturally without sounding fake, and he has been doing it since he was around 12 years old. Although most men are not born with such a talent, the skill itself can be developed by forcing you to do things that make you talk to a lot more people and by practicing as much as possible. The only men who will find it very difficult to do this are the aspies, because their brain is already limited socially and unable to do those things properly since they cant even read body language correctly. Even an ugly introverted guy can become like that guy that I know and gain enough self confidence and enough social skills to be amazing with women.

Wrong forum my friend
I'm actually happy to have different opinions here. But if you deny the importance of looks, and argue with a 1 out of 1million exception than you won't be taken seriously
 
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Wrong forum my friend
I wasn't saying that looks don't matter, you all misunderstood me. All I was saying is that the vast majority of men are going to be good looking enough to get a girlfriend if they have at least average social skills and if they aren't severely disfigured. The difference in looks is only going to have an impact on the level of girl you will be able to attract, the most good looking men will end up with the most good looking women while the ugliest men will end up with the ugliest women most of the time, except in the few cases where they were able to be so interesting as a person, that they could date someone out of their league. My point was mostly that it's not OVER for anyone who is in this forum, some just have it easier than others and online dating isn't a good indicator of dating success especially since it requires men to be very muscular to even be qualified to participate which is why the vast majority of men fail with tinder. But women's standards on Tinder are much higher than in real life, in real life fat girls are easy if you are not fat yourself, but with online dating, they may still have very high standards.
 
I wasn't saying that looks don't matter, you all misunderstood me. All I was saying is that the vast majority of men are going to be good looking enough to get a girlfriend if they have at least average social skills and if they aren't severely disfigured. The difference in looks is only going to have an impact on the level of girl you will be able to attract, the most good looking men will end up with the most good looking women while the ugliest men will end up with the ugliest women most of the time, except in the few cases where they were able to be so interesting as a person, that they could date someone out of their league. My point was mostly that it's not OVER for anyone who is in this forum, some just have it easier than others and online dating isn't a good indicator of dating success especially since it requires men to be very muscular to even be qualified to participate which is why the vast majority of men fail with tinder. But women's standards on Tinder are much higher than in real life, in real life fat girls are easy if you are not fat yourself, but with online dating, they may still have very high standards.

as I've said before, no one wants to fuck fat girls
 
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This is what atleast 80% of users here should focus on.
Most of these things aren't expensive and will halo hard.

Meanwhile you can save for surgery if it's really needed, instead of being a defeatist fuck who rots away.

I get some might not want tattoos or facial scars etc.
I just hate the circle jerking about surgeries few will undergo while nearly all can use this advice.
JonHexummaxxing is legit, Dom slayer is better than prettyboy
 
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as I've said before, no one wants to fuck fat girls
This was only an example. You don't have to fuck fat girls even if you aren't very good looking, you just won't be able to fuck 8s, 9s or 10s, average looking men are going to be stuck with average looking women (not fat) and below average men are going to be stuck with below average looking women (not necessarily fat). But there are ways that a man can date someone that is a few LMS point above himself, like by becoming very muscular and ripped a 5/10 can date 7s and 8s, and a very ugly guy can become good enough to date average looking women. There is no need for expensive high risk surgeries that may not even do anything good in the end. Good looking men tend to be the way they are because of where their eyes, nose, and mouth are in proportion to everything else, it's not a simple matter of shape or strength of the jawline, it's so much more than that, even if someone were to get almond eye surgery and get rid of their big nose, they would not become like Chico or Jensen Ackles, no matter how much money they spend. And in the end, if you don't date fat girls, you will realize that pussy is pussy, and so the sex is the same no matter how good she looks in the face, and the only thing that has an influence on the quality of the sex is her technique in bed, not how she looks. So, since a hotter woman won't give you better sex, the only thing that she will do is boost your ego.
 
This was only an example. You don't have to fuck fat girls even if you aren't very good looking, you just won't be able to fuck 8s, 9s or 10s, average looking men are going to be stuck with average looking women (not fat) and below average men are going to be stuck with below average looking women (not necessarily fat). But there are ways that a man can date someone that is a few LMS point above himself, like by becoming very muscular and ripped a 5/10 can date 7s and 8s, and a very ugly guy can become good enough to date average looking women. There is no need for expensive high risk surgeries that may not even do anything good in the end. Good looking men tend to be the way they are because of where their eyes, nose, and mouth are in proportion to everything else, it's not a simple matter of shape or strength of the jawline, it's so much more than that, even if someone were to get almond eye surgery and get rid of their big nose, they would not become like Chico or Jensen Ackles, no matter how much money they spend. And in the end, if you don't date fat girls, you will realize that pussy is pussy, and so the sex is the same no matter how good she looks in the face, and the only thing that has an influence on the quality of the sex is her technique in bed, not how she looks. So, by since a hotter woman won't give you better sex, the only thing that she will do is boost your ego.

dnrd redpill cope
 
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dnrd redpill cope
If by red pill you mean, TRP's way of telling young men that the only thing they need to do to get girls is to go lift heavy weights to become muscular and ripped, then yes, that's basically what I was saying. But it isn't cope, gymmaxxing is the most important form of looksmaxxing that there is, and the only ones who are against it have never gotten muscular themselves so they don't actually know the effect that it has. And, incels will always find a way to justify their point of view no matter how much evidence is shoved in front of their face.





Incels will say that those men are the exception because they were already good looking to begin with, but they are wrong, many of the men in those videos aren't very good looking in the face, but the women are still impressed because the guy has a very muscular physique. And anyways, you only need to take those handsome muscular men and photoshop them to make them look skinny and weak (remove their big neck and big muscles) to realize that without their muscle mass, they would be considered as being average looking or below average even. What makes them so good looking is their muscle mass, and their physique is not like a bodybuilder's (except for Arnold) so they are achievable naturally within 1 to 2 years of hard training in the gym. Look at Henry Cavill before he was muscular (when he was younger) and compare him to right now, even though he is much older, he is viewed as being much more handsome by young women 18-25 than when he was younger and very skinny, his face even looks different because of his very thick neck. Look at Gerard Butler who is really not a good looking actor but still was viewed as attractive by some of his female costars in 300 because of his muscles and six pack abs. Was arnold Schwarzennegger a Chad when he wasn't muscular? Of course not, he didn't have the look of a pretty boy, he only became good looking after he added lots of muscle mass to his frame. Guys who say that women don't care about muscles just aren't muscular or ripped enough to be able to show off and get reactions from women.
 
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If by red pill you mean, TRP's way of telling young men that the only thing they need to do to get girls is to go lift heavy weights to become muscular and ripped, then yes, that's basically what I was saying. But it isn't cope, gymmaxxing is the most important form of looksmaxxing that there is, and the only ones who are against it have never gotten muscular themselves so they don't actually know the effect that it has. And, incels will always find a way to justify their point of view no matter how much evidence is shoved in front of their face.





Incels will say that those men are the exception because they were already good looking to begin with, but they are wrong, many of the men in those videos aren't very good looking in the face, but the women are still impressed because the guy has a very muscular physique. And anyways, you only need to take those handsome muscular men and photoshop them to make them look skinny and weak (remove their big neck and big muscles) to realize that without their muscle mass, they would be considered as being average looking or below average even. What makes them so good looking is their muscle mass, and their physique is not like a bodybuilder's (except for Arnold) so they are achievable naturally within 1 to 2 years of hard training in the gym.


Body is a good halo ofc

Your also forgetting frame and height

but its always face>body

I'm not saying don't lift, but fix your failos and add halos with lifting

I'm lean and built so I know what it's like
 
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Body is a good halo ofc

Your also forgetting frame and height

but its always face>body

I'm not saying don't lift, but fix your failos and add halos with lifting

I'm lean and built so I know what it's like
Yes of course it's face>body. But when you become more muscular, your face looks different especially if you train your neck and traps separately. As for height, of course it matters but frame is really only dependent on height, if you compare a guy who starts off at 138 lbs at 6 foot 4 (me in 2016) with a guy who starts off at 180 lbs at 6 foot 4 with a good body fat, the guy who started as very skinny is still going to have the same potential as the guy who started with a little muscle mass, one is just going to get there faster than the other depending on genetics, but two people with the same height, generally have the same frame and so they going to have a very similar muscular potential. Some start with wide shoulders while others start with narrow shoulders, this doesn't mean that the narrow shoulder guy is going to stay like that forever, it just means that he has no muscle mass and that is why his shoulders are so narrow. Guys who start lifting with some muscle mass usually did a lot of sports when they were younger while the others spent most of their time sitting in front of a computer, that is the difference.


As for the face, yes you are right but it is very difficult to find the right plastic surgeons that won't fuck up your face with the wrong stuff, it's all very risky and it's all very expensive so for a young guy in his early 20s who hasn't even graduated college, it's too expensive and the time it would take to build a good enough career to have money for surgeries, the guy would already be too old to become a pretty boy. So instead, my goal is to be the other version of Chad (what Henry Cavill is right now), the badass muscular version that makes you look like a high T warrior that women crave, and that version also lasts for many years (25 to 45) unlike the pretty boy look which only lasts for your late teens and early to mid 20s at most.

Also, how much do you lift? Are you intermediate or advanced built?
 
Yes of course it's face>body. But when you become more muscular, your face looks different especially if you train your neck and traps separately. As for height, of course it matters but frame is really only dependent on height, if you compare a guy who starts off at 138 lbs at 6 foot 4 (me in 2016) with a guy who starts off at 180 lbs at 6 foot 4 with a good body fat, the guy who started as very skinny is still going to have the same potential as the guy who started with a little muscle mass, one is just going to get there faster than the other depending on genetics, but two people with the same height, generally have the same frame and so they going to have a very similar muscular potential. Some start with wide shoulders while others start with narrow shoulders, this doesn't mean that the narrow shoulder guy is going to stay like that forever, it just means that he has no muscle mass and that is why his shoulders are so narrow. Guys who start lifting with some muscle mass usually did a lot of sports when they were younger while the others spent most of their time sitting in front of a computer, that is the difference.


As for the face, yes you are right but it is very difficult to find the right plastic surgeons that won't fuck up your face with the wrong stuff, it's all very risky and it's all very expensive so for a young guy in his early 20s who hasn't even graduated college, it's too expensive and the time it would take to build a good enough career to have money for surgeries, the guy would already be too old to become a pretty boy. So instead, my goal is to be the other version of Chad (what Henry Cavill is right now), the badass muscular version that makes you look like a high T warrior that women crave, and that version also lasts for many years (25 to 45) unlike the pretty boy look which only lasts for your late teens and early to mid 20s at most.

Also, how much do you lift? Are you intermediate or advanced built?

yes, water, your face may masculinize, I'm not advocating not lifting

most people don't need risky surgery, unless your extremely recessed. I myself plan on getting MSE to expand my IMW ultimately widening my zygos, maxilla, and improving my eye area. I'm sure everyone here also is leaning towards that.

I'm 5'7, 175 15% BF
 
any supplements to make voice deeper @Kingkellz
 
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