The truth about steroids and peptides affecting bones/height

[duromaxxing]

its over for me

 

[tahvanainenn]

Very nice

 

[tahvanainenn]

Good job

 

[Dbst Dev]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Good, i thought i was missing out on hgh because iam broke
I dont have to worry about buying hgh anymore

 

[Whirr22222]

Yes agree

what about osteoporosis meds? teriparatide etc..
simvastatin

I doubt it would push you past your genetic potential (of which you would have already reached granted you hadnt fucked up massively with nutrition)

 

[Deusmaximus]

 

[Deleted member 154351]

No words for this shit, I still dont get it why asians have chubby faces compared to other races
But for normal humans u would look very different with low bodyfat if we are being realistic

classic asians have really strong zygos though icl

 

[ltn295]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

if my plates are open can i still get taller?

 

[Deleted member 137273]

@ThePrinceOfPersia check it out

 

[skareye]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

shocker that toddlers have alot of bone growth. this doesnt negate the idea that bone growth in the face can be triggered by, **external** factors. The fact that the Establishment of skull structure from rapid early development shouldnt be used to preach the idea that the skull just... doesnt do anything past the rapid development stage.

 

[skareye]

if my plates are open can i still get taller?

yes.

 

[Deleted member 137273]

@phenylpiracetam give me your thoughts

 

[buddy]

trvthnvke

 

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[stacylover]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Our scientist

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

yes surgery> gear use in terms of looksmaxxing. Risks of gear are high, needing ancillary meds and permanent shutoff for hptg-axis is not wirth the long run. If you however are using it to perform as PEDs imply than why not in a safer manner.

 

[WBC323]

I think you undedestimate the importance of developmental processes.

 

[SlayerJonas]

I dissagre becuse i hate jews nigger and all heil hitler

Hitler was a mentally ill drug addict (this doesn't mean his ideas are invalid, I'm not talking about that)

Im in puberty rn so shøuld I be doing it or nah

No because you would fuck yourself up because you are an illiterate retard

Yes agree

what about osteoporosis meds? teriparatide etc..
simvastatin

Go ask your grandpa if it changed his skull

How are you saying the body reaches the predicted height no matter what

"How" I explained my reasoning

Truly appreciate this post. Was considering but started reconsidering after finding no research that backed it up. Glad I didn’t some stack of as teen for “muh bones”

Nice that it helped you

just wanted to ask rn i am 6'1 and thinking of taking hgh cause i got late puberty started at mid 16 and i am ealry 18 rn so should i spam hgh for two months for height and mainly muscle

This reads like bullshit overlapping reasons don't just change the reality of doing 0 for your bones

if you want muscles then do something for that purpose (testosterone)

yes surgery> gear use in terms of looksmaxxing. Risks of gear are high, needing ancillary meds and permanent shutoff for hptg-axis is not wirth the long run. If you however are using it to perform as PEDs imply than why not in a safer manner.

this isn't the point of the thread

roiding is worth it if not retarded (asking for the impossible) for muscles

permanent shutdown of hpt-axis doesn't exist for most people

I think you undedestimate the importance of developmental processes.

then explain your thought because in my perspective the basics are more than enough for development and it doesn't even matter as much during puberty

for muh environmental factors to matter that much you'd have to travel in time back and give your own mother during pregnancy everything she needs to make you good-looking

 

[imontheloose]

Hitler was a mentally ill drug addict (this doesn't mean his ideas are invalid, I'm not talking about that)

This is exactly why he’s so fascinating to watch speak. He was clearly mentally ill; it seemed like some form of OCD. Obsessive about cleanliness and purity to the point of not shaking hands out of fear of spreading germs.

 

[unknownhtnfromeu]

Hitler was a mentally ill drug addict (this doesn't mean his ideas are invalid, I'm not talking about that)

No because you would fuck yourself up because you are an illiterate retard

Go ask your grandpa if it changed his skull

View attachment 4049672

"How" I explained my reasoning

Nice that it helped you

This reads like bullshit overlapping reasons don't just change the reality of doing 0 for your bones

if you want muscles then do something for that purpose (testosterone)

this isn't the point of the thread

roiding is worth it if not retarded (asking for the impossible) for muscles

permanent shutdown of hpt-axis doesn't exist for most people

then explain your thought because in my perspective the basics are more than enough for development and it doesn't even matter as much during puberty

for muh environmental factors to matter that much you'd have to travel in time back and give your own mother during pregnancy everything she needs to make you good-looking

Dang bro why u mad

 

[WBC323]

I wish someone would solve the nature vs nurture debate in effect on looks...
So basically you're saying: diet has no large effect on growth or final height, hormones durring puberty have little to no effect on facial aesthetics, etc....i think you're underestimating nurture as it has been proved by situations like south and north koreans being of drastically different height because of diet, and even some identical twins having differing height.
I would like that your position kf genetics being everything as that would make our lifes very "secure", as you could be completely malnourished African and still fulfil your potential, but your position is definitely oversimplifying growth.

 

[SlayerJonas]

I wish someone would solve the nature vs nurture debate in effect on looks...
So basically you're saying: diet has no large effect on growth or final height, hormones durring puberty have little to no effect on facial aesthetics, etc....i think you're underestimating nurture as it has been proved by situations like south and north koreans being of drastically different height because of diet, and even some identical twins having differing height.
I would like that your position kf genetics being everything as that would make our lifes very "secure", as you could be completely malnourished African and still fulfil your potential, but your position is definitely oversimplifying growth.

Yes I'm oversimplifying some things to put an emphasis on what I think matters the most. Most people would just completely stop engaging with threads after a certain amount of words unfortunately.

The South and North Korea example is fitting, I want to answer it's rather about them not getting any real nutrition over their entire life. e.g. their bodies never had the opportunity to catch up for the lack of nutrition during puberty and at some point growth plate closure being delayed just isn't enough anymore after a certain age.

The basics do matter and I'm trying to clarify with this point that excess efforts don't always result in whatever we desire.

 

[segmt]

Go ask your grandpa if it changed his skull

Obviously not likely, and I agree with the shit you said in your post anyways about roids. They're really only for physique

anyway, Because the measurable impacts from these osteoporosis medications (these are for severe osteoporosis) are mostly found in hips ribs etc, there's not going to be a single human study on that.
But for rats it grew their mandible and jaw.

Someone can experiment with it and share anecdotes. But anecdotal evidence like that doesn't really prove anything either. And since this is more obscure not many people would have even tried it. Not a single person came back with results at least on this forum, even though people know about it.

Now again it's not realistic and doesn't directly translate to humans, and it's probably not likely to do shit at all tbh. Thank you for this shit lmao. Now it's just tons of 12yrs telling other 12yrs to hop on roids for "bone mass" (JFL) not going to happen. Great and botb worthy.

 

[¿Nero]

Fair to be honest, also to add on i don’t think any of these features are desirable in any way and like you’ve said predictable or symmetrical rather than saving up and getting surgery for the results you desire. This is pretty much looksminning.

I don’t think im going to use high doses of HGH next time

you once ran 10+ iu a day @Zagro it’s a little late to tell people you aren’t gonna run high hgh next time. You shoulda seen this threa
d earlier blud

 

[Zagro]

you once ran 10+ iu a day @Zagro it’s a little late to tell people you aren’t gonna run high hgh next time. You shoulda seen this threa
d earlier blud

True, but i didn't run that high of a hgh dose for craniofacial changes

 

[coolman985]

Hitler was a mentally ill drug addict (this doesn't mean his ideas are invalid, I'm not talking about that)

No because you would fuck yourself up because you are an illiterate retard

Go ask your grandpa if it changed his skull

View attachment 4049672

"How" I explained my reasoning

Nice that it helped you

This reads like bullshit overlapping reasons don't just change the reality of doing 0 for your bones

if you want muscles then do something for that purpose (testosterone)

this isn't the point of the thread

roiding is worth it if not retarded (asking for the impossible) for muscles

permanent shutdown of hpt-axis doesn't exist for most people

then explain your thought because in my perspective the basics are more than enough for development and it doesn't even matter as much during puberty

for muh environmental factors to matter that much you'd have to travel in time back and give your own mother during pregnancy everything she needs to make you good-looking

So your saying Hgh doesn’t increase height when plates are open?

 

[coreym1374]

Skeletal differences.

View attachment 3972779

That small difference in bone structure for their genotype is why so many asians have recessed maxillas too. Such a wide portion of bone on the bottom for basically nothing

 

[Deleted member 101975]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

Brutal shit haha

 

[coolman985]

Hitler was a mentally ill drug addict (this doesn't mean his ideas are invalid, I'm not talking about that)

No because you would fuck yourself up because you are an illiterate retard

Go ask your grandpa if it changed his skull

View attachment 4049672

"How" I explained my reasoning

Nice that it helped you

This reads like bullshit overlapping reasons don't just change the reality of doing 0 for your bones

if you want muscles then do something for that purpose (testosterone)

this isn't the point of the thread

roiding is worth it if not retarded (asking for the impossible) for muscles

permanent shutdown of hpt-axis doesn't exist for most people

then explain your thought because in my perspective the basics are more than enough for development and it doesn't even matter as much during puberty

for muh environmental factors to matter that much you'd have to travel in time back and give your own mother during pregnancy everything she needs to make you good-looking

You didn’t explain ur reasoning you just said that they reach their height no matter what and didn’t give any evidence

 

[asdvek]

zygo mogs the entire forum.

No?

 

[CantStopTheMog]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

I mean if ur growing still and hop on let’s say a bulking Roid

In theory most will eat more protein and dairy and all important bome growth minerals like vitamin D, zinc etc and have better sleep therefore leading to an increase in GH. This will all lead to a spike when ur on roids of elevated bome growth and GH no?
And obv increase in testosterone

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Genetics are everything

 

[Deleted member 156755]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

How the fuck is a teenager going

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc[/USER[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/CENTER]
[/QUOTE]

​

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

This made me question whether I should or shouldn't inject steroids into my one year old son

 

[iblamexyz]

Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. ​

 

[isaacicular]

top 3 highest iq posts, definely botb

I fw this, so I’m getting marpe currently pinning cjc ipam no dac igf1-lr3 and mk677 with enclomiphene and thinking about adding a PTH analog like tymlos, trying to get optimal expansion and bone growth what should I change or add to this stack ?

 

[idontmogglol]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

The TikToker are not gonna like this one

 

[Pay]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
​

---

If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
​

---

1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

View attachment 3971674

https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

View attachment 3971739

The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

View attachment 3971746

4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
​

---

After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

​

the idea of height regardless of nutrition being reached is clearly false, theres so many millions even men that are well abovr their parents height, theres clearly some weird unknown association between this massive height difference between parents and children

 

[itsovveerrrr]

just wanted to ask rn i am 6'1 and thinking of taking hgh cause i got late puberty started at mid 16 and i am ealry 18 rn so should i spam hgh for two months for height and mainly muscle

2 months gh won’t get you shit lmao. especially if you’re low dosing below 8iu+.

 

[adarsh arya]

2 months gh won’t get you shit lmao. especially if you’re low dosing below 8iu+.

for how long should i run gh

 

[itsovveerrrr]

for how long should i run gh

6-8 months, or a year ideally

 

[iblamechildhood]

There are multiple flaws in the logic behind peptides and AAS remodelling and/or growing facial bones.

I covered some of these flaws in this thread already, consider this the complete overview.

To be specific, this isn't an anti-roiding thread. Roiding should be done if desiring a body halo provided you know what you are doing. This excludes 99% of people already.

JFL at normies. They cause problems everywhere and die because of anything. The prevalence of gore is enough proof of that. Just think of all the normies that have died because of supplements even if it sounds absurd. Expecting them to mess around with their hormones is just asking for the impossible.

To put it into perspective, stupid people do illogical things because they can't reason in a logical manner. They choose to harm their health to look "cool", cope in any way possible, can't think across a corner, we can keep going for eternity...
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If done correctly, roiding can be useful for achieving a glorious body halo and even the mental drive is a nice feature. The latter is only secondary though and the real trade-off is the body halo in exchange for time, effort, money, health and sometimes the enjoyability of life.

The first three are self-explanatory, the negative impact on health can be reduced with tons of ancillaries but never fully avoided, the last point being another real problem. Having to bulk and being bloated on-cycle is a harsh reality, most get treated like subhumans by society, it's delayed gratification. This isn't a reason against roiding, it's to make people aware. If you decide to roid up, you'll feel like shit momentarily and that's okay. Roiding during your teenage years (provided almost consequent bulking) could rob you of many experiences including teenage love. Only proceed with roiding if you are mindful of your actions and their consequences.

The thesis that androgens and peptides grow facial bones is based on wishful thinking and utterly devoid of any evidence. We'll dissect each point within this thread.
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1. There isn't a single molecule of evidence.

Besides theoretical concepts, there is no scientific evidence backing anything up. Not even anecdotal evidence, only cherrypicked angles in B/As feeding into delusions. Pointing fingers at influencers, consequently people who want to monetise in any form, be it selling a course, doesn't help.

"B-but insert course seller says-" end your life, this world isn't for you.

2. The skull is done growing before the realization hits.

The earlier the better (closer to puberty) supposedly. In reality most of the growth and maturation of bone tissue happens before their balls even drop (pre-puberty).

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https://www.binasss.sa.cr/nov23/56.pdf

The take away from this chart is the closer to maturity, the harder supraphysiological growth gets. The age of maturity is individual though and there are outliers, those being a minority. Be realistic.

3. Bone growth after full skeletal maturity is asking for the impossible within the impossible.

I have good and bad news. Provided you're an adult, there is no need to travel back in time into your youth: Height is mostly, if not entirely determined by genetics. Even with environmental factors being completely disregarded in a child's development (e.g. because of malnutrition), the body reaches the predicted height nonetheless. The body sometimes works in our favour. The bad news is that this realisation doesn't change reality, surgery or LDAR.

The mandibular symphysis typically fuses around age 1.

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The other functional growth plate in the mandibular is the condylar process. The rest of the skull also has growth plates, but they close earlier than expected.

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4. The mechanism of action and nature of the changes present yet another problem.

Let's hypothesise it all works out, there is no way to induce symmetrical growth. There are asymmetries occuring naturally, there is no reason to think supraphysiological bone growth would be any different.

The safest bet to avoid growth errors would be systemic stimulation since local injections are unpredictable. However, that assumes they remain local. Even esterless androgens pass through the whole bloodstream of the body before being metabolised.

5. AAS and peptides cannot remodel your skull.

It's insane assuming they'll cause the skull to gain CCW rotation and realign bones just because someone projects it would. The theory is that it thickens bones, nothing more.
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After acknowledging that abusing steroids and peptides for an absurd purpose (this being facial bone growth) is asking for failure, I'm offering a solution.

The truth always remains in front of our eyes. Surgery whether someone likes it or not is the only realistic solution. The only limiting factor for that outcome is money (thus time), so grind or it'll remain a dream.

Spoiler: Tags

@imontheloose @chadisbeingmade @Eltrē @Orc @DORIAN

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Holy Gatekeeo

 

[iblamealin]

Good thread.

 

[garoutheincelReturn]

@ZyzzReincarnate

by any chance are u a master yi main in the NA server LOL funny seeing you on here

 

[movrax]

I didn’t read a single letter yet but I already got this Question:

Wouldn’t acromegaly prove that HGH actually does provide facial changes that would be beneficial in lower dosages that don’t cause acromegaly, or is it a special case that doesn’t correlate with each other?

There is a big difference between endogenic gh and hgh that you inject (exogenic). Also if one really has a tumor in their pituitary the main cause of the problem lies in the missing suppression of the occuring hormone. It's obvious that chronically high gh levels will lead to bigger acral parts. Tho I don't think that anyone could manipulate their hormone level's to make these more desirable. Maybe in theory but there is no evidence that you can make yourself more "aesthetically pleasing"

 

[slaters]

There is a big difference between endogenic gh and hgh that you inject (exogenic). Also if one really has a tumor in their pituitary the main cause of the problem lies in the missing suppression of the occuring hormone. It's obvious that chronically high gh levels will lead to bigger acral parts. Tho I don't think that anyone could manipulate their hormone level's to make these more desirable. Maybe in theory but there is no evidence that you can make yourself more "aesthetically pleasing"

@jeb98 would benefit

 

[Deleted member 165250]

@jeb98 would benefit

yes probably

 

[SlayerJonas]

So your saying Hgh doesn’t increase height when plates are open?

very badly worded question, GH won't make you surpass your genetic ceiling

the idea of height regardless of nutrition being reached is clearly false, theres so many millions even men that are well abovr their parents height, theres clearly some weird unknown association between this massive height difference between parents and children

So you say the descendants of the ethnics that came to the west and are taller than their parents will grow multiple inches each generation. logic 404

+ The body delays growth plate closure if malnutritioned

Genetics are everything

After age 5 yes. Only the environmental factors before that age matter

 

[mogging2eternity]

GH won't make you surpass your genetic ceiling

can we pin this

 

[SlayerJonas]

can we pin this

People will close their eyes regardless, there is only so much we can do blud

 

[Insomnia]

People will close their eyes regardless, there is only so much we can do blud

Even when this thread was pinned people were still asking if peptides will give them bonemass. I can’t wait for this wave of stupidity to end