Why counting calories is a fucking scam

[raleqtambrobret]

since being carnivore i have never felt better and lost bf effortlessly without tracking calories just knowing how much meat i’ve eaten (1.5kg today so far).

you've been on carnivore for what? 3 days?
give it 3 months and your eating disorder will return, you're nothing but an animal

 

[appeal]

you've been on carnivore for what? 3 days?
give it 3 months and your eating disorder will return, you're nothing but an animal

i’ve been on it for longer than half a year. i have eaten carbs as cheat before and felt like absolute shit

 

[DR. NICKGA]

@MA_ascender his rules was show my face tiktok live debate
Niggas make any rule to make themselves seem smart, then he tried debating me here in replied if u want to check and then when i reply with something he cant debate he ignores me

There is no debate needed

He alr got destroyed by univer in this thread

Carnivore diet / Raw Meat

1. Fiber isn’t required for human beings and is actually contra-indicated (bad). 2. Muscle meat and associated fats have enough Vitamin C that we require. If there wasn’t, then you would see people who eat 100% carnivore have Scurvy. Where’s my Scurvy after 10 months of raw carnivore daily...

looksmax.org

After that he got destroyed is lying that he gained 11 lbs of muscle because of the carnivore raw meat diet

 

[MA_ascender]

@MA_ascender his rules was show my face tiktok live debate
Niggas make any rule to make themselves seem smart, then he tried debating me here in replied if u want to check and then when i reply with something he cant debate he ignores me

You guys should meet in the middle and debate on discord, but anyone on .org can join the server to watch


@Never Get Up

 

[Rigged]

you fucking pussy cunt
start the livestream


hahahjashjasdhjahsjhjahjahujahjahahhahaa, please do it

Ill run it any day but hes adding stipulations make it impossible for me lmao, all he needs to do is discord debate and stream it to tiktok we can even get a debate server judge and ik alot of them, and no face cam

 

[raleqtambrobret]

i’ve been on it for longer than half a year. i have eaten carbs as cheat before and felt like absolute shit

you had a cheat day 3 days ago you absolute fucking mong.
according to your daddy @Never Get Up it takes MONTHS if not YEARS to truly be a carnivore, where all the carbs in your body have finally been detoxed out.

you're just coping with the fact that you can't handle low calorie diets

 

[lestoa]

Ill run it any day but hes adding stipulations make it impossible for me lmao, all he needs to do is discord debate and stream it to tiktok we can even get a debate server judge and ik alot of them, and no face cam

@Never Get Up
come on nigger do it, why are you not doing it ?

 

[Rigged]

You guys should meet in the middle and debate on discord, but anyone on .org can join the server to watch


@Never Get Up

Exactly what i said id be down ofc no face too

He made 6?of the rules i can choose 2 very irrelavent ones to change i thnk thats fair

 

[AustrianMogger]

Can someone answer?

 

[lestoa]

You guys should meet in the middle and debate on discord, but anyone on .org can join the server to watch


@Never Get Up

bump

 

[MA_ascender]

Exactly what i said id be down ofc no face too

He made 6?of the rules i can choose 2 very irrelavent ones to change i thnk thats fair

I hope any one of you two actually values this and isn't just yapping to prove a point

 

[DR. NICKGA]

There is no debate needed

He alr got destroyed by univer in this thread

Carnivore diet / Raw Meat

1. Fiber isn’t required for human beings and is actually contra-indicated (bad). 2. Muscle meat and associated fats have enough Vitamin C that we require. If there wasn’t, then you would see people who eat 100% carnivore have Scurvy. Where’s my Scurvy after 10 months of raw carnivore daily...

looksmax.org

After that he got destroyed he started lying that he gained 11 lbs of muscle because of tis carnivore raw meat diet

 

[TheBiggestIncelEver]

Scroll up dumbass. He’s the one who didn’t agree to my rules.

Should I drink raw milk and avoid carbohydrates? What are the benefits?

 

[lestoa]

Scroll up dumbass. He’s the one who didn’t agree to my rules.

hop on the call

 

[Rigged]

I hope any one of you two actually values this and isn't just yapping to prove a point

Wdym value? I dont value anything he says as he doesnt know what hes taking about

 

[appeal]

you had a cheat day 3 days ago you absolute fucking mong.
according to your daddy @Never Get Up it takes MONTHS if not YEARS to truly be a carnivore, where all the carbs in your body have finally been detoxed out.

you're just coping with the fact that you can't handle low calorie diets

what difference does it make if i cheated this ain’t a religion. carbs taste good no doubt about it, i have them rarely now. idc what he thinks about it. your coping since carbs taste good and want to continue eating them. i eat meat eggs and butter most of the time and feel better for it

 

[MA_ascender]

Wdym value? I dont value anything he says as he doesnt know what hes taking about

Nah I meant value the idea of actually having a civil debate


Even tho this is a "facts" subject and not really a "debate" subject, I think we would all benefit from hearing what everyone has to say and what lets them think that way.

 

[raleqtambrobret]

what difference does it make if i cheated. carbs taste good no doubt about it, i have them rarely now. idc what he thinks about it. your coping since carbs taste good and want to continue eating them. i eat meat eggs and butter most of the time and feel better for it

just completely ignore what i've written and rant on emotionally about how I am the one coping and not the one with a literal eating disorder that he can't manage

even women have better self-control than you, i give up on arguing with a sub-woman.

 

[Rigged]

Nah I meant value the idea of actually having a civil debate


Even tho this is a "facts" subject and not really a "debate" subject, I think we would all benefit from hearing what everyone has to say and what lets them think that way.

as ive stated before ive been debating professionaly for a while now, not as a job but as a hobby, ive judged and ran hundreds of debates on official servers id be civilized

 

[MA_ascender]

as ive stated before ive been debating professionaly for a while now, not as a job but as a hobby, ive judged and ran hundreds of debates on official servers id be civilized

@Never Get Up he's up to it, backing out = pussying out

 

[DR. NICKGA]

as ive stated before ive been debating professionaly for a while now, not as a job but as a hobby, ive judged and ran hundreds of debates on official servers id be civilized

Well really?

If you were smart you would know that dht is a utterly trash hormone

I am pretty sure you are a dht lover

 

[appeal]

just completely ignore what i've written and rant on emotionally about how I am the one coping and not the one with a literal eating disorder that he can't manage

even women have better self-control than you, i give up on arguing with a sub-woman.

idk what your arguing for. eat as you wish. as will i. me saying you don’t need to count cals and eat carbs doesn’t mean you need to follow that.
it’s also indeed so i don’t have to eat low cals, i don’t see why i would eat low cals and starvemax instead of eating higher cals and be satiated and have nutrients and achieve the same and better results

 

[MA_ascender]

@lestoa imagine we gather 200 users, all waiting eagerly in the discord for the debate to Start, it took weeks to convince both parties to do this...


"NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIG-"

-discord disconnected sound

 

[lestoa]

@lestoa imagine we gather 200 users, all waiting eagerly in the discord for the debate to Start, it took weeks to convince both parties to do this...


"NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIG-"

-discord disconnected sound

it would be so funny man ; (

 

[Rigged]

Well really?

If you were smart you would know that dht is a utterly trash hormone

If u used ur eyes ud look at my profile post and see in my most recent convo i shit on dht, dht has different purposes i dont hink its a heavenly hormone but it has benefits im very neurtral on it and my stance changes depending on ur goal from it

 

[moreplatesmoreweigh]

Reminds me of when I was COUNTING my Cals at 12. Eating 1200 a day made real with counting. No cardio, gym only 3x a week and minimal walking. Lost 4 kg in 3 weeks

 

[DR. NICKGA]

If u used ur eyes ud look at my profile post and see in my most recent convo i shit on dht, dht has different purposes i dont hink its a heavenly hormone but it has benefits im very neurtral on it and my stance changes depending on ur goal from it

Yeah i know

Dht is a trash hormone i know

 

[Rigged]

@lestoa imagine we gather 200 users, all waiting eagerly in the discord for the debate to Start, it took weeks to convince both parties to do this...


"NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIG-"

-discord disconnected sound

Tbh neither of us are good speakers most likely lol, it would prolly be a bunch of ummms and likeees anyways

 

[Rigged]

Yeah i know

Dht is a trash hormone i know

Nah its a neutral one

 

[raleqtambrobret]

idk what your arguing for. eat as you wish. as will i. me saying you don’t need to count cals and eat carbs doesn’t mean you need to follow that.
it’s also indeed so i don’t have to eat low cals, i don’t see why i would eat low cals and starvemax instead of eating higher cals and be satiated and have nutrients and achieve the same and better results

i've literally written earlier in this thread why you should keep shitposts like this thread in OFFTOPIC
there's too many gullible normal people in the looksmaxxing section who will follow this retarded advice and looksmin themselves, if not completely ruin their HEALTH.

i'm done arguing with you, you have zero clue of what you're talking about and don't even bother reading half the stuff i write

 

[Never Get Up]

@Never Get Up he's up to it, backing out = pussying out

Face must be shown. I will not repeat myself.

 

[DR. NICKGA]

Face must be shown. I will not repeat myself.

You are scared

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

Face must be shown. I will not repeat myself.

Making excuses ur just scared

 

[(In)CelibatePsycho2]

Ca

You probably heard @Never Get Up say this a million times but calories is a unit for measuring heat. We don't burn heat for energy, we are not a fucking train, we use ATP for energy. This heat energy in also in a closed system. You don’t eat heat energy, you’re not a closed system.

Calories are an excuse pushed by the carbohydrate industry to blame their victims for becoming obese and dying of diabetes. Eat when hungry, stop eating when your not hungry. It is such a simple idea yet so difficult for people to understand. Our ancestors counted nothing yet now everyone thinks we need a calculator to eat.

By law, food labels can be in error of the "calories" inside their product by up to 20%. This mean if you think you supposedly eat 2000 "calories" a day, your not, it could be anywhere from 1600 - 2400 "calories" in reality.

Also, protein shouldn't even be counted as calories as it's not even used for energy but as a building block. Ofc, if you overeat on protein your body will turn into glucose but that rarely happens for the average person, escpecially those that destroy their bodies on "caloric deficit" diets.

There are many more problems (bioavailability, enzymes, digestion health...) with counting calories.

The only reason caloric deficit works is because people vastly cut their food intake to a dangerous level where they do lose weight but fuck up their body in the long run.

You can only use glucose or fat for energy. If you combine both within a meal you activate your Randle cycle and you nuke your body with inflammation.

You have option A: use only glucose ie. plants for energy and risk severe malnourishment in 3-4 years and pretty bad chronic health problems.

Or option B: go on a high fat carnivore diet and compeltely forget about calories, meal counting and other autistic diet strategies. You will feel healthy, satiated, and your body will self-correct any weight problems.



Just remember, calories are a bullshit propaganda that the corrupt grain industry uses to blame their victims for obesity caused by grain and sugar merchants.

Can’t you just split your carbs and fats into different meals

 

[Deleted member 110247]

im skinnyfat i just wanna be lean man

 

[Tallest person here]

legit all subhumans with subhuman aging. it never used to be like this.

u werent there tho so how would you know

 

[Tallest person here]

Face must be shown. I will not repeat myself.

do u not have employment, school or social life to worry about since its being livestreamed on tiktok?

and why didnt u reply to his long paragraph where he seemed to disprove everything you said about randle cycle etc (idk anything about this topic so i say "seemed")

 

[Never Get Up]

do u not have employment, school or social life to worry about since its being livestreamed on tiktok?

and why didnt u reply to his long paragraph where he seemed to disprove everything you said about randle cycle etc (idk anything about this topic so i say "seemed")

He didn’t disprove anything, hence why I didn’t waste any time with those low IQ remarks. Any competent scientist would stop reading the moment he brought up cholesterol.

 

[appeal]

i’ve legit had to mute this thread, 4 pages in a few hours is wild

 

[Never Get Up]

i’ve legit had to mute this thread, 4 pages in a few hours is wild

They’re all trying to debunk me and it’s hilarious. Low T carbohydrate addicted faggots could never do what I do. They can’t handle the IQ mog.

 

[UnevenNeckshi]

This heat energy in also in a closed system. You don’t eat heat energy, you’re not a closed system.

Calories are an excuse pushed by the carbohydrate industry to blame their victims for becoming obese and dying of diabetes. Eat when hungry, stop eating when your not hungry. It is such a simple idea yet so difficult for people to understand. Our ancestors counted nothing yet now everyone thinks we need a calculator to eat.

By law, food labels can be in error of the "calories" inside their product by up to 20%. This mean if you think you supposedly eat 2000 "calories" a day, your not, it could be anywhere from 1600 - 2400 "calories" in reality.

ik exactly what video you watched before posting this LMAO

 

[Disrupted Gene]

Correlation leads to causation not everything is proven

False. Causal links can only be drawn through controlled experiments.

 

[Disrupted Gene]

removing every variable isnt possible, ur limited by metabolic constraints also an example of my point is the link between sfats and cardio disease, it was originally correlation then we proved RCTs thru LDL impact and we got our causation

Saturated fats do not cause atherosclerosis nor heart disease. That is a misconception that is frequently pushed in scientific literature.

 

[looks>books]

Meat eaters:
@Never Get Up @FaceandBBC @PrimalPlasty @Scottrg

Tag me in this too

 

[looks>books]

Yup

Just be healthy/natural/primal

Stop eating crap

 

[HorseMan7]

i’ve been on it for longer than half a year. i have eaten carbs as cheat before and felt like absolute shit

I'm pretty sure the super low carb keto dieting induces insulin resistance when you do it for long enough. I had a keto phase where I was also doing 48 hour fasts every two weeks or so. I ended that diet by adding carbs back into my diet suddenly and within like 3 months I was the fattest I have ever been. I gained like 20 pounds. Then, the weight gradually came off and now I'm able to eat carbs again without getting fat. It's not ideal to do the low carb thing long term.

 

[Rigged]

False. Causal links can only be drawn through controlled experiments.

Ur wrong modern frameworks set causation from observational data without needing any controlled experiments, this point and ur next are both retarded

 

[Rigged]

Saturated fats do not cause atherosclerosis nor heart disease. That is a misconception that is frequently pushed in scientific literature.

Its not a misconception this is a retarded take, its been established that sfats raise LDL-C, unless u want to disprove the datasets then u can ahead and do it here and disprove every study done on this agreeing with me

Graycels talking out their asses again

 

[Disrupted Gene]

Ur wrong modern frameworks set causation from observational data without needing any controlled experiments, this point and ur next are both retarded

The first thing you will learn in statistics is that cause and effect can only be determined when it is in a controlled experiement, where all confounders are accounted for.

Its not a misconception this is a retarded take, its been established that sfats raise LDL-C, unless u want to disprove the datasets then u can ahead and do it here and disprove every study done on this agreeing with me

Graycels talking out their asses again

I never said saturated fats didnt raise LDL cholesterol, I said they do not cause atherosclerosis. Saturated fats lead to an increase in low density ldl particles which are unable to penetrate the endothelial and contribute to atherosclerosis. Fructose raises small dense ldl particles which easily penetrate the endothelial, which places fructose as the main driver behind atherosclerosis and therefore heart disease caused by high LDL.

 

[Rigged]

The first thing you will learn in statistics is that cause and effect can only be determined when it is in a controlled experiement, where all confounders are accounted for.

This is not a what u learn modern casual inference account for confounders, like mendelian randomization uses variants to infer causality, also theres no experiment that removes confounders, all it does is minimize them probablisticlaly, even RCTs end up with confounding, ur using an old view of causality as ur reference point

I never said saturated fats didnt raise LDL cholesterol, I said they do not cause atherosclerosis. Saturated fats lead to an increase in low density ldl particles which are unable to penetrate the endothelial and contribute to atherosclerosis. Fructose raises small dense ldl particles which easily penetrate the endothelial, which places fructose as the main driver behind atherosclerosis and therefore heart disease caused by high LDL.

U dont understand how LDLs affect athero, sdLDLs are more atberogenic, lbLDLs are not inert, lbLDLs contribute to LDLs ovr, which is proportional to athero risk, athero is caused by cumulative LDL retenjion in the arterial intima, irrespective to particle size, also just cause cause fructose metabolism affects sdLDL thru hepatic de novo lipogenesis doesnt asbolve how sfats affect CVD, lowering LDL-Cs lowers athero progression, u disregarded systemic lbLDLs