Two weeks post jaw surgery

[GordonFreeman]

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Your after is much better.

Do you think my 3/4 and frontal look better in the after too?

 

[GordonFreeman]

he barely has any ramus. He needs ramus lengthening to drop the gonials a bit.

Lol
Everybody let's brickmaxx, stop looking like pathetic human

 

[Usum]

Rome was not built in one day.

 

[WillVisitGandy]

I need your honest opinion
Do you think I have any resemblance to this guy?


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No dude, your jaw is good and will be even better after loosing the bloat

 

[GordonFreeman]

hope you complement this with some serious gymmax you fucking chad, keep us informed about your new life (treatment of people, chicks and so on). congratulations!

I was a gymcel before. But I lost a lot of weight with this surgery.

An advice for those who's gonna break their jaws - buy a pair of pants 2-3 sizes smaller than your current size

 

[GordonFreeman]

Youre so fat man

Dude, I'm not fat at all



My mandible just has round edges, also I'm still swollen

 

[RazerGlazer]

Dude, I'm not fat at all



My mandible just has round edges, also I'm still swollen

Did you noticed some changes on your nasolabial folds after surgery? Did they got reduced? usually after a surgery like this your nasolabial folds should reduce bcs your skin is streched now cause the doctor move your jaws forward.

 

[MentalistKebab]

@GordonFreeman are u regretting you didnt have more forward growth ?

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Lol
Everybody let's brickmaxx, stop looking like pathetic human

All I'm saying is, that he needs more ramus, drop the gonion just ever so slightly and it'll look great

 

[GordonFreeman]

Did you noticed some changes on your nasolabial folds after surgery? Did they got reduced? usually after a surgery like this your nasolabial folds should reduce bcs your skin is streched now cause the doctor move your jaws forward.

I can't tell for sure, since I'm still swollen in that area.
They seem to be less deep tho
But there's a deep dent right behind the nostrils, where the nasolabial fold begins.

 

[GordonFreeman]

@GordonFreeman are u regretting you didnt have more forward growth ?

Dude, did you even read the post?
I fucking regret for going too much with advancement. I should've asked for half of what I got

 

[RazerGlazer]

Dude, did you even read the post?
I fucking regret for going too much with advancement. I should've asked for half of what I got

fucking kids on this forum, forward growth is just a meme and they still dont get that..

 

[Deleted member 4430]

fucking kids on this forum, forward growth is just a meme and they still dont get that..

How so?

 

[RazerGlazer]

How so?

do you want to end up looking like a babuin?

Face needs to be balanced in terms of proportions.

 

[MentalistKebab]

fucking kids on this forum, forward growth is just a meme and they still dont get that..

Bro we can counter it with this implant :

https://looksmax.org/posts/2597032/

Dude, did you even read the post?
I fucking regret for going too much with advancement. I should've asked for half of what I got

Nah bro you look good. @Dr Shekelberg 's avi or bust tbh ngl

 

[Deleted member 4430]

do you want to end up looking like a babuin?

Face needs to be balanced in terms of proportions.

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Yes, in the case of Lefort I area, when upper maxilla stay reccesed. But natural forward maxilla is desired for slaying.

 

[Y2J97]

Dude, did you even read the post?
I fucking regret for going too much with advancement. I should've asked for half of what I got

Please stop coping, you have done the minimum movement.

Forward Growth is important, but you have to consider harmony obv (you can't just keep everything forward without consider nasion, zygos and browridge).

In my opinion good result, but you had to do in you case clockwise rotation, and bigger movement with genioplastic to achieve a more definition due the V shape.

Currently yes a good improvement, but in my taste you look like a Roblox a little bit.

 

[Y2J97]

fucking kids on this forum, forward growth is just a meme and they still dont get that..

When the cope is too strong

 

[Deleted member 5859]

Mogs me

 

[Lawyer]

In my opinion good result, but you had to do in you case clockwise rotation, and bigger movement with genioplastic to achieve a more definition due the V shape.

He said that his occlusal plane was perfect prior the surgery.

Currently yes a good improvement, but in my taste you look like a Roblox a little bit.

He is still swollen.

 

[Y2J97]

He is still swollen.

I know, he will improve after the swollen it will go away.

He said that his occlusal plane was perfect prior the surgery.

The point is, if was a clearly short face without short gonial angle and no definition.
It literally the same as a case of our Italian group, this guy was operated by Mirco Raffaini and made a huge result, with clockwise rotation and genioplastic (forward and vertically projection).

I want to point out that the movement of GordonFreeman was little, if I had been in him I would have opted for clockwise and more anteface.

 

[GordonFreeman]

Please stop coping, you have done the minimum movement.

you can't just keep everything forward without consider nasion, zygos and browridge

You're contradicting yourself mate

 

[Y2J97]

You're contradicting yourself mate

You literally put togheter casual words in my sentences.

Of course, you have to consider other elements of you face before the surgery, cuz you can't bring forward without reason.

But in my opinion remain the same: you have done the minimum, if I was you I would bring more forward the chin (at least 6mm) for more anteface and definition, and a clockwise.

Saying "I made to much movement" is cope because is not the true.

 

[GordonFreeman]

Of course, you have to consider other elements of you face before the surgery, cuz you can't bring forward without reason.

This is the very reason why I say 7mm was too much for me.

How can you say you'd ask for a greater movement, if you were me, considering that I have 0 forward projection of both the midface and browridge?

This is not a lf3 to go for a full inch of advancement.

Anyways, pm me when you're finished with your surgeries, I'm curious af to see the results

 

[Y2J97]

This is the very reason why I say 7mm was too much for me.

How can you say you'd ask for a greater movement, if you were me, considering that I have 0 forward projection of both the midface and browridge?

This is not a lf3 to go for a full inch of advancement.

Anyways, pm me when you're finished with your surgeries, I'm curious af to see the results

But 7mm of BSSO are gold, don't get my wrong.

I was referring to Genioplastic, I think you could ask something more there, when you open your mandible/maxilla it should be the last time for obviuos reasons.

Hope your swelling go away fastly, to see the final result!

About me of course, I've short face too andI will send what I'm talking about.

I think the ascension is a ride, so for this reason I choose to do my Bimax's movement in prevision on my future Implants.

 

[GordonFreeman]

But 7mm of BSSO are gold

I agree, and I like my mandible, but the problem is the maxilla. You can't move the lower jaw only.
You have to move your maxilla as well.
And this is where all the problems begin. Moving only the chin will make you look like a banana, moving only the mandible will leave you with severe underbite, moving both jaws too much will turn you into a monkey.

 

[anti caking agents]

I was a gymcel before. But I lost a lot of weight with this surgery.

An advice for those who's gonna break their jaws - buy a pair of pants 2-3 sizes smaller than your current size

TWO BIRDS ONE STONE.

LOWER THIRD MAXXING + LEANMAXXING.

 

[anti caking agents]

I know, he will improve after the swollen it will go away.



The point is, if was a clearly short face without short gonial angle and no definition.
It literally the same as a case of our Italian group, this guy was operated by Mirco Raffaini and made a huge result, with clockwise rotation and genioplastic (forward and vertically projection).

I want to point out that the movement of GordonFreeman was little, if I had been in him I would have opted for clockwise and more anteface.

Who was operated by Raffaini? Got contact details? Would love to talk to him. Getting surgery from Raffaini myself.

 

[baruch]

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Do you think my 3/4 and frontal look better in the after too?

Too lazy to look at 3/4. Frontal for sure.
Look at thirds of your face. In the before your lower third was too short. Now it is harmonized.
Also look at your lips. They are fuller now and the corners are neutral. Before they were down turned.
You had a great result. Consider yourself blessed

 

[GordonFreeman]

Too lazy to look at 3/4. Frontal for sure.
Look at thirds of your face. In the before your lower third was too short. Now it is harmonized.
Also look at your lips. They are fuller now and the corners are neutral. Before they were down turned.
You had a great result. Consider yourself blessed

Thanks
I just gotta chill out a bit
Tbh my face changes everyday and it starts looking better and better as the swelling subsides

 

[GordonFreeman]

TWO BIRDS ONE STONE.

LOWER THIRD MAXXING + LEANMAXXING.

Yeah if it wasn't mostly my muscles

 

[Dutcher]

I know, he will improve after the swollen it will go away.



The point is, if was a clearly short face without short gonial angle and no definition.
It literally the same as a case of our Italian group, this guy was operated by Mirco Raffaini and made a huge result, with clockwise rotation and genioplastic (forward and vertically projection).

I want to point out that the movement of GordonFreeman was little, if I had been in him I would have opted for clockwise and more anteface.

C

 

[Barbarossa_]

I fucking regret for going too much with advancement. I should've asked for half of what I got

what are you talking about man you look great!
stop with this none sense
imo it's perfect

 

[RazerGlazer]

Thanks
I just gotta chill out a bit
Tbh my face changes everyday and it starts looking better and better as the swelling subsides

how is your speaking? can you speak better now?

 

[GordonFreeman]

how is your speaking? can you speak better now?

Yes, but the lisp is still there, and the pitch is still high, but seems that it starts to get lower a bit. Or I'm just getting used to it, idk for sure
I will probably need to work on my pronunciation.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Your lips look fuller but also more narrow in the after.

Is that just an illusion because of the wider nose? Are your lips the same width as before do you think, or even wider than before? Or have your lips narrowed.

Also, did your palate width change? Will the braces give you a wider smile now, or has that been kept at the same width.

Thanks

 

[GordonFreeman]

Your lips look fuller but also more narrow in the after.

Is that just an illusion because of the wider nose? Are your lips the same width as before do you think, or even wider than before? Or have your lips narrowed.

Also, did your palate width change? Will the braces give you a wider smile now, or has that been kept at the same width.

Thanks

I too notice that they look narrower now. As you already mentioned, it's because the nose got wider
My palate width is the same, I didn't get a segmental LeFort.
I'm gonna ask the surgeon is it's possible to increase intercanine width with orthodontic treatment. That's 100% will push corners of the lips out, making wider.

 

[Deleted member 4797]

I too notice that they look narrower now. As you already mentioned, it's because the nose got wider
My palate width is the same, I didn't get a segmental LeFort.
I'm gonna ask the surgeon is it's possible to increase intercanine width with orthodontic treatment. That's 100% will push corners of the lips out, making wider.

Thats a good idea, its a hallmark of an attractive mouth to have forward set lip corners, making the mouth relatively flat from side-side.

And this result by Andreischev, where the Palate got much wider (though I dont know if he got Segmental Lefort or not), is the biggest mouth area improvement I've seen:

Palate Widening:

Mouth width/forward lip corners effect:

Still though, your lips did improve notably.

 

[GordonFreeman]

Thats a good idea, its a hallmark of an attractive mouth to have forward set lip corners, making the mouth relatively flat from side-side.

And this result by Andreischev, where the Palate got much wider (though I dont know if he got Segmental Lefort or not), is the biggest mouth area improvement I've seen:

Palate Widening:
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Mouth width/forward lip corners effect:
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Still though, your lips did improve notably.

He looks better with his mouth being shut.
Idk why but his smile in the after looks a bit creepy. I even think his smile was better before, kek.
That's just my opinion
Also jfl at that haircut, what is that, did he shave his hair to raise the hairline?

 

[GordonFreeman]

Thats a good idea, its a hallmark of an attractive mouth to have forward set lip corners, making the mouth relatively flat from side-side

100% agree but I need a square chin to get this.

 

[Deleted member 2382]

Inspirational result tbh
This has made me consider consulting with Dr A.
I have the money needed, maybe I'll just move to Russia for a while and get the orthodontic work and surgery done

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Thats a good idea, its a hallmark of an attractive mouth to have forward set lip corners, making the mouth relatively flat from side-side.

And this result by Andreischev, where the Palate got much wider (though I dont know if he got Segmental Lefort or not), is the biggest mouth area improvement I've seen:

Palate Widening:
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Mouth width/forward lip corners effect:
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Still though, your lips did improve notably.

What do you think of lateral commisuroplasty for those with a narrow mouth and palate?

 

[Deleted member 4797]

What do you think of lateral commisuroplasty for those with a narrow mouth and palate?

Terrible idea unless you wanna go jokER lol.

 

[Deleted member 7776]

Terrible idea unless you wanna go jokER lol.

Hm, I mean, it's supposed to work but then usually with narrow mouths comes a narrow palate so why wouldn't you go for MSE instead?

 

[GordonFreeman]

get the orthodontic work

You can get it done in your country.
There's a thing called surgery first protocol.
Basically you find an orthodontist in your country, then you get your surgery with Dr.A(you'll have to stay for 10 days in Russia), then you come back home and your orthodontist completes the job.

 

[Deleted member 2382]

You can get it done in your country.
There's a thing called surgery first protocol.
Basically you find an orthodontist in your country, then you get your surgery with Dr.A(you'll have to stay for 10 days in Russia), then you come back home and your orthodontist completes the job.

That would be my preferred option, I wasn't sure which surgeons provided surgery first
I have a class III bite so what I need done is lefort 1 for functional purposes and I want my palate expanded as well (I think he offers this in the same surgery?)
I also want chin wing for aesthetic purposes

 

[GordonFreeman]

I have a class III bite

Doesn't your insurance/state cover this?

 

[Deleted member 2382]

Doesn't your insurance/state cover this?

Never had insurance, I got braces when I was 16 (25 now) which were free but it couldn't fix things properly and the orthodontists couldn't give a fuck

 

[Deleted member 4797]

Hm, I mean, it's supposed to work but then usually with narrow mouths comes a narrow palate so why wouldn't you go for MSE instead?

Its always best to fix the bone structure, rather than the flesh.

 

[Deleted member 6310]

Its always best to fix the bone structure, rather than the flesh.

You’re saying MSE primarily addresses flesh instead of bone?