My theory why gymcels age worse

[Deusmaximus]

Cramping your face like a autist 4-5 times a week will cause skin to wrinkle and loose elasticity. The best way to avoid this could be freezing your whole face with botox.

Also the bulking and dieting will put fat on your face and then take it away again. This will lead to empty fat pads or even fat pads that wont leave again. The people with the best aging are the ones that have never been fat in their life.

 

[Danish_Retard]

It's mostly hormonal. Natty gym-goers in my IRL experience age better than other normies.

 

[JamesHowlett]

You can still train but just don’t dirty bulk and get fat…

 

[.👽.]

It's mostly hormonal. Natty gym-goers in my IRL experience age better than other normies.

no no no ppl who don't do sport and eat McDonald's everyday age better bro

 

[Seth Walsh]

It's the food and steroids

 

[Deleted member 18086]

gymceling is useless if you are geneti trash

 

[bogii]

gymceling is useless if you are geneti trash

that's bullshit man you'll still look better with muscles than without

 

[Deleted member 18086]

that's bullshit man you'll still look better with muscles than without

i put muscles on and you wil never guess what happened

 

[bogii]

i put muscles on and you wil never guess what happened

you looked worse?

 

[jfcage]

gymceling is useless if you are geneti trash

 

[Deleted member 18086]

you looked worse?

i was still an incel, women dont care about your body

 

[Deusmaximus]

It's the food and steroids

You can compare eating high amounts of food/protein and very high androgen levels to driving a car everyday pedal to the metal. Of course it gets used up a lot faster than a moderate economical driver. Its short term fun and living life to the fullest vs. long term sustainability.
The other question: is it worth to look "young" as a oldcel?

 

[Deusmaximus]

i was still an incel, women dont care about your body

You really wanna tell me that you would be incel with this body?

 

[.👽.]

Its short term fun and living life to the fullest vs. long term sustainability.

its Short term full fun vs long term average life

 

[Deleted member 18086]

You really wanna tell me that you would be incel with this body?

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i literally was incel with this body lol

 

[.👽.]

You really wanna tell me that you would be incel with this body?

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mike thurston is incel tbh he always pays escorts to be in his videos

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

You really wanna tell me that you would be incel with this body?

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Learn the male vs female gaze.

 

[Seth Walsh]

You can compare eating high amounts of food/protein and very high androgen levels to driving a car everyday pedal to the metal. Of course it gets used up a lot faster than a moderate economical driver. Its short term fun and living life to the fullest vs. long term sustainability.
The other question: is it worth to look "young" as a oldcel?

It's more-so because of the causal relationship between "bulking" with extended periods of mTOR activation, which will speed up aging compared to people who incorporate IF and other practices that promote proteostasis.

To answer your question, I don't think it's ever good to look young or neotenous, but you always want to look good for your age. Looking healthy is typically conflated with looking younger. If you isolate naturally high androgen levels as a factor, I don't think that would contribute to unhealthy aging. It's more so the lifestyle of eating regularly and having an energy surplus to the point where AMPK is rarely utilised while exercising too hard and frequently and not resting enough, with a low NAD/NADH ratio.

Steroid users and gymmaxxers often rely on carlorically dense diets which lack enough nutrients to create enough NAD to aid in the level of energy generation needed to support their workload. Sure, the exogenous androgens will help grow their muscles faster, but they're neglecting energy metabolism and homeostatis entirely.

 

[sub5inchcel]

Learn the male vs female gaze.

cope

 

[Seth Walsh]

cope

It's not cope. How girls treat you in real life is your rating. A number given to you by dudes online or by a randomer selling a face rating service on fiverr is not your real rating.

 

[Zer0/∞]

You can compare eating high amounts of food/protein and very high androgen levels to driving a car everyday pedal to the metal. Of course it gets used up a lot faster than a moderate economical driver. Its short term fun and living life to the fullest vs. long term sustainability.
The other question: is it worth to look "young" as a oldcel?

Men peak at 50.

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

cope

 

[sub5inchcel]

It's not cope. How girls treat you in real life is your rating. A number given to you by dudes online or by a randomer selling a face rating service on fiverr is not your real rating.

a ltn and mtn can be treated the same but they still are different in terms of attractiveness level

 

[Seth Walsh]

a ltn and mtn can be treated the same but they still are different in terms of attractiveness level

Your thinking is too general though. Take things on a micro level. See how people treat you IRL and you'll know where you stand in terms of looks. Rating other guys does nothing for a man.

 

[Deprived]

High caloric intake and protein consumption -> mTOR signaling

 

[Tobias Fünke]

It's not cope. How girls treat you in real life is your rating. A number given to you by dudes online or by a randomer selling a face rating service on fiverr is not your real rating.

Ravi is getting flamed and he's too banned to defend himself!

 

[wagbox]

i literally was incel with this body lol

you never looked like that stop coping

 

[AsGoodAsItGets]

It's more-so because of the causal relationship between "bulking" with extended periods of mTOR activation, which will speed up aging compared to people who incorporate IF and other practices that promote proteostasis.

To answer your question, I don't think it's ever good to look young or neotenous, but you always want to look good for your age. Looking healthy is typically conflated with looking younger. If you isolate naturally high androgen levels as a factor, I don't think that would contribute to unhealthy aging. It's more so the lifestyle of eating regularly and having an energy surplus to the point where AMPK is rarely utilised while exercising too hard and frequently and not resting enough, with a low NAD/NADH ratio.

Steroid users and gymmaxxers often rely on carlorically dense diets which lack enough nutrients to create enough NAD to aid in the level of energy generation needed to support their workload. Sure, the exogenous androgens will help grow their muscles faster, but they're neglecting energy metabolism and homeostatis entirely.

what would be the proper protocol then when starting a cycle of say 250 test only (idk maybe after hcg protocol - been listening to vigorousSteve- has he got proper thought process?)?

any of these tie in with the right kind of thinking?:

lean bulk / recomp?
incorporate if &// omad with keeping in line with calorie balance?
carb loading on workout days + extra calories on workout days and maintenance on non days?
keto-carrnivore type diets with organ meat intake plus low GI carbs mostly?

 

[Deleted member 18086]

you never looked like that stop coping

sure, im the one coping here

 

[Seth Walsh]

High caloric intake and protein consumption -> mTOR signaling

Yeah, any calorie apart from pure fat will turn on mTOR. Even amino-acids by themselves turn on mTOR. What's problematic with the bodybuilding lifestyle is that mTOR is activated far too frequently, leading to downstream consequences like insulin resistance, weight gain, oxidative stress, inflammation, senescent cells. The eating frequency and the diet lacking nutrients is the problem. Nutrient dense foods typically aren't dense in calories, so people looking to put on weight/muscle usually hit their calorie goals but don't consume anywhere near enough nutrients to support sufficient NAD production that'd be needed to facilitate their energy expenditure or to support many of the enzymatic processes involved in mTOR. You can be gaining weight and still be malnourished.

There's a distinct difference between being an energy surplus calorie-wise, and being nourished in terms of having sufficient nutrients to contribute towards metabolising co-factors necessary for creating cellular energy needed for aerobic respiration.

 

[Seth Walsh]

what would be the proper protocol then when starting a cycle of say 250 test only (idk maybe after hcg protocol - been listening to vigorousSteve- has he got proper thought process?)?

any of these tie in with the right kind of thinking?:

lean bulk / recomp?
incorporate if &// omad with keeping in line with calorie balance?
carb loading on workout days + extra calories on workout days and maintenance on non days?
keto-carrnivore type diets with organ meat intake plus low GI carbs mostly?

I can't give any recommendations besides just saying what I do. I don't think taking steroids is a good option so I can't give any recommendations based on that.

 

[one job away]

You really wanna tell me that you would be incel with this body?

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Nigga doesn’t get any quality pussy. Only party’s with roasties and rental models.

Male gaze theory.


Beatiful faced eboys with skinny physique or slightly muscular at best like moritz hau fck stacys

 

[kalefartbomb]

The gymcel diet is not healthy and consists of a lot of meme foods and 1980s diet pseudoscience. They tend to overtrain, going to the gym far too often just because they can. Training is a highly stressful process on the body and it takes time for the body to make recovery inroads. To compound on all this, at some point most gymcels will experiment with "supps" and even stuff like SARMs and prohormones will cause ageing.

If you're smart you learn from your mistakes quickly and move forward better informed, staying natty, eating a proper nutritious diet, not tupperware frozen chicken and rice, and training less often but with more intensity.

 

[AsGoodAsItGets]

I can't give any recommendations besides just saying what I do. I don't think taking steroids is a good option so I can't give any recommendations based on that.

no worries g

 

[AsGoodAsItGets]

I can't give any recommendations besides just saying what I do. I don't think taking steroids is a good option so I can't give any recommendations based on that.

yeah but wait these are coll practices anyway then to not be signalling mTOR too frequently?

lean bulk on 2-300 cal surplus?
incorporate if &// omad with keeping in line with calorie balance?
carb loading on workout days (extra calories on workout days and maintenance on non days)?
keto-carrnivore type diets with organ meat intake plus low GI carbs mostly?

 

[Seth Walsh]

incorporate if &// omad with keeping in line with calorie balance?

This is the best. Also making sure you're eating nutritious food, focusing on intensity of effort in your workouts and making sure you recover fully and get enough sleep.

 

[medialcanthuscel]

It's mostly hormonal. Natty gym-goers in my IRL experience age better than other normies.

bro you are already good looking and looksmaxed, why do you waste time on this forum? 9000 posts holy fuck

 

[AsGoodAsItGets]

This is the best. Also making sure you're eating nutritious food, focusing on intensity of effort in your workouts and making sure you recover fully and get enough sleep.

thanks

 

[Deleted member 17997]

Protein powders and creatine will age you like nothing else, stress, eating inflammatory foods and stressing joints/tissue all the time

 

[eduardkoopman]

It's mostly hormonal. Natty gym-goers in my IRL experience age better than other normies.

this.

Roids.
Carrying alot of muscle mass.
Consuming ALOT of proteine.
Are all things, that are stressfull on the body, AND cause aging.

To age less/"well"; ideally one is a small twink.

 

[Deusmaximus]

Protein powders and creatine will age you like nothing else, stress, eating inflammatory foods and stressing joints/tissue all the time

Not sure about creatine, since anti anti experts are having it their stacks.

 

[Deleted member 17997]

Not sure about creatine, since anti anti experts are having it their stacks.

Tbh your right, its more of the fact that its synthetic creatine but creatine is anti ageing what am I saying

 

[wollet2]

It's not cope. How girls treat you in real life is your rating. A number given to you by dudes online or by a randomer selling a face rating service on fiverr is not your real rating.

what if you do steroids and dont eat enough

 

[Chinlet Ascension]

You can still train but just don’t dirty bulk and get fat…

Don't dirty bulk, don't get fat, and don't take large doses of drugs that tax your organs.

Weightlifting is one of hte best anti-aging things you can do for your health.

 

[eduardkoopman]

Protein powders and creatine will age you like nothing else, stress, eating inflammatory foods and stressing joints/tissue all the time

the health concerns related to excess protein in the body, especially if you follow an excessively high-protein diet for an extended period.

Weight gain​

High-protein diets may tout weight loss, but this type of weight loss may only be short-term.

Excess protein consumed is usually stored as fat, while the surplus of amino acids is excreted. This can lead to weight gain over time, especially if you consume too many calories while trying to increase your protein intake.

A 2016 study found that weight gain was significantly associated with diets where protein replaced carbohydrates, but not when it replaced fat.

Bad breath​

Eating large amounts of protein can lead to bad breath, especially if you restrict your carbohydrate intake.

In an older registry, 40 percent of participants reported bad breath. This could be in part because your body goes into a metabolic state called ketosis, which produces chemicals that give off an unpleasant fruity smell.

Brushing and flossing won’t get rid of the smell. You can double your water intake, brush your teeth more often, and chew gum to counter some of this effect.

Constipation​

In the same study, 44 percent of participants reported constipation. High-protein diets that restrict carbohydrates are typically low in fiber.

Increasing your water and fiber intake can help prevent constipation. Tracking your bowel movements may be helpful.

Diarrhea​

Eating too much dairy or processed food, coupled with a lack of fiber, can cause diarrhea. This is especially true if you’re lactose-intolerant or consume protein sources such as fried meat, fish, and poultry. Eat heart-healthy proteins instead.

To avoid diarrhea, drink plenty of water, avoid caffeinated beverages, limit fried foods and excess fat consumption, and increase your fiber intake.

Dehydration​

Your body flushes out excess nitrogen with fluids and water. This can leave you dehydrated even though you may not feel more thirsty than usual.

A small 2002 study involving athletes found that as protein intake increased, hydration levels decreased. However, a 2006 study concluded that consuming more protein had a minimal impact on hydration.

This risk or effect can be minimized by increasing your water intake, especially if you’re an active person. Regardless of protein consumption, it’s always important to drink plenty of water throughout the day.

Kidney damage​

While no major studiesTrusted Source link high protein intake to kidney damage in healthy individuals, excess protein can cause damage in people with preexisting kidney disease.



This is because of the excess nitrogen found in the amino acids that make up proteins. Damaged kidneys have to work harder to get rid of the extra nitrogen and waste products of protein metabolism.

Separately a 2012 study looked at the effects of low-carbohydrate, high-protein versus low-fat diets on the kidneys.

The study found that in healthy obese adults, a low-carbohydrate, high-protein weight-loss diet over two years was not associated with noticeably harmful effects on renal filtration, albuminuria, or fluid and electrolyte balance compared with a low-fat diet.

Increased cancer risk​

StudiesTrusted Source have shown that certain high-protein diets that are particularly high in red meat-based protein are linked to an increased risk of various health issues, including cancer. Eating more red and/or processed meat is associatedTrusted Source with colorectal, breastTrusted Source, and prostate cancer.

Conversely, eating protein from other sources has been associatedTrusted Source with a decreased risk of cancer. Scientists believe this could be due, in part, to hormones, carcinogenic compounds, and fats found in meat.

Heart disease​

Eating lots of red meat and full-fat dairy foods as part of a high-protein diet may lead to heart disease. This could be related to higher intakes of saturated fat and cholesterol.

According to a 2010 studyTrusted Source, eating large amounts of red meat and high-fat dairy was shown to increase the risk of coronary heart disease in women. Eating poultry, fish, and nuts lowered the risk.

A 2018 study also showed that long-term consumption of red meat can increase trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO), a gut-generated chemical that is linked to heart disease. Findings also showed that reducing or eliminating dietary red meat reversed the effects.

Calcium loss​

Diets that are high in protein and meat may cause calcium loss. This is sometimes associated with osteoporosis and poor bone health.

A 2013 review of studies found an association between high levels of protein consumption and poor bone health. However, another 2013 review found that the effect of protein on bone health is inconclusive. Further research is needed to expand and conclude upon these findings

 

[Deleted member 17997]

the health concerns related to excess protein in the body, especially if you follow an excessively high-protein diet for an extended period.

Weight gain​

High-protein diets may tout weight loss, but this type of weight loss may only be short-term.

Excess protein consumed is usually stored as fat, while the surplus of amino acids is excreted. This can lead to weight gain over time, especially if you consume too many calories while trying to increase your protein intake.

A 2016 study found that weight gain was significantly associated with diets where protein replaced carbohydrates, but not when it replaced fat.

Bad breath​

Eating large amounts of protein can lead to bad breath, especially if you restrict your carbohydrate intake.

In an older registry, 40 percent of participants reported bad breath. This could be in part because your body goes into a metabolic state called ketosis, which produces chemicals that give off an unpleasant fruity smell.

Brushing and flossing won’t get rid of the smell. You can double your water intake, brush your teeth more often, and chew gum to counter some of this effect.

Constipation​

In the same study, 44 percent of participants reported constipation. High-protein diets that restrict carbohydrates are typically low in fiber.

Increasing your water and fiber intake can help prevent constipation. Tracking your bowel movements may be helpful.

Diarrhea​

Eating too much dairy or processed food, coupled with a lack of fiber, can cause diarrhea. This is especially true if you’re lactose-intolerant or consume protein sources such as fried meat, fish, and poultry. Eat heart-healthy proteins instead.

To avoid diarrhea, drink plenty of water, avoid caffeinated beverages, limit fried foods and excess fat consumption, and increase your fiber intake.

Dehydration​

Your body flushes out excess nitrogen with fluids and water. This can leave you dehydrated even though you may not feel more thirsty than usual.

A small 2002 study involving athletes found that as protein intake increased, hydration levels decreased. However, a 2006 study concluded that consuming more protein had a minimal impact on hydration.

This risk or effect can be minimized by increasing your water intake, especially if you’re an active person. Regardless of protein consumption, it’s always important to drink plenty of water throughout the day.

Kidney damage​

While no major studiesTrusted Source link high protein intake to kidney damage in healthy individuals, excess protein can cause damage in people with preexisting kidney disease.



This is because of the excess nitrogen found in the amino acids that make up proteins. Damaged kidneys have to work harder to get rid of the extra nitrogen and waste products of protein metabolism.

Separately a 2012 study looked at the effects of low-carbohydrate, high-protein versus low-fat diets on the kidneys.

The study found that in healthy obese adults, a low-carbohydrate, high-protein weight-loss diet over two years was not associated with noticeably harmful effects on renal filtration, albuminuria, or fluid and electrolyte balance compared with a low-fat diet.

Increased cancer risk​

StudiesTrusted Source have shown that certain high-protein diets that are particularly high in red meat-based protein are linked to an increased risk of various health issues, including cancer. Eating more red and/or processed meat is associatedTrusted Source with colorectal, breastTrusted Source, and prostate cancer.

Conversely, eating protein from other sources has been associatedTrusted Source with a decreased risk of cancer. Scientists believe this could be due, in part, to hormones, carcinogenic compounds, and fats found in meat.

Heart disease​

Eating lots of red meat and full-fat dairy foods as part of a high-protein diet may lead to heart disease. This could be related to higher intakes of saturated fat and cholesterol.

According to a 2010 studyTrusted Source, eating large amounts of red meat and high-fat dairy was shown to increase the risk of coronary heart disease in women. Eating poultry, fish, and nuts lowered the risk.

A 2018 study also showed that long-term consumption of red meat can increase trimethylamine N-oxide (TMAO), a gut-generated chemical that is linked to heart disease. Findings also showed that reducing or eliminating dietary red meat reversed the effects.

Calcium loss​

Diets that are high in protein and meat may cause calcium loss. This is sometimes associated with osteoporosis and poor bone health.

A 2013 review of studies found an association between high levels of protein consumption and poor bone health. However, another 2013 review found that the effect of protein on bone health is inconclusive. Further research is needed to expand and conclude upon these findings

This is straight up propaganda, but too much protein is bad

 

[Danish_Retard]

this.

Roids.
Carrying alot of muscle mass.
Consuming ALOT of proteine.
Are all things, that are stressfull on the body, AND cause aging.

To age less/"well"; ideally one is a small twink.

You put it a lot better than me!

I was very surprised to hear that protein actually contributes a lot to aging from David Sinclair, in school nutrition we're always taught that protein is king.

 

[eduardkoopman]

You put it a lot better than me!

I was very surprised to hear that protein actually contributes a lot to aging from David Sinclair, in school nutrition we're always taught that protein is king.

I read about it in a neutrition book. I read about in the past.

taking to much Sugar, carbs, are the worst. for aging.
Protein overintake ages less that carbs, though. Rabs is the worste

 

[Deleted member 17595]

Just dont fall for the bulking meme

 

[javab]

Bodybuilding requires excessive calorie and protein consumption both of which increase mTOR. An over-activation of mTOR may provide an advantage (muscle hypertrophy, high levels of testosterone, and high spermatogenesis) in early life at the cost of accelerated aging later in life. Basically overconsumption of protein, which is common amongst bodybuilders, causes accelerated biological aging. I'm not super informed about this topic but you can watch Leo Longevity who has some interesting videos on this topic.