Alhamdulillah - Islam spreading in the West ☝️

[mayo mogger]

lol nah

 

[CFW432]

nigga south asians have caucasoid skulls arent they are no beauty standards white skull is the most male dimorphic and highest fighting skull

South asians have caucasoid skull shapes, but their facial features are a hybrid mix between caucasoid facial features and abo facial features from aasi (ancient ancestral south indian). What makes south asians subhuman is their brown/dark brown/dark skin color + their hybrid caucasian/abo facial features. This is why the more north/northwestern you go, the "the better looking" the people become because they have more aryan and neolithic dna and less abo dna. Why do you think that most bollywood actors are lightskin chadpreets/stacypreets from northwestern states like punjab and haryana etc etc.

 

[Deleted member 29041]

Islam is prob most strongest religion in the earth.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Turbans dont just belong arabs lol. Turbans have been apart of south asia for almost 2000+ years. People in pakistan wear kurta pajma, shalwar kameez, sherwani and dupatta. None of these are arab. They are all either northwestern south asian influence, or turkic and persian influence. I dont feel inferior to arabs lol, i consider arabs to be a barbaric race of people, just like africans, but i still feel bad for them yes, cause most of them are muslims and they are suffering because of western and jewish oppression/meddling. The only superior people in the MENA in imo are iranian peoples. They have the best looks, dress, culture, history, language, and food.

That wasn’t what I was saying. But I didn’t phrase my point properly so that’s my fault. I meant the Arabic traditional tasseled scarf thing they wear the checkered one. That’s what I meant. As I said to @st.hamudi but 6‘5 im west African many of my people wear turbans and have been for over 5k years

 

[innervoid765]

The only superior people in the MENA in imo are iranian peoples. They have the best looks, dress, culture, history, language, and food.

JFL

half of them are ex muslim/athiest and the other half are shia

it baffles me that you as a sunni are choosing iranians of all people to praise

 

[CFW432]

JFL

half of them are ex muslim/athiest and the other half are shia

it baffles me that you as a sunni are choosing iranians of all people to praise

I never said i liked them for their religiosity lol. That shit sucks obviously, but you are literally coping if you dont recognize iranian superiority in terms of looks, dress, food, language, history, and culture compared to literally everyone else in MENA.

 

[mayo mogger]

South asians have caucasoid skull shapes, but their facial features are a hybrid mix between caucasoid facial features and abo facial features from aasi (ancient ancestral south indian). What makes south asians subhuman is their brown/dark brown/dark skin color + their hybrid caucasian/abo facial features. This is why the more north/northwestern you go, the "the better looking" the people become because they have more aryan and neolithic dna and less abo dna. Why do you think that most bollywood actors are lightskin chadpreets/stacypreets from northwestern states like punjab and haryana etc etc.

my honest reaction

 

[innervoid765]

I never said i liked them for their religiosity lol. That shit sucks obviously, but you are literally coping if you dont recognize iranian superiority in terms of looks, dress, food, language, history, and culture compared to literally everyone else in MENA.

looks wise they are mogged by levantines

gulf arabian/peninsular food is the best in the middle east imo (with iranian coming after it)

i think arabic language mogs personally

you can kinda have history although they are mogged in that regard by egyptians/iraqis (great history tho comes after the 2 i mentioned) (nafri history is the worst/saddest and most cucked lmao, it justs consists of them getting conquered by various empires/people throughout history)

 

[CFW432]

View attachment 2897698 my honest reaction

Sendhil is good looking for being a clear south indian looking man dont get me wrong. But you are seriously coping if you think that phenotype has anywhere the same appeal as this would:

 

[innervoid765]

That wasn’t what I was saying. But I didn’t phrase my point properly so that’s my fault. I meant the Arabic traditional tasseled scarf thing they wear the checkered one. That’s what I meant. As I said to @st.hamudi but 6‘5 im west African many of my people wear turbans and have been for over 5k years

turbans mog

 

[CFW432]

looks wise they are mogged by levantines

gulf arabian/peninsular food is the best in the middle east imo (with iranian coming after it)

i think arabic language mogs personally

they are mogged by egyptians/iraqis history wise (great history tho comes after the 2 i mentioned) (nafri history is the worst/saddest and most cucked lmao, it justs consists of them getting conquered by various empires/people throughout history)

Nah lmao, levantines are hot but they are literally at best, on iranian level. And btw, levantines are the best looking type of arabs lol, which means that the vast majority of other arabs (gulf and NA), are inferior to iranians.

Gulf arab food looks utterly digusting, plus they literally eat camels

I wont lie, ancient egyptian history is indeed mogger asf, so im not going to put them down. And while iraq does have cool history like the sumerians, and the akkadians, IMO they still dont measure up to iranian history of empires and conflicts with rome for centuries and the byzantines. The persian (achmaemenid) empire was bigger than anything semetic people could ever hope to have:

 

[innervoid765]

Nah lmao, levantines are hot but they are literally at best, on iranian level. And btw, levantines are the best looking type of arabs lol, which means that the vast majority of other arabs (gulf and NA), are inferior to iranians.

I'll give you that, iranians mog gulf. But i'm not sure about nafris or iraqis. I think they're on par with iraq/and non egyptian north africa

also syrians and lebanese mog iranians looks wise, half of them are literally white passing meanwhile 90% of iranians look north indian with hook noses

Gulf arab food looks utterly digusting, plus they literally eat camels

that's not all they eat, the arabian peninsula has amazing food. Don't knock till you try it (i'm iraqi but i grew up in the gulf)

I wont lie, ancient egyptian history is indeed mogger asf, so im not going to put them down. And while iraq does have cool history like the sumerians, and the akkadians, IMO they still dont measure up to iranian history of empires and conflicts with rome for centuries and the byzantines.

iraq is home to the oldest human civilization and they civilized the persians.

 

[MaghrebGator]

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i gave the example of 2 psl dravid becuz of moose n shit i dont beileve in some kinda north superiority.

Sendhil is good looking for being a clear south indian looking man dont get me wrong. But you are seriously coping if you think that phenotype has anywhere the same appeal as this would:



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Guys stop talking about looks the feds are trying to do their job here people be gentile

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

turbans mog

Arabs called them effeminate but the allorahvids showed the bitch niggas turbans on men == badboys

 

[Gengar]

@Michael Myers @SecularIslamist jut pm each other lmfao mfers competing to declare who is more self hating

mb u stopped

Nobody was talking to you, pajeet!

 

[Gengar]

"Self-hating"= someone who acknowledges global beauty standards.

Another self-hating deathnik. I already knew you would be on Secular’s side.

 

[Gengar]

This is such cope lol. Whats the problem with being "muh self-hating". How is it "self hating" to objectively view lightskin/whiteskin and sharp facial features/structure as the universal ideal standard of beauty? IT LITERALLY IS LMAO? Lol in curryland only the most mena passing/ med passing curries are seen as the most attractive and are frequently made into bollywood actors, and whatever film industry pakistan has. All he said is that finding a med-passing/mena-passing curry is extremely hard (it is lol) and therefore its much more easier to just go after mena women and spare yourself from the retarded the lifelong search. Im sorry do you even know where you are? This is suppose to be a blackpilled looksmaxxing website, if he is trying to "upgrade" his genes by getting with a MENA woman, what is the problem with that lol. That shit is literally blackpilled asf. You should be admiring him lol.

T. Self-hating pajeet.

 

[SecularIslamist]

T. Self-hating pajeet.

He's saying nothing wrong. You're on a blackpill forum acting like it's a sin to say other races women mog yours.
I'd apply same principle to women btw.

Technically I have no problem with if a curry foid ascends with a MENA, white or BBC. As long as they're Muslim! After all they mog us on average. What makes me ragefeul is when they will ignore objectively attractive curries and go for 5'4 white ginger bloatloards. Yeah that's self-hating. You fetishize a race so much you'd ONLY go for them. That's what self-hate! When a preference becomes so fetishise that you become deluded and go for the ugliest mfers just because of their race.

I told you I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA. It's just a fact that less curries make the cut to MTB compared to MENA girls imo. This is a fact. You could replace what I'm saying in your case for whites instead of MENA.

 

[innervoid765]

I'll give you that, iranians mog gulf. But i'm not sure about nafris or iraqis. I think they're on par with iraq/and non egyptian north africa

also syrians and lebanese mog iranians looks wise, half of them are literally white passing meanwhile 90% of iranians look north indian with hook noses

that's not all they eat, the arabian peninsula has amazing food. Don't knock till you try it (i'm iraqi but i grew up in the gulf)

iraq is home to the oldest human civilization and they civilized the persians.

@st.hamudi but 6‘5 what do you disagree with here? Just curious

 

[innervoid765]

He's saying nothing wrong. You're on a blackpill forum acting like it's a sin to say other races women mog yours.
I'd apply same principle to women btw.

Technically I have no problem with if a curry foid ascends with a MENA, white or BBC. As long as they're Muslim! After all they mog us on average. What makes me ragefeul is when they will ignore objectively attractive curries and go for 5'4 white ginger bloatloards. Yeah that's self-hating. You fetishize a race so much you'd ONLY go for them. That's what self-hate! When a preference becomes so fetishise that you becom deluded.

I told you I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA. It's just a fact that less curries make the cut to MTB compared to MENA girls imo. This is a fact. You could replace what I'm saying in your case for whites instead of MENA.

@Michael Myers he’s being just being realistic… the blackpill ain’t always pretty/racially equal and when a blackpilled person embraces the darker shades of reality they’re called self hating

@CFW432 don't let these bluepill copers gaslight you

 

[innervoid765]

Arabs called them effeminate but the allorahvids showed the bitch niggas turbans on men == badboys

what??? arabs are the OG turban wearers,

we've been wearing them since the dawn of time

 

[Gengar]

He's saying nothing wrong. You're on a blackpill forum acting like it's a sin to say other races women mog yours.
I'd apply same principle to women btw.

Technically I have no problem with if a curry foid ascends with a MENA, white or BBC. As long as they're Muslim! After all they mog us on average. What makes me ragefeul is when they will ignore objectively attractive curries and go for 5'4 white ginger bloatloards. Yeah that's self-hating. You fetishize a race so much you'd ONLY go for them. That's what self-hate! When a preference becomes so fetishise that you become deluded and go for the ugliest mfers just because of their race.

I told you I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA. It's just a fact that less curries make the cut to MTB compared to MENA girls imo. This is a fact. You could replace what I'm saying in your case for whites instead of MENA.

“He’s saying nothing wrong” LOL of course you’d say that about another self-hating SA.

 

[CFW432]

He's saying nothing wrong. You're on a blackpill forum acting like it's a sin to say other races women mog yours.
I'd apply same principle to women btw.

Technically I have no problem with if a curry foid ascends with a MENA, white or BBC. As long as they're Muslim! After all they mog us on average. What makes me ragefeul is when they will ignore objectively attractive curries and go for 5'4 white ginger bloatloards. Yeah that's self-hating. You fetishize a race so much you'd ONLY go for them. That's what self-hate! When a preference becomes so fetishise that you become deluded and go for the ugliest mfers just because of their race.

I told you I'd rather go for MTB curry over LTB MENA. It's just a fact that less curries make the cut to MTB compared to MENA girls imo. This is a fact. You could replace what I'm saying in your case for whites instead of MENA.

I literally dont give one fuck about who curry foids get with lmao. If i myself am trying to ascend with other races of women, i would be a straight hypocrite for trying to stop or criticize curry foids from doing the same.

 

[Gengar]

I literally dont give one fuck about who curry foids get with lmao. If i myself am trying to ascend with other races of women, i would be a straight hypocrite for trying to stop or criticize curry foids from doing the same.

Translation: I don’t care what other self-hating people do, because I’m just as self-hating.

 

[Deleted member 41390]

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mogs

You’re not even fucking white you faggot

 

[CFW432]

Translation: I don’t care what other self-hating people do, because I’m just as self-hating.

lmao if thats how you want to see it then fine lol.

 

[innervoid765]

I literally dont give one fuck about who curry foids get with lmao. If i myself am trying to ascend with other races of women, i would be a straight hypocrite for trying to stop or criticize curry foids from doing the same.

what race are you trying to ascend with

lemme guess MENA

 

[Gengar]

lmao if thats how you want to see it then fine lol.

At least you are honest. OP on the other hand keeps arguing me.

 

[CFW432]

what race are you trying to ascend with

lemme guess MENA

the only race i find attractive in mena are iranians and levantine arabs. But i have a thing for latina foids, and then white foids after.

So latina<iranian<white<levantine arab

But People assume that i dont find curry foids attractive tho lol. As long as they arent dark skin and fat, i have no problem ascending with a brown to lightskin skinny curry foid.

 

[innervoid765]

the only race i find attractive in mena are iranians and levantine arabs. But i have a thing for latina foids, and then white foids after.

So latina<iranian<white<levantine arab

for me

1. white
2. mena = latina
4. asian = curry
6. black

 

[gribsufer1]

You’re not even fucking white you faggot

non of these guys ever mentioned the word white. that's a neo nazi American thing. fuck off. I'm fascist for MY people not whites. they are just cool and provided the example of a racially identitarian society like that.

 

[Deleted member 41390]

non of these guys ever mentioned the word white. that's a neo nazi American thing. fuck off. I'm fascist for MY people not whites. they are just cool and provided the example of a racially identitarian society like that.

@Magnum Opus

 

[i_love_roosters]

Seems like I missed out a good argument, smh

 

[SecularIslamist]

the only race i find attractive in mena are iranians and levantine arabs. But i have a thing for latina foids, and then white foids after.

So latina<iranian<white<levantine arab

But People assume that i dont find curry foids attractive tho lol. As long as they arent dark skin and fat, i have no problem ascending with a brown to lightskin skinny curry foid.

I'm more or less the same. What about Turks or nafris? Lightskins curries and some MENA foids can be phenotypically similar anyway. The former are ideal because of cultural similarities but egos too high in the West.

My female SMV hierarchy goes like this:

Nafri (except Egyptian) > Iranian / Turk > Levant Arab > light skin / north indid curries only > gulf Arabs (inc Egyptians) > Latinos > white > gook > curry > chinkjeet > black

Obviously depends on the girl. Aishwarya Rai (light skin curry), Eliza Ibarra (latino) or Rachel Weisz (White) mogs 99% of all imo. Stacey is Stacey irrespective of race. It's just a fact I find most of them exist in MENA region.

Seems like I missed out a good argument, smh

It's just @Michael Myers accusing curries of self hate because we find people attractive outside our own race, when he's guilty just as much by his own logic

 

[Darktriad16]

I'm more or less the same. What about Turks or nafris? Lightskins curries and some MENA foids can be phenotypically similar anyway. The former are ideal because of cultural similarities but egos too high in the West.

My female SMV hierarchy goes like this:

Nafri (except Egyptian) > Iranian / Turk > Levant Arab > light skin / north indid curries only > gulf Arabs (inc Egyptians) > Latinos > white > gook > curry > chinkjeet > black

Obviously depends on the girl. Aishwarya Rai (light skin curry), Eliza Ibarra (latino) or Rachel Weisz (White) mogs 99% of all imo. Stacey is Stacey irrespective of race. It's just a fact I find most of them exist in MENA region.


It's just @Michael Myers accusing curries of self hate because we find people attractive outside our own race, when he's guilty just as much by his own logic

your so fucking retarded, ur preaching islam while being blackpilled, ur either brain dead or don't know shit abt ur religion

 

[Darktriad16]

"The Hour will not be established till the sun rises from the west, and when it rises (from the west) and the people see it, then all of them will believe (in Allah)."



As per usual it's triggered Iranian diasporas. Future of Islam is the West, not the east. Keep seething.

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ur interpretation of that hadith shows the way u bend the necks of texts to make them fit ur narrative, the hadith is very clearly and is understood by everyone the same, which is that the sun will literally rize from the west which just shows how retarded was muhammad and that he was as dumb as his fellow desert dwelers

 

[SecularIslamist]

ur interpretation of that hadith shows the way u bend the necks of texts to make them fit ur narrative, the hadith is very clearly and is understood by everyone the same, which is that the sun will literally rize from the west which just shows how retarded was muhammad and that he was as dumb as his fellow desert dwelers

Doesn't matter every interpretation has a literal and allegorical meaning. There are planets in even the solar system where the trajectory of the planets mean that sun does rise from the West such as Venus.

 

[Darktriad16]

Doesn't matter every interpretation has a literal and allegorical meaning. There are planets in even the solar system where the trajectory of the planets mean that sun does rise from the West such as Venus.

lmfao u know jack shit abt islam and fiqh stop acting like u know shit abt this, retarded niggas like u make mad ash, ahadith are taken as literal always, and only otherwise if there's something to prove it الحديث يأخذ على ظاهره إلا بقرينة u proly won't even understand this.and ur exemple is just dumb, if other planets see that their sun rise from the west that doesn't make our sun rising from the west possible, it's literally impossible lol

 

[SecularIslamist]

lmfao u know jack shit abt islam and fiqh stop acting like u know shit abt this, retarded niggas like u make mad ash, ahadith are taken as literal always, and only otherwise if there's something to prove it الحديث يأخذ على ظاهره إلا بقرينة u proly won't even understand this.and ur exemple is just dumb, if other planets see that their sun rise from the west that doesn't make our sun rising from the west possible, it's literally impossible lol

No one was even talking fiqh you dumbfuck - does saying fiqh make you feel smarter?

"Literally impossible" = because science says so.

Stfu science is voodoo globohomo shit. Read some Paul Feyrabend.

 

[Darktriad16]

No one was even talking fiqh you dumbfuck - does saying fiqh make you feel smarter?

"Literally impossible" = because science says so.

Stfu science is voodoo globohomo shit. Read some Paul Feyrabend.

fiqh is the study of all islamic shit, and u were talking dumb shit in fiqh;hadith interpretation, which u proved that u are an ignorant lil shit abt.
yes, Science is shit while using a fucking phone build by science and u don't need Science to know it's impossible, u only need ur brain and knowing that the earth is round and the earth is orbiting the sun, which u probably all lack

 

[SecularIslamist]

fiqh is the study of all islamic shit, and u were talking dumb shit in fiqh;hadith interpretation, which u proved that u are an ignorant lil shit abt.

Nigga people fiqh in the context of the shari'ah not kalam - which would include things like splitting of the moon or sun rising from the West. Stfu. A jurist and theologian are two different things you dumb fuck. Latter usually reserved for laws applying to human conduct.

yes, Science is shit while using a fucking phone build by science and u don't need Science to know it's impossible, u only need ur brain and knowing that the earth is round and the earth is orbiting the sun, which u probably all lack

Reason and faith are the same.

 

[Darktriad16]

holy fucking shit, I've never seen someone this ignorant and this arrogant, do u know how dumb u sound?

fiqh in the context of the shari'ah not kalam - which would include things like splitting of the moon or sun rising from the West

this actually might be the most ignorant thing I've ever heard, ur room temperature iq + plus ur confidence makes me mad at how tf did u evolve to be this dumb. I'll teach u abt ur religion, so focus and listen, fiqh is the general term of all islamic studies from quran interpretations to sunna to sharia.... and kalam has literally nothing to do with this lol, kalam is the islamic philosophy that was created during the islamic golden age by muslims like al ghazali. this literally proved that u know nothing abt what ur talking abt, u just hear words and repeat them hoping u will sound intelligent while not understanding them.

Reason and faith are the same.

reason is based on proof faith is based on believing with no proof, and instead of saying random shit that has nothing with what i said just stfu if u could answer

 

[SecularIslamist]

holy fucking shit, I've never seen someone this ignorant and this arrogant, do u know how dumb u sound?

this actually might be the most ignorant thing I've ever heard, ur room temperature iq + plus ur confidence makes me mad at how tf did u evolve to be this dumb. I'll teach u abt ur religion, so focus and listen, fiqh is the general term of all islamic studies from quran interpretations to sunna to sharia.... and kalam has literally nothing to do with this lol, kalam is the islamic philosophy that was created during the islamic golden age by muslims like al ghazali. this literally proved that u know nothing abt what ur talking abt, u just hear words and repeat them hoping u will sound intelligent while not understanding them.

Absolute dumb fuck. In common parlance fiqh is never used in this context. Are you talking about the definition or the real life use of the word? Wtf is the hanafi, maliki or shafii position on the sun rising from the West? There isn't one! Because it's not a PRACTICAL AND HUMAN application of scripture. That's like saying the shari'ah are laws of everything (from laws of physics to laws for apostasy) - which is true, but the everyday use of the term does not encompass the latter.

And kalam isn't islamic philosophy either you turd depsite the interrelations. A falsafa Issh not a mutakallim. A person engaged in kalam deals with doctrines, beliefs, nature of god as explained inthe scriptures and their validity through reason (including sun rising from the West). Islamic philosophy on the other hand isn't tied to religious texts so is more 'secular' in that sense.

You tried to sound smart and instead ended up sounding like a complete clown

reason is based on proof faith is based on believing with no proof, and instead of saying random shit that has nothing with what i said just stfu if u could answer

Science is a form of reason (or not so). You are clearly low IQ take a crash course in the philosophy of science - start with Lakatos, Kuhn and Feyrabend.

Faith and reason are not as oppositional as you think. You can go all the way back to the Greeks.

 

[Darktriad16]

Absolute dumb fuck. In common parlance fiqh is never used in this context. Are you talking about the definition or the real life use of the word? Wtf is the hanafi, maliki or shafii position on the sun rising from the West? There isn't one! Because it's not a PRACTICAL AND HUMAN application of scripture. That's like saying the shari'ah are laws of everything (from laws of physics to laws for apostasy) - which is true, but the everyday use of the term does not encompass the latter.

And kalam isn't islamic philosophy either you turd depsite the interrelations. A falsafa Issh not a mutakallim. A person engaged in kalam deals with doctrines, beliefs, nature of god as explained inthe scriptures and their validity through reason (including sun rising from the West). Islamic philosophy on the other hand isn't tied to religious texts so is more 'secular' in that sense.

You tried to sound smart and instead ended up sounding like a complete clown


Science is a form of reason (or not so). You are clearly low IQ take a crash course in the philosophy of science - start with Lakatos, Kuhn and Feyrabend.

Faith and reason are not as oppositional as you think. You can go all the way back to the Greeks.

this is what happens when u learn ur religion from YouTube, all the scholars agree on the sun rising from the sun(physically rising) as signs of the end of times and ur interpretation is just retarded and shows ur ignorance.
and kalam is literally what i explained, they are philosophers that talk abt islam and the metaphysical world, and falsafa is not philosopher, if u don't understand arabic just stfu and save urself embarrassment, and no one fucking goes to the mutakalimis to know abt the sign of judgment and nature of god.... they are literal just a joke and ahl bidaa thay use their brain instead of scripture lol, if u think ur a salafist ur not, get ur shit together and go learn ur religion from the real scholars.
nigga no gaf if faith and science have sum relationship, why are pulling out retarded subjects instead of defending ur interpretation of the first hadith? and so u stfu abt this subject, here's the definition of faith:strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof. and ur saying science snd fsith are the same while science or reason is based totally on logic and 0 spirituality, and u don't look intelligent saying go listen to this go listen to that u just sound like "uhhh go listen to daddy he knows how to answer u" if u could answer urself then u didn't understand shit from what u watched, instead u should argument ur point by arguments not by names. and low iq is what ur doing, can't even think for urself so u need niggas to tell u what to believe and when asked abt ur beliefs ur run to them

 

[SecularIslamist]

this is what happens when u learn ur religion from YouTube, all the scholars agree on the sun rising from the sun(physically rising) as signs of the end of times and ur interpretation is just retarded and shows ur ignorance.
and kalam is literally what i explained, they are philosophers that talk abt islam and the metaphysical world, and falsafa is not philosopher, if u don't understand arabic just stfu and save urself embarrassment, and no one fucking goes to the mutakalimis to know abt the sign of judgment and nature of god.... they are literal just a joke and ahl bidaa thay use their brain instead of scripture lol, if u think ur a salafist ur not, get ur shit together and go learn ur religion from the real scholars.
nigga no gaf if faith and science have sum relationship, why are pulling out retarded subjects instead of defending ur interpretation of the first hadith? and so u stfu abt this subject, here's the definition of faith:strong belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof. and ur saying science snd fsith are the same while science or reason is based totally on logic and 0 spirituality, and u don't look intelligent saying go listen to this go listen to that u just sound like "uhhh go listen to daddy he knows how to answer u" if u could answer urself then u didn't understand shit from what u watched, instead u should argument ur point by arguments not by names. and low iq is what ur doing, can't even think for urself so u need niggas to tell u what to believe and when asked abt ur beliefs ur run to them

You literally don't know the difference between fiqh and aqeedah and the study of it (kalam) - you think they're both the same

This guy is genuinely retarded and convinced he knows what he's talking about. Any idea who he is - likely an ex-Muslim alt? @Fiqh @MaghrebGator @IndraBC

You can't even speak English properly and your talking about speaking Arabic. 'I speak Arabic I know Islam muh muh '. Yeah you need to learn Arabic to have a scholarly understanding, but 99.9% of Arabic speakers don't have a scholarly understanding and get knowledge mogged by non-Arabs nowadays. You're no different to these Arab nationalist retards, who gatekeep Islam. Yet Arabs hardly conttributed to the understanding of Islam most were Persians and Berber. So stfu. Ive read academic books on Islam by both orientalists and non-orientalists - ofc the former would be my first source because they were the ones who wrote / translated the books and my native language is English.

Also on the topic of reason and faith - even the likes of ibn Taymiyyah thought both were in harmony. The fact that you think both are against each other and then mention ghazali who has been at the forefront of this discussion between reason and revelation really shows you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about

But keep barking 'muh muh I speak Arabic '

 

[Darktriad16]

You literally don't know the difference between fiqh and aqeedah and the study of it (kalam) - you think they're both the same

This guy is genuinely retarded and convinced he knows what he's talking about. Any idea who he is - likely an ex-Muslim alt? @Fiqh @MaghrebGator @IndraBC

You can't even speak English properly and your talking about speaking Arabic. 'I speak Arabic I know Islam muh muh '. Yeah you need to learn Arabic to have a scholarly understanding, but 99.9% of Arabic speakers don't have a scholarly understanding and get knowledge mogged by non-Arabs nowadays. You're no different to these Arab nationalist retards, who gatekeep Islam. Yet Arabs hardly conttributed to the understanding of Islam most were Persians and Berber. So stfu. Ive read academic books on Islam by both orientalists and non-orientalists - ofc the former would be my first source because they were the ones who wrote / translated the books and my native language is English.

Also on the topic of reason and faith - even the likes of ibn Taymiyyah thought both were in harmony. The fact that you think both are against each other and then mention ghazali who has been at the forefront of this discussion between reason and revelation really shows you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about

But keep barking 'muh muh I speak Arabic '

what a fucking retard, i don't give a fucking shit if u talk arabic and i dgaf abt arabic and I'm not even arab, i just laughed at how dumb u sounded trying to talk in a language that u don't even know.
save urself embarrassment and learn what tf ur talking abt, kalam has nothing to do with ahadith and their interpretation and with end of times ect... it's literally islamic philosophy to understand allah and know his attributes and to debate with mutazila and other sects, it has 0 correlation with hadiths and their interpretations so don't be dumb, and kalam is literally bs for most scholars and is useless if ur a sunni salafi, maybe if ur a progressive muslim cuck living in the west it may be useful to cope with things u don't like in islam. and u sound like u have an inferiority complex, "uhh I've read books, look at me I've read this book I'm intelligent" no gaf if u read a book, u should use what u learned in that book and not say sum bs like this and embarrass urself, and u talking abt ibn Taymiyyah is funny to me because if he heard the interpretation u said abt this hadith he would spit in ur fucking asshole, so don't shoot urself in the foot and talk abt a salafi scholar that hates fags like u interpreting texts however they like.
godamn I'm done with you, u just proved to me ur that ur iq is not even room temperature it's fucking 0, i talked abt ghazali as an exemple of philosophers that specialized in kalam, i didn't say i agree with him lmfao what a fucking retard u are, and what u don't know is in the end of his life he repented and said philosophy is haram lol and all he said is bs, u probably never heard this in ur bs progressive cuck muslim videos and books where u base all ur knowledge.
and btw the reason i talked abt arabic, is because if the roles were inverted and i was the one who didn't understand arabic, u would've flammed me and said how tf do u talk abt islam while not understanding arabic blah blah

 

[Deleted member 27550]

You literally don't know the difference between fiqh and aqeedah and the study of it (kalam) - you think they're both the same

This guy is genuinely retarded and convinced he knows what he's talking about. Any idea who he is - likely an ex-Muslim alt? @Fiqh @MaghrebGator @IndraBC

You can't even speak English properly and your talking about speaking Arabic. 'I speak Arabic I know Islam muh muh '. Yeah you need to learn Arabic to have a scholarly understanding, but 99.9% of Arabic speakers don't have a scholarly understanding and get knowledge mogged by non-Arabs nowadays. You're no different to these Arab nationalist retards, who gatekeep Islam. Yet Arabs hardly conttributed to the understanding of Islam most were Persians and Berber. So stfu. Ive read academic books on Islam by both orientalists and non-orientalists - ofc the former would be my first source because they were the ones who wrote / translated the books and my native language is English.

Also on the topic of reason and faith - even the likes of ibn Taymiyyah thought both were in harmony. The fact that you think both are against each other and then mention ghazali who has been at the forefront of this discussion between reason and revelation really shows you have NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about

But keep barking 'muh muh I speak Arabic '

What about Islam is he even trying to argue against?

Also yeah, I’ve seen an influx of these non-Muslims trying to debate against Islam using aqidah. It’s hilarious

Also fuck you for saying I’m irrelevant

 

[SecularIslamist]

what a fucking retard, i don't give a fucking shit if u talk arabic and i dgaf abt arabic and I'm not even arab, i just laughed at how dumb u sounded trying to talk in a language that u don't even know.
save urself embarrassment and learn what tf ur talking abt, kalam has nothing to do with ahadith and their interpretation and with end of times ect... it's literally islamic philosophy to understand allah and know his attributes and to debate with mutazila and other sects, it has 0 correlation with hadiths and their interpretations so don't be dumb, and kalam is literally bs for most scholars and is useless if ur a sunni salafi, maybe if ur a progressive muslim cuck living in the west it may be useful to cope with things u don't like in islam.

Wtf are you even talking about? God's attributes and Islamic eschatology are two diff topics. The mutazila is literally a kalam school of thought who rely heavily on Islamic philosophy. You don't know what you're talking about - clearly have -60 IQ. Salafis belong to athari school of thought. Again nothing to do with fiqh.

His attributes are defined in scripture (quran and hadith) not schools of law.

Again you don't even know the things you are talking about, just mentioning them doesn't mean you know them.

and u sound like u have an inferiority complex, "uhh I've read books, look at me I've read this book I'm intelligent" no gaf if u read a book, u should use what u learned in that book and not say sum bs like this and embarrass urself, and u talking abt ibn Taymiyyah is funny to me because if he heard the interpretation u said abt this hadith he would spit in ur fucking asshole, so don't shoot urself in the foot and talk abt a salafi scholar that hates fags like u interpreting texts however they like.

You are fucking brain-dead. Have a read of John Wallbridges Caliphate of reason and Wael Hallaqs against greek logician. Ibn Taymiyyah isn't as literalist as you think - in his attempt to be ends up contradictory and is nuanced. I can send you a PDF if you like and let's discuss. But you probably won't because you'll find out you have no idea what you're talking about.

godamn I'm done with you, u just proved to me ur that ur iq is not even room temperature it's fucking 0, i talked abt ghazali as an exemple of philosophers that specialized in kalam, i didn't say i agree with him lmfao what a fucking retard u are, and what u don't know is in the end of his life he repented and said philosophy is haram lol and all he said is bs, u probably never heard this in ur bs progressive cuck muslim videos and books where u base all ur knowledge.

Ghazalis problem was with metaphysics not "philosophy" - which at the time included fields such as physics, logic etc. He was the one that who used logic to defend Islam.

and btw the reason i talked abt arabic, is because if the roles were inverted and i was the one who didn't understand arabic, u would've flammed me and said how tf do u talk abt islam while not understanding arabic blah blah

Lmao just saying what Im saying now that's in your head nigga not mine. You're the one who randomly wrote something in Arabic and was like 'muh muh bet you can't read this' so stfu. Like as if that was an argument lmao

 

[Darktriad16]

nigga i ain't got time to loose with a fucking pajeet that is just pulling random subject from his ass to sound like he knows shit just to avoid the primary cause of the argument, which is the retarded interpretation of the hadith, just say sorry i was wrong instead of doing ur mental gymnastic routine outloud.
u say sum dumb shit and when u get corrected u start changing the subject, kalam has nothing to do with fucking ahadith interpretations stop saying bs, and stop avoiding the main subject which is ur interprettion of the hadith.
and the attributes in the scripture are intrepreted differently between sects, salafis take everything as literal achaaira deny them (like god having a hand, or his throne ect...) and intrept them in other ways, so no the attributes of allah is not a subject where everyone agrees.
and if u think ur way knowldgeable than, please enlighten me with ur best proof for islam instead of ur brain masturbation paragraphs .

I can send you a PDF if you like and let's discuss.

sure, i never claim i know everything im always open to learn new things.

You're the one who randomly wrote something in Arabic and was like 'muh muh bet you can't read this' so stfu.

i said it because i didn't how to explain it well in english and said u probably wouldn't understand it, didn't mean anything, or did hurt ur lil ego?

 

[SecularIslamist]

nigga i ain't got time to loose with a fucking pajeet that is just pulling random subject from his ass to sound like he knows shit just to avoid the primary cause of the argument, which is the retarded interpretation of the hadith, just say sorry i was wrong instead of doing ur mental gymnastic routine outloud.

Wtf are you talking about? The interpretation of the hadith whether real or metaphorical is a theological question. I never raised this up YOU did.

u say sum dumb shit and when u get corrected u start changing the subject, kalam has nothing to do with fucking ahadith interpretations stop saying bs, and stop avoiding the main subject which is ur interprettion of the hadith.

It comes down to REASON VS REVELATION you dumbfuck. You said it's scientifically impossible for sun to rise from the West. Quit your fucking yapping whether it physically does or it's metaphorical is exactly a theological debate. In ashari theology (ghazali / Al razi) when science contradicts revelation (including hadith) than there is something wrong with interpretation of revelation, when revelation contradicts science there is something wrong with the science. Especially the apparent and hidden/esoteric meaning of the verses or hadiths.

Why are you moving from one line of argument to another.

and the attributes in the scripture are intrepreted differently between sects, salafis take everything as literal achaaira deny them (like god having a hand, or his throne ect...) and intrept them in other ways, so no the attributes of allah is not a subject where everyone agrees.
and if u think ur way knowldgeable than, please enlighten me with ur best proof for islam instead of ur brain masturbation paragraphs .

I'm not trying to "prove" Islam to you JFL if you think I was somehow trying to do that. I was simply explaining the difference between fiqh and theology - you seem not to know the difference between the two. Now I'm explaining with theology is as well - because it seems you had no idea what this was either.

You're no longer claiming this is a fiqh issue - maybe you've admitted you had no idea what you was talking about earlier...

sure, i never claim i know everything im always open to learn new things.

i said it because i didn't how to explain it well in english and said u probably wouldn't understand it, didn't mean anything, or did hurt ur lil ego?

No I don't care. You're the one who raised up the "I understand Arabic muh muh" - I simply responded so what? Doesn't mean shit. You think that hurt my ego JFL. Another projection.