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Sex appeal trumps gay alien aesthetics irl
Also, because most normal ppl don't know/care about facial ratio, jaw width, upper or lower place cheekbones etc. I mean for them it's either hot or good looking or average or doesn't look good/ugly.

Reason why things mentioned in this thread must be tried first (esp Roid/gym, tats, voice deepening etc) rather than going for rhino or some random surgeries that wouldn't benefit you in real life.
 
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K go ahead and prove it like literally no one else ever has before, Mandingo isn’t even 10 inches.

keep reality out of your cuck fantasies

is it technically possible that they exist? Sure. Has anyone realistically and believably proved it? Nope, not yet, not to my knowledge.
I see some on fetlife. The dudes have multiple posts of it. They are either frauding very well or actually literally horse cocks.
 
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I see some on fetlife. The dudes have multiple posts of it. They are either frauding very well or actually literally horse cocks.

if they aren't measuring it in a VIDEO it doesn't count. Especially if you're just seeing big dicks and eyeballing it going "yeah that's over 10 inches" cause chances are you're just looking at a little 5'2" twink with a 8-9 inch dick
Even then when you get to that size (10 inch range would be legit biggest in the world size, jonah falcon is a fraud) I would be hesitant to accept it as truth if they're not first measuring several household objects with a specific confirmed size, and then measuring their dick with that same ruler.
To me, the fact that the biggest of the big porn stars are all around the 9-9 1/2 mark and under 10 inches tells me that 10 either is so stupidly rare that it functionally doesn't exist, or it just plain doesn't exist with 9 1/2 being the hard limit of human dick size. And certainly ridiculous sizes like jonah falcon's 13 inch claim are COMPLETE and total bullshit, that's just fact. (same with the pornstars who are under 10 but still claim like 12 inches, 14 inches etc.)

like I said, the day I see video proof that fits the criteria (measuring objects of known size with ruler, then measuring dick from several angles. and when I say measuring I mean PROPER measuring, not along the side, not along the bottom, along the top. I'd be fine with bonepressed but a lot of people wouldn't be. Not exactly a tall order if someone actually has a 10 inch dick) is the day I'll agree that 10+ exists, until then in my mind it doesn't.

It's not really an important issue, I just like to live in reality and I don't like when people refuse reality to appeal to their own gay fetishes and all that.
 
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if they aren't measuring it in a VIDEO it doesn't count. Especially if you're just seeing big dicks and eyeballing it going "yeah that's over 10 inches" cause chances are you're just looking at a little 5'2" twink with a 8-9 inch dick
Even then when you get to that size (10 inch range would be legit biggest in the world size, jonah falcon is a fraud) I would be hesitant to accept it as truth if they're not first measuring several household objects with a specific confirmed size, and then measuring their dick with that same ruler.
To me, the fact that the biggest of the big porn stars are all around the 9-9 1/2 mark and under 10 inches tells me that 10 either is so stupidly rare that it functionally doesn't exist, or it just plain doesn't exist with 9 1/2 being the hard limit of human dick size. And certainly ridiculous sizes like jonah falcon's 13 inch claim are COMPLETE and total bullshit, that's just fact. (same with the pornstars who are under 10 but still claim like 12 inches, 14 inches etc.)

like I said, the day I see video proof that fits the criteria (measuring objects of known size with ruler, then measuring dick from several angles. and when I say measuring I mean PROPER measuring, not along the side, not along the bottom, along the top. I'd be fine with bonepressed but a lot of people wouldn't be. Not exactly a tall order if someone actually has a 10 inch dick) is the day I'll agree that 10+ exists, until then in my mind it doesn't.

It's not really an important issue, I just like to live in reality and I don't like when people refuse reality to appeal to their own gay fetishes and all that.
No, I definitely agree. The guy might be frauding. He just has SO many pics and vids, including ones with other objects to compare.
 
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No, I definitely agree. The guy might be frauding. He just has SO many pics and vids, including ones with other objects to compare.
Wtf stop faggotposting, i got this thread on watch and im getting spammed with faggots arguing about penises on fetlife, go kys.
 
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No, I definitely agree. The guy might be frauding. He just has SO many pics and vids, including ones with other objects to compare.
no video measure, no count
you'd be surprised the kinds of objects you can find that are different in size to their standard variant that can be used for frauding. I did it with a mini soda can once and everybody bought it lmfao

Wtf stop faggotposting, i got this thread on watch and im getting spammed with faggots arguing about penises on fetlife, go kys.
found the gay cuck who wants his dream of a 13 inch BBC to live on
 
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What about dht gel on dick and throat or some shit for bigger dick and deeper voice is this recommended if in puberty I’m in the middle of puberty and am willing to do it but I don’t want my natrual dht to shut down
 
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This one of the best threads ive ever seen
 
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- The key to having good broad square shoulders is having a wide scapula + long and straight clavicles
thats kinda cope, my clavicles are not streight and i have v taper
 
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One of the best threads of all time, but what do you mean with overdeveloped traps? How exactly do they make u look smaller?
 
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I would say smell is important as well. Some guys just smell awful and smell like shit no matter what areas they improve.
 
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Another brutal beard pill.
 
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Scars Wouldn't fit me because I have rabbit teeth and feminine eye shape (my eyes are too vertically wide). Also, should I grow stubble if my beard is red? My hair color and moustache color is extremely dark brown.
 
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This is what atleast 80% of users here should focus on.
Most of these things aren't expensive and will halo hard.

Meanwhile you can save for surgery if it's really needed, instead of being a defeatist fuck who rots away.

I get some might not want tattoos or facial scars etc.
I just hate the circle jerking about surgeries few will undergo while nearly all can use this advice.
 
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This is what atleast 80% of users here should focus on.
Most of these things aren't expensive and will halo hard.

Meanwhile you can save for surgery if it's really needed, instead of being a defeatist fuck who rots away.

I get some might not want tattoos or facial scars etc.
I just hate the circle jerking about surgeries few will undergo while nearly all can use this advice.
Most .co posters could ascend if they used this guide + unironically getting a haircut. I'm very sceptic when somebody calls themselves incel because most pics of "incels" i've seen just need softmaxxing, and hypergamy is not as bad as this site claims.

With that said I truly feel for actual truecels tho who have all the unfixable failos.
 
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Most .co posters could ascend if they used this guide + unironically getting a haircut. I'm very sceptic when somebody calls themselves incel because most pics of "incels" i've seen just need softmaxxing, and hypergamy is not as bad as this site claims.

With that said I truly feel for actual truecels tho who have all the unfixable failos.
Leanmaxxing is the best looksmax hands down. A lot of people (including me) make the mistake of thinking theyre close to 12% bf whilst they are actually 16-18%. 12% or death
 
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Leanmaxxing is the best looksmax hands down. A lot of people (including me) make the mistake of thinking theyre close to 12% bf whilst they are actually 16-18%. 12% or death
Yeah I saw someone had collected a lot of data on attractiveness and bodyfat from studies.

Ideal range was 10-14% for the broadest appeal but within this range 12% was ideal.

So my goal now is to cut and bulk in the range of 10-14% bf
 
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Yeah I saw someone had collected a lot of data on attractiveness and bodyfat from studies.

Ideal range was 10-14% for the broadest appeal but within this range 12% was ideal.

So my goal now is to cut and bulk in the range of 10-14% bf
Same. Im 16/17 rn
 
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Any benefit to training the front part of the neck (under jaw)?

I see the sense in training the sides and back part but not sure about the front.
 
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Yeah I saw someone had collected a lot of data on attractiveness and bodyfat from studies.

Ideal range was 10-14% for the broadest appeal but within this range 12% was ideal.

So my goal now is to cut and bulk in the range of 10-14% bf
How hard is it to stay at around 14% year round? Is it even possible if you drink alcohol regularly and eat out with friends at least once a week?
 
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Any benefit to training the front part of the neck (under jaw)?

I see the sense in training the sides and back part but not sure about the front.
yes it gives stability, improves posture, and mostly prevents muscle imbalances. Technically you train your lateral and posterior neck muscles more because they are involved in other exercises like shrugs for example so you want to train the front/anterior area too in order to prevent imbalances.
 
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yes it gives stability, improves posture, and mostly prevents muscle imbalances. Technically you train your lateral and posterior neck muscles more because they are involved in other exercises like shrugs for example so you want to train the front/anterior area too in order to prevent imbalances.
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Am I trippin or did squidbro just post outside of the offtopic section?
 
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Voicepill is everything and it's comically underrated. I've said this over and over: Shit voice = death
so if it really is everything, why don'T more people consider voice deepening.
 
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so if it really is everything, why don'T more people consider voice deepening.

There is no such thing. Your voice is genetically determined like almost everything else about you.
 
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so if it really is everything, why don'T more people consider voice deepening.
Normies?
Probably because they don't know the importance of a deep resonant voice and the procedures are relatively unknown.

Most ppl on this forum?
Because they're delusional copers that keep rambling on and on about MSE, face pulling and maxilla so that they can look like a dog chimp hybrid like their hero Ronald Ead.

I'm not against orthognathic surgery especially if it's for improving functionality or health related issues.

But when you are doing it for purely aesthetic reasons is when things fall apart.

The priority should be placed on improving the exhibition of masculine dimorphism, secondary sex characteristics, and signs of youth health and wellness.

If you do get surgery on your face in order to become more attractive focus on improving supraorbital and glabbellar ridge projection, chin projection, getting a more masculine nose, prominent zygo arch, getting deeper more vertically narrow eyes.

Focusing on getting a "forward grown maxilla" (when you have good airways, functionality, normal bite, and no maxillary hypoplasia) will just result in you getting a dog maxilla with excessive bimaxillary and bilabial protrusion.
 
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Those things don't matter nearly as much as you believe. I know a guy who is skinny, has blonde hair, has a pencil neck, has no beard, and he has a high pitched french guy voice and he still is very successful with women, just because he has an incredible personality and a very high amount of self confidence, when he talks to women, he isn't afraid to say what he wants to say, and he is able to seduce them with his words naturally without sounding fake, and he has been doing it since he was around 12 years old. Although most men are not born with such a talent, the skill itself can be developed by forcing you to do things that make you talk to a lot more people and by practicing as much as possible. The only men who will find it very difficult to do this are the aspies, because their brain is already limited socially and unable to do those things properly since they cant even read body language correctly. Even an ugly introverted guy can become like that guy that I know and gain enough self confidence and enough social skills to be amazing with women.
 
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Those things don't matter nearly as much as you believe. I know a guy who is skinny, has blonde hair, has a pencil neck, has no beard, and he has a high pitched french guy voice and he still is very successful with women, just because he has an incredible personality and a very high amount of self confidence, when he talks to women, he isn't afraid to say what he wants to say, and he is able to seduce them with his words naturally without sounding fake, and he has been doing it since he was around 12 years old. Although most men are not born with such a talent, the skill itself can be developed by forcing you to do things that make you talk to a lot more people and by practicing as much as possible. The only men who will find it very difficult to do this are the aspies, because their brain is already limited socially and unable to do those things properly since they cant even read body language correctly. Even an ugly introverted guy can become like that guy that I know and gain enough self confidence and enough social skills to be amazing with women.
STFU tbh
Sell this idea on another forum

Like me most users will probaly think you're braindead
 
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Those things don't matter nearly as much as you believe. I know a guy who is skinny, has blonde hair, has a pencil neck, has no beard, and he has a high pitched french guy voice and he still is very successful with women, just because he has an incredible personality and a very high amount of self confidence, when he talks to women, he isn't afraid to say what he wants to say, and he is able to seduce them with his words naturally without sounding fake, and he has been doing it since he was around 12 years old. Although most men are not born with such a talent, the skill itself can be developed by forcing you to do things that make you talk to a lot more people and by practicing as much as possible. The only men who will find it very difficult to do this are the aspies, because their brain is already limited socially and unable to do those things properly since they cant even read body language correctly. Even an ugly introverted guy can become like that guy that I know and gain enough self confidence and enough social skills to be amazing with women.
Wrong forum my friend
 
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Those things don't matter nearly as much as you believe. I know a guy who is skinny, has blonde hair, has a pencil neck, has no beard, and he has a high pitched french guy voice and he still is very successful with women, just because he has an incredible personality and a very high amount of self confidence, when he talks to women, he isn't afraid to say what he wants to say, and he is able to seduce them with his words naturally without sounding fake, and he has been doing it since he was around 12 years old. Although most men are not born with such a talent, the skill itself can be developed by forcing you to do things that make you talk to a lot more people and by practicing as much as possible. The only men who will find it very difficult to do this are the aspies, because their brain is already limited socially and unable to do those things properly since they cant even read body language correctly. Even an ugly introverted guy can become like that guy that I know and gain enough self confidence and enough social skills to be amazing with women.

Wrong forum my friend
I'm actually happy to have different opinions here. But if you deny the importance of looks, and argue with a 1 out of 1million exception than you won't be taken seriously
 
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Wrong forum my friend
I wasn't saying that looks don't matter, you all misunderstood me. All I was saying is that the vast majority of men are going to be good looking enough to get a girlfriend if they have at least average social skills and if they aren't severely disfigured. The difference in looks is only going to have an impact on the level of girl you will be able to attract, the most good looking men will end up with the most good looking women while the ugliest men will end up with the ugliest women most of the time, except in the few cases where they were able to be so interesting as a person, that they could date someone out of their league. My point was mostly that it's not OVER for anyone who is in this forum, some just have it easier than others and online dating isn't a good indicator of dating success especially since it requires men to be very muscular to even be qualified to participate which is why the vast majority of men fail with tinder. But women's standards on Tinder are much higher than in real life, in real life fat girls are easy if you are not fat yourself, but with online dating, they may still have very high standards.
 
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I wasn't saying that looks don't matter, you all misunderstood me. All I was saying is that the vast majority of men are going to be good looking enough to get a girlfriend if they have at least average social skills and if they aren't severely disfigured. The difference in looks is only going to have an impact on the level of girl you will be able to attract, the most good looking men will end up with the most good looking women while the ugliest men will end up with the ugliest women most of the time, except in the few cases where they were able to be so interesting as a person, that they could date someone out of their league. My point was mostly that it's not OVER for anyone who is in this forum, some just have it easier than others and online dating isn't a good indicator of dating success especially since it requires men to be very muscular to even be qualified to participate which is why the vast majority of men fail with tinder. But women's standards on Tinder are much higher than in real life, in real life fat girls are easy if you are not fat yourself, but with online dating, they may still have very high standards.

as I've said before, no one wants to fuck fat girls
 
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This is what atleast 80% of users here should focus on.
Most of these things aren't expensive and will halo hard.

Meanwhile you can save for surgery if it's really needed, instead of being a defeatist fuck who rots away.

I get some might not want tattoos or facial scars etc.
I just hate the circle jerking about surgeries few will undergo while nearly all can use this advice.
JonHexummaxxing is legit, Dom slayer is better than prettyboy
 
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as I've said before, no one wants to fuck fat girls
This was only an example. You don't have to fuck fat girls even if you aren't very good looking, you just won't be able to fuck 8s, 9s or 10s, average looking men are going to be stuck with average looking women (not fat) and below average men are going to be stuck with below average looking women (not necessarily fat). But there are ways that a man can date someone that is a few LMS point above himself, like by becoming very muscular and ripped a 5/10 can date 7s and 8s, and a very ugly guy can become good enough to date average looking women. There is no need for expensive high risk surgeries that may not even do anything good in the end. Good looking men tend to be the way they are because of where their eyes, nose, and mouth are in proportion to everything else, it's not a simple matter of shape or strength of the jawline, it's so much more than that, even if someone were to get almond eye surgery and get rid of their big nose, they would not become like Chico or Jensen Ackles, no matter how much money they spend. And in the end, if you don't date fat girls, you will realize that pussy is pussy, and so the sex is the same no matter how good she looks in the face, and the only thing that has an influence on the quality of the sex is her technique in bed, not how she looks. So, since a hotter woman won't give you better sex, the only thing that she will do is boost your ego.
 
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This was only an example. You don't have to fuck fat girls even if you aren't very good looking, you just won't be able to fuck 8s, 9s or 10s, average looking men are going to be stuck with average looking women (not fat) and below average men are going to be stuck with below average looking women (not necessarily fat). But there are ways that a man can date someone that is a few LMS point above himself, like by becoming very muscular and ripped a 5/10 can date 7s and 8s, and a very ugly guy can become good enough to date average looking women. There is no need for expensive high risk surgeries that may not even do anything good in the end. Good looking men tend to be the way they are because of where their eyes, nose, and mouth are in proportion to everything else, it's not a simple matter of shape or strength of the jawline, it's so much more than that, even if someone were to get almond eye surgery and get rid of their big nose, they would not become like Chico or Jensen Ackles, no matter how much money they spend. And in the end, if you don't date fat girls, you will realize that pussy is pussy, and so the sex is the same no matter how good she looks in the face, and the only thing that has an influence on the quality of the sex is her technique in bed, not how she looks. So, by since a hotter woman won't give you better sex, the only thing that she will do is boost your ego.

dnrd redpill cope
 
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If by red pill you mean, TRP's way of telling young men that the only thing they need to do to get girls is to go lift heavy weights to become muscular and ripped, then yes, that's basically what I was saying. But it isn't cope, gymmaxxing is the most important form of looksmaxxing that there is, and the only ones who are against it have never gotten muscular themselves so they don't actually know the effect that it has. And, incels will always find a way to justify their point of view no matter how much evidence is shoved in front of their face.





Incels will say that those men are the exception because they were already good looking to begin with, but they are wrong, many of the men in those videos aren't very good looking in the face, but the women are still impressed because the guy has a very muscular physique. And anyways, you only need to take those handsome muscular men and photoshop them to make them look skinny and weak (remove their big neck and big muscles) to realize that without their muscle mass, they would be considered as being average looking or below average even. What makes them so good looking is their muscle mass, and their physique is not like a bodybuilder's (except for Arnold) so they are achievable naturally within 1 to 2 years of hard training in the gym. Look at Henry Cavill before he was muscular (when he was younger) and compare him to right now, even though he is much older, he is viewed as being much more handsome by young women 18-25 than when he was younger and very skinny, his face even looks different because of his very thick neck. Look at Gerard Butler who is really not a good looking actor but still was viewed as attractive by some of his female costars in 300 because of his muscles and six pack abs. Was arnold Schwarzennegger a Chad when he wasn't muscular? Of course not, he didn't have the look of a pretty boy, he only became good looking after he added lots of muscle mass to his frame. Guys who say that women don't care about muscles just aren't muscular or ripped enough to be able to show off and get reactions from women.
 
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If by red pill you mean, TRP's way of telling young men that the only thing they need to do to get girls is to go lift heavy weights to become muscular and ripped, then yes, that's basically what I was saying. But it isn't cope, gymmaxxing is the most important form of looksmaxxing that there is, and the only ones who are against it have never gotten muscular themselves so they don't actually know the effect that it has. And, incels will always find a way to justify their point of view no matter how much evidence is shoved in front of their face.





Incels will say that those men are the exception because they were already good looking to begin with, but they are wrong, many of the men in those videos aren't very good looking in the face, but the women are still impressed because the guy has a very muscular physique. And anyways, you only need to take those handsome muscular men and photoshop them to make them look skinny and weak (remove their big neck and big muscles) to realize that without their muscle mass, they would be considered as being average looking or below average even. What makes them so good looking is their muscle mass, and their physique is not like a bodybuilder's (except for Arnold) so they are achievable naturally within 1 to 2 years of hard training in the gym.


Body is a good halo ofc

Your also forgetting frame and height

but its always face>body

I'm not saying don't lift, but fix your failos and add halos with lifting

I'm lean and built so I know what it's like
 
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Body is a good halo ofc

Your also forgetting frame and height

but its always face>body

I'm not saying don't lift, but fix your failos and add halos with lifting

I'm lean and built so I know what it's like
Yes of course it's face>body. But when you become more muscular, your face looks different especially if you train your neck and traps separately. As for height, of course it matters but frame is really only dependent on height, if you compare a guy who starts off at 138 lbs at 6 foot 4 (me in 2016) with a guy who starts off at 180 lbs at 6 foot 4 with a good body fat, the guy who started as very skinny is still going to have the same potential as the guy who started with a little muscle mass, one is just going to get there faster than the other depending on genetics, but two people with the same height, generally have the same frame and so they going to have a very similar muscular potential. Some start with wide shoulders while others start with narrow shoulders, this doesn't mean that the narrow shoulder guy is going to stay like that forever, it just means that he has no muscle mass and that is why his shoulders are so narrow. Guys who start lifting with some muscle mass usually did a lot of sports when they were younger while the others spent most of their time sitting in front of a computer, that is the difference.


As for the face, yes you are right but it is very difficult to find the right plastic surgeons that won't fuck up your face with the wrong stuff, it's all very risky and it's all very expensive so for a young guy in his early 20s who hasn't even graduated college, it's too expensive and the time it would take to build a good enough career to have money for surgeries, the guy would already be too old to become a pretty boy. So instead, my goal is to be the other version of Chad (what Henry Cavill is right now), the badass muscular version that makes you look like a high T warrior that women crave, and that version also lasts for many years (25 to 45) unlike the pretty boy look which only lasts for your late teens and early to mid 20s at most.

Also, how much do you lift? Are you intermediate or advanced built?
 
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Yes of course it's face>body. But when you become more muscular, your face looks different especially if you train your neck and traps separately. As for height, of course it matters but frame is really only dependent on height, if you compare a guy who starts off at 138 lbs at 6 foot 4 (me in 2016) with a guy who starts off at 180 lbs at 6 foot 4 with a good body fat, the guy who started as very skinny is still going to have the same potential as the guy who started with a little muscle mass, one is just going to get there faster than the other depending on genetics, but two people with the same height, generally have the same frame and so they going to have a very similar muscular potential. Some start with wide shoulders while others start with narrow shoulders, this doesn't mean that the narrow shoulder guy is going to stay like that forever, it just means that he has no muscle mass and that is why his shoulders are so narrow. Guys who start lifting with some muscle mass usually did a lot of sports when they were younger while the others spent most of their time sitting in front of a computer, that is the difference.


As for the face, yes you are right but it is very difficult to find the right plastic surgeons that won't fuck up your face with the wrong stuff, it's all very risky and it's all very expensive so for a young guy in his early 20s who hasn't even graduated college, it's too expensive and the time it would take to build a good enough career to have money for surgeries, the guy would already be too old to become a pretty boy. So instead, my goal is to be the other version of Chad (what Henry Cavill is right now), the badass muscular version that makes you look like a high T warrior that women crave, and that version also lasts for many years (25 to 45) unlike the pretty boy look which only lasts for your late teens and early to mid 20s at most.

Also, how much do you lift? Are you intermediate or advanced built?

yes, water, your face may masculinize, I'm not advocating not lifting

most people don't need risky surgery, unless your extremely recessed. I myself plan on getting MSE to expand my IMW ultimately widening my zygos, maxilla, and improving my eye area. I'm sure everyone here also is leaning towards that.

I'm 5'7, 175 15% BF
 

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