I had modified Orbital Box Osteotomy and Implants by Surgerymax. AMA

[Subhuman232]

DM this thread isn't about that

I will bro thanks!

 

[Lookologist003]

She is super cute yes, but 35 mm ICD is dolphin tier and only works in rare cases on women or in the case of O'Pry where has has a 99th percentile eyebrow length and inner corner fullness. Shave his inner corners and he will instantly look like a retard.
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[Lookologist003]

@Ape101 may we have an ETA for the photos you're going to post? The swelling you speak about would have surely subsided enough by the end of summer.

 

[sub5pslathlete]

It was about 30k usd including everything (Design, titanium implant manufacturing, surgery, hospital stay etc.)

Next up is bimax, genio and jaw angle implants. But, I’m also planning on getting a few soft tissue adjustments and potentially limb lengthening in the future.

Yes, the surgery was quite long by itself, it would be too dangerous to combine the two.

goof

 

[okwhatlol]

Yes, the bill for tripod was 480K in California. $480,000.00 USD

dont know if you are joking or serious

 

[alphaChadpeasant911]

So u made your eyes more further apart? I have the opposite problem my eyes are too far apart jfl

 

[theknowing333]

DM this thread isn't about that

lol maybe reply to your whatsapp dms instead, do you always ignore whos offering you a 2x your price? atleast acknowledge the fact that i been waiting for 5months now.

 

[SubhumanityForce]

One thing i dont understand is u had 62mm ipd and 0.95 midface which means around 65mm midface length ( the line u use to measure mfr), but then u say u got it to 69mm ipd but mfr is only 1?
69/65 = 1.06? Assuming u didnt lengthen ur actual midface lol

Precisely. That should be pinned somehow and answered if possible by @RealSurgerymax. If at the giga 69mm ipd you have 1.0 midface ratio, that means your distance between centre of pupil line, and upper lip border, is also a long 69mm. Which would make it a horse at 62mm ipd. Also another important question for @RealSurgerymax .

Would it be better to advance IPD to 69mm, or shorten the midface somehow to 65mm, and make ipd 65mm or more.
Because even if you make your ipd giga wide (69mm), to much a long midface, even tho the midface ratio is going to be a perfect 1, a 69mm midface means your overall head height is long, mandibular plane angle also at a bigger angle, etc. So, midface ratio shouldn't be the only indicator. To look OK, you should also have a very very tall Ramus as well.

 

[cybe42]

Precisely. That should be pinned somehow and answered if possible by @RealSurgerymax. If at the giga 69mm ipd you have 1.0 midface ratio, that means your distance between centre of pupil line, and upper lip border, is also a long 69mm. Which would make it a horse at 62mm ipd. Also another important question for @RealSurgerymax .

Would it be better to advance IPD to 69mm, or shorten the midface somehow to 65mm, and make ipd 65mm or more.
Because even if you make your ipd giga wide (69mm), to much a long midface, even tho the midface ratio is going to be a perfect 1, a 69mm midface means your overall head height is long, mandibular plane angle also at a bigger angle, etc. So, midface ratio shouldn't be the only indicator. To look OK, you should also have a very very tall Ramus as well.

He likely had issues with downgrowth, I don't think midface that long is normal that he had to widen his ipd to 69mm (the mean average ipd for men is 64mm with a deviation of 3mm)

 

[Fairytale]

Is your pfl bigger now?

 

[Patient A]

Yes, the bill for tripod was 480K in California. $480,000.00 USD

when the American Healthcare Industry tries to scam the Healthcare Insurance Industry and they both get Congress to make laws to help them scam each other and trap the public in their scam loop

Not to mention Benefitting lawyers and medical stock companies inside traders which corrupt members of congress inside trade against the interests of the public.
(There’s more of course not gonna write a book)

Then they repeat the process over and over again until:
$480,000 for Tripod Osteotomy surgery

It’s crazy how every layer of American society is something that started off as something honest, productive and well intentioned but then the parasite class injects useless middle men schemes to make money from deeds that do nothing productive other than wordplay nonsense schemes.

Lol reminds me of

Grifter Soyciety

 

[FwDelta]

hows the recovery looking?

 

[wollet2]

Actual box osteotomy patient, as well as every other extreme surgery

Hello, I am an OG from puahate, and certainly the most surgically experienced person in PSL history. I will make threads in the future about other topics, but here I want to answer questions about the OBO I had. I went from 65.5 mm IPD (on a 154 mm bizygo face) to a 72 mm IPD. I've attached a...

looksmax.org

cracked his skull open for women to find him uglier after
pure mental illness

he looks gay now

 

[Deleted member 45930]

cracked his skull open for women to find him uglier after
pure mental illness

he looks gay now

480k for tripod and doesnt even look like it increased his pfl. Id rather cope with it for life than go through with this jfl

 

[Fairytale]

480k for tripod and doesnt even look like it increased his pfl. Id rather cope with it for life than go through with this jfl

You saw his after tripod pics?

 

[Deleted member 45780]

Fuark i have 48.5 mm ipd but 27 mm pfl and 157 mm byzygo cancels it out

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

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Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






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All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

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Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


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Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


OBO edit:

 

[Deleted member 19957]

Why would anyone pay A BRAND NEW AVENTADOR for a fucking tripod when you can get zygo + supra implants?

 

[Deleted member 55855]

Fuark i have 48.5 mm ipd but 27 mm pfl and 157 mm byzygo cancels it out

48mm ipd is brutal

 

[Deleted member 45780]

48mm ipd is brutal

Meant 68.5 JFL

 

[shadowassassin424]

It was about 30k usd including everything (Design, titanium implant manufacturing, surgery, hospital stay etc.)

Next up is bimax, genio and jaw angle implants. But, I’m also planning on getting a few soft tissue adjustments and potentially limb lengthening in the future.

Yes, the surgery was quite long by itself, it would be too dangerous to combine the two.

jesus christ, how deformed are you ?

 

[Deleted member 55855]

Meant 68.5 JFL

That's good, better than mine

 

[Deleted member 45780]

That's good, better than mine

my esr is 0.439 sp still over

 

[k99]

still no results???

 

[Deleted member 55855]

my esr is 0.439 sp still over

damn, im so sorry bro

 

[Delissola]

my esr is 0.439 sp still over

It is not below 0.42,so it is good!

 

[Delissola]

@RealSurgerymax what about your patient? Was he able to fully recover? Did he have any complications during the recovery?I'm asking because a lot of time has passed and I think many people would be interested to know how things are with the patient .Could you post some results or give a link to source where we can see "before/after" photos

 

[ferfdd]

It was about 30k usd including everything (Design, titanium implant manufacturing, surgery, hospital stay etc.)

Next up is bimax, genio and jaw angle implants. But, I’m also planning on getting a few soft tissue adjustments and potentially limb lengthening in the future.

Yes, the surgery was quite long by itself, it would be too dangerous to combine the two.

How U so rich

 

[perpetuallytired]

Hello everyone! I am a long time lurker on .org and a dedicated hardmaxxer - some of you might know me as monke from looksmax related group chats. I’m here to discuss the planning, share my personal experience, and answer questions regarding the whole process of the modified Orbital Box Osteotomy combined with orbital implants I had. Feel free to ask any questions.

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View attachment 2679860
Original stats:
• 62mm IPD
• 0.46 ESR
• 31mm ICD
•135mm bizygomatic width
• 0.95 Midface Ratio
• Narrow looking intercanthal-nasal area
• Rated as MTN

Main aesthetic concerns:
• Long midface
• Narrow face
• Narrow intercanthal-nasal area

Stats after surgery:
• 69mm IPD
• 0.47 ESR
• 35 mm ICD
• 147mm bizygomatic width
• Spacious intercanthal-nasal area
• 1.0 Midface Ratio
• Rating: too swollen to be rated yet






View attachment 2679699

All ratios are secondary to IPD and ICD; the OBO essentially reset my foundation, serving as the necessary groundwork for lateral expansion across my entire face. Think of it as bimax but for the lateral growth instead of forward. It significantly enhanced my midface ratio, shortening the perceived length, aided by the supraorbital dropdown applied to the implant design, which shortened my nose and lowered my eyebrows.

View attachment 2679753

Additionally, as you might have noticed the increase in IPD is not equal to the increase in ICD, which was achieved through a combination of obo with medial orbital wall implants, which was done in order to achieve the ideal increase for both metrics. Effectively all my aesthetic concerns were addressed without any fear for severe complications, as the OBO was done subcranially (without exposing the brain). While there are more details, I’d rather not make the initial post too technical. You can feel free to ask for specifics.


View attachment 2679773View attachment 2679629

Credits to @RealSurgerymax, the designer and inventor behind many modifications, who assisted during the surgery, and to Dr. Burak Ercin, the surgeon. The procedure was a complete success, confirmed by post-op CT scans. It involved a manageable recovery, probably comparable to that of bimax. I had minimal pain but a lot of swelling in the initial week. Double vision (expected due to IPD adjustment) was fully resolved within a month. I spent a week in the hospital for extended IV antibiotics, minimizing infection risks. The only lingering complication is minor strabismus, which I plan to correct surgically soon.


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Overall, I’m incredibly satisfied with the experience and results, though I’ve yet to see the final outcome due to swelling. Huge thanks to Surgerymax for revolutionizing hardmaxxing and Dr. Ercin for executing the plan successfully. Special thanks to (you know who you are) for the support throughout the journey.


I’m currently sharing only procedure photos on Giant’s page, withholding before/after pictures until I complete my surgical journey in a few years.


We are all gonna make it.
Thanks for reading.


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Designer:

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https://www.instagram.com/surgerymax.cmf?igsh=MTE3NzJiZmFkemhtYw==

Surgeon:

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https://www.instagram.com/buraksercanercin?igsh=bml4amo1ZnY0ZzJ4


OBO edit:

Recovery time?

 

[Pakicel]

Recovery time?

IDK. But I'd imagine you'd be @perpetuallytired for a few weeks at least.

 

[Deleted member 27550]

I’m 15 and planing on getting this inshallah

Cosmetic surgeries are haram.

 

[Codeinlover]

Cosmetic surgeries are haram.

ancer

 

[Deleted member 27550]

ancer

Alright bitch I thought you were Muslim because you used the word “inshallah”

 

[Metanoia]

Still some swelling, no double vision

What happens if u get hit in the face? Can you do normal physical activity and sports? lets say ur playing volleyball and the ball hits ur face at an angle are u good?

 

[Fairytale]

What happens if u get hit in the face? Can you do normal physical activity and sports? lets say ur playing volleyball and the ball hits ur face at an angle are u good?

Titanium is more durable than bone.
Also after healing his bones will be connected.

 

[Metanoia]

Titanium is more durable than bone.
Also after healing his bones will be connected.

thanks for the answer! good to know

 

[Delissola]

Titanium is more durable than bone.
Also after healing his bones will be connected.

Titanium is more durable than bone.
Also after healing his bones will be connected.

How will they be connected if there is essentially a gap between them?

 

[cybe42]

It is not below 0.42,so it is good!

0.425 esr here, life is hell

 

[Delissola]

0.425 esr here, life is hell

if your nose short then your eyes doesnt look like close set.And also in your case to get long and curved eyebrows this is gonna help you a lot

 

[cybe42]

if your nose short then your eyes doesnt look like close set

not at all. your face will still look like its bloated, I have 24mm nose width and average nose height and people can still tell I'm ipdcel.

 

[Delissola]

not at all. your face will still look like its bloated, I have 24mm nose width and average nose height and people can still tell I'm ipdcel.

dont lose hope yo can get obo in future

 

[cybe42]

dont lose hope yo can get obo in future

yeah thats what im here for. although im a bit sceptical if .47 is truly the best ESR and whether its actually better to widen your ipd enough so your pfl is equal to your icd. I've analyzed many celebrities and models with good eye area and it really does range from .44 esr to .46, but they all share a compact midface in common. So ESR does matter but maybe not as much as we think

 

[Delissola]

yeah thats what im here for. although im a bit sceptical if .47 is truly the best ESR and whether its actually better to widen your ipd enough so your pfl is equal to your icd. I've analyzed many celebrities and models with good eye area and it really does range from .44 esr to .46, but they all share a compact midface in common. So ESR does matter but maybe not as much as we think

completely agree with you.compact midface is a lifefuel.If you get you are blessed actually but in the other we have a delissola who got pretty long midface and slightly close set eyes

 

[Weed]

Fake and gay

 

[Codeinlover]

Alright bitch I thought you were Muslim because you used the word “inshallah”

I still respect yall a lot haha

 

[Deleted member 27550]

I still respect yall a lot haha

ancer

Doesn’t seem like it haha.

 

[Codeinlover]

Doesn’t seem like it haha.

Bro it’s looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 27550]

Bro it’s looksmax.org

Still contradictory

 

[Deleted member 71265]

How will they be connected if there is essentially a gap between them?

The gap heals

 

[Delissola]

The gap heals

It seems unlikely to me.
@RealSurgerymax
Does the gap formed during the modified obo heal or does it remain only connected by implants?

 

[Deleted member 71265]

It seems unlikely to me.
@RealSurgerymax
Does the gap formed during the modified obo heal or does it remain only connected by implants?

its basic biology retard