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Why can’t you corticopuncture those other 2 sutures horizontal of the midline suture with mse or an expander meant for forward growth to induce-“forward growth”??
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Thats what I was thinking too. I have came to a conclusion since then and the reason is probably because of 3 reasons:View attachment 1440280
Why can’t you corticopuncture those other 2 sutures horizontal of the midline suture with mse or an expander meant for forward growth to induce-“forward growth”??
mewing does not chance skeletal structure past puberty... Show me 1 person that significantly made their maxilla more forward grown with just applying force by their tongue past puberty...because you have a tongue that does that, and it should be your main pillar of support when it comes to mouth posture
mewing does not chance skeletal structure past puberty... Show me 1 person that significantly made their maxilla more forward grown with just applying force by their tongue past puberty...
I noticed you can see the location of the transverse palatine suture without any special tools, you’ll see the spot where the hard palate transitions into the soft palate and the suture line will be visibleThats what I was thinking too. I have came to a conclusion since then and the reason is probably because of 3 reasons:
1. Newtons basic law of force, so when two objects interact, they apply forces to each other of equal magnitude and opposite direction. Therefore an expander appliance used on this area will indeed apply force onto the maxilla in a forward way, but it will also apply a force in a backwards way onto the pterygoid process. Who knows what that would cause...
2. Transversal palatal suture isn't usually a straight line unlike midpalatal suture(take the first 2 photos as an example). It has a different shape on different people. So corticopuncturing it might not be accurate. Maybe with cone beam ct determining the shape of the transversal palatal suture and making an applience/splint to be able to accurately corticopuncture the transversal palatal suture line(like in the 3rd 4th and 5th photos) would be possible however I am not sure if cone bean ct would be able to see the transversal palatal suture line clearly...
3. other sutures of the maxilla are not as malleable as the midpalatal suture. The midpalatal suture is basically the only suture that requires such low amounts of force to be split. Other sutures will probably need much higher amounts of force
So basically there is 1 major issue that needs to be solved to create that kind of appliance and that is creating a device that will exert force in 1 way only, which is not possible as far as my basic physics knowledge goes. That is why the only option available to us is protraction face mask(pr facepulling if you want to call it that way) for now
I have some weird idea that eliminates the facemask and puts force in 1 way only but it probably is too dangerous and would not be fit for human use...
Tbh first tranformation definetely looks legit to me.you are giving salludon as an example, no one is sure if his results are natural or he did something else... I also don't believe that he got major surgery done however I highly doubt that he was recessed before he started mewing and doing other things... So unless you show before pictures as well I will not consider him as an example of an adult who completely changed their skeletal structure by mewing only...
I didn't know this... So the part that transitions from hard palate to soft palate is where the transverse palatine suture is located?I noticed you can see the location of the transverse palatine suture without any special tools, you’ll see the spot where the hard palate transitions into the soft palate and the suture line will be visible
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What’s your weird idea?
I have been mewing for 7 years. Since I first learned about it, so I was 15 at the time. It really helped me about something and that is chronic pharyngitis. Due to constantly breathing from my mouth I always had a sore throat. It has been years now since I last had it. So obviously I am not saying that mewing has no benefits to adults. It's the natural thing to do, breathing the way we are supposed to, swallowing in a normal way, chewing, putting tongue on the roof of the mouth, everybody should be doing it whether they are young or not. However saying something like it will change the skeletal structure is absurd. I can tell you that in those 7 years I haven't seen a mm of chance in my facial structure. 7 years is a long time and I was very young when I started as well. It obviously doesn't do anything ''skeletally'' for adults. The example you give is clearly not recessed to start with. And the pictures are in black and white to add with that. A little bit more beard, different lighting, putting tongue on the roof of the mouth which raises the hyoid bone and makes the jawline look sharper because the skin under the jaw will not look saggy, maybe some non surgical procedures and there you go, you can easily get the second picture as a result.Tbh first tranformation definetely looks legit to me.
Were you hard mewing and improving posture or merely nose breathing?I have been mewing for 7 years. Since I first learned about it, so I was 15 at the time. It really helped me about something and that is chronic pharyngitis. Due to constantly breathing from my mouth I always had a sore throat. It has been years now since I last had it. So obviously I am not saying that mewing has no benefits to adults. It's the natural thing to do, breathing the way we are supposed to, swallowing in a normal way, chewing, putting tongue on the roof of the mouth, everybody should be doing it whether they are young or not. However saying something like it will change the skeletal structure is absurd. I can tell you that in those 7 years I haven't seen a mm of chance in my facial structure. 7 years is a long time and I was very young when I started as well. It obviously doesn't do anything ''skeletally'' for adults. The example you give is clearly not recessed to start with. And the pictures are in black and white to add with that. A little bit more beard, different lighting, putting tongue on the roof of the mouth which raises the hyoid bone and makes the jawline look sharper because the skin under the jaw will not look saggy, maybe some non surgical procedures and there you go, you can easily get the second picture as a result.
I wasn't hard mewing, I was soft mewing(the natural way in my opinion). And yes, I have been breathing from my nose since I learned about mewing as well(Its the definition of mewing, putting your tongue in the palate and breathing from nose). It was hard to breathe from my nose back then, its still hard to breathe from my nose, but it has become such an habit even if I breathe from my mouth purposely I just go back to nose breathing without noticing after a while. I didn't do any chewing exercises with falim gum or mastic gum like some people do, because it was painful for me as my bite is not ideal thanks to my orthodontist. Actually the reason why I started mewing was because orthodontics fucked my face up and I was trying to find a way to correct it. At the beginning I really believed it would work as well because it made so much sense how braces can retract face and most of the orthodontic problems could be solved with palatal expander if caught early on. Mewing was the natural replica of that, plus you could do it 7/24. 7 years of doing that, but still no change... I will continue though because it improved my health, not everything is aesthetics. But I can say that you learn that it does not work on adults after trying it for so many years. Try it yourself, I bet you will not see any chances as well unfortunately...Were you hard mewing and improving posture or merely nose breathing?
Nah, man.I have been mewing for 7 years. Since I first learned about it, so I was 15 at the time. It really helped me about something and that is chronic pharyngitis. Due to constantly breathing from my mouth I always had a sore throat. It has been years now since I last had it. So obviously I am not saying that mewing has no benefits to adults. It's the natural thing to do, breathing the way we are supposed to, swallowing in a normal way, chewing, putting tongue on the roof of the mouth, everybody should be doing it whether they are young or not. However saying something like it will change the skeletal structure is absurd. I can tell you that in those 7 years I haven't seen a mm of chance in my facial structure. 7 years is a long time and I was very young when I started as well. It obviously doesn't do anything ''skeletally'' for adults. The example you give is clearly not recessed to start with. And the pictures are in black and white to add with that. A little bit more beard, different lighting, putting tongue on the roof of the mouth which raises the hyoid bone and makes the jawline look sharper because the skin under the jaw will not look saggy, maybe some non surgical procedures and there you go, you can easily get the second picture as a result.
Then it’s like putting an applianceNah, man.
You don't get the point, it's not just mewing.
He was in chin tuck position as long as he can througout the day and was pushing his back third of the tongue with extra force towards the palate.
It's very hard and it's painful af. And he used to do that all day long, and even when he slept, he was in chintuck position and his tongue was at the roof of the mouth automaticaly, bacause he was hard mewing all day.
Very few people can do that religiously and dedicated, because it's SUPER uncomfortable, especially if you are recessed, your whole skull sore and you can't breathe in that position.
Thats what I was thinking too. I have came to a conclusion since then and the reason is probably because of 3 reasons:
1. Newtons basic law of force, so when two objects interact, they apply forces to each other of equal magnitude and opposite direction. Therefore an expander appliance used on this area will indeed apply force onto the maxilla in a forward way, but it will also apply a force in a backwards way onto the pterygoid process. Who knows what that would cause...
2. Transversal palatal suture isn't usually a straight line unlike midpalatal suture(take the first 2 photos as an example). It has a different shape on different people. So corticopuncturing it might not be accurate. Maybe with cone beam ct determining the shape of the transversal palatal suture and making an applience/splint to be able to accurately corticopuncture the transversal palatal suture line(like in the 3rd 4th and 5th photos) would be possible however I am not sure if cone bean ct would be able to see the transversal palatal suture line clearly...
3. other sutures of the maxilla are not as malleable as the midpalatal suture. The midpalatal suture is basically the only suture that requires such low amounts of force to be split. Other sutures will probably need much higher amounts of force
So basically there is 1 major issue that needs to be solved to create that kind of appliance and that is creating a device that will exert force in 1 way only, which is not possible as far as my basic physics knowledge goes. That is why the only option available to us is protraction face mask(pr facepulling if you want to call it that way) for now
I have some weird idea that eliminates the facemask and puts force in 1 way only but it probably is too dangerous and would not be fit for human use...