possible cure for hairloss could have been out for 10 years already..

[max_frisch]

imagine there would be a medication that basically could cure hairloss once and for all:

This is the best available model for human male pattern baldness. Stumptailed macaques have androgenetic alopecia like humans. They go bald when they hit puberty, and finasteride prevents this. All treatments that have been tested on both humans and macaques have similar efficacy in both, so that's a very good sign that this drug will work in humans too. What makes this treatment so promising is the amount of hair that the macaques regrew in this trial, and the quality of that hair. No other treatment has come close to growing this much hair in stumptailed macaques. Not even the combination of finasteride and minoxidil could come close. Additionally, the results last longer than other treatments. The macaques were injected subcutaneously with the antibody once every two weeks for 28 weeks, after which they had nearly full regrowth. Even after 4 years without treatment the macaques were still well above baseline. Other trials measure hair weight or the number of vellus hairs regrown. These measurements on the graphs below represent "thick terminal hairs", and you can see by the trichoscope image that miniaturized hairs returned to full thickness. Additionally, results did not plateau during the treatment period, so if treatment were continued for longer than 6 months they very likely would have had even more regrowth.

and now imagine they knew about this cure since 2008 but didnt push through with it because only male would profit..

The antibody was developed by Bioinvent, and licensed to Bayer in 2008. They conducted a phase I trial. During the preclinical work for this trial it was noticed that the drug increased hair growth in mice. Bayer, however, was not interested in pursuing a drug for male pattern baldness. They had begun an initiative to focus on women's health issues.

how many baldcels commited suicide since 2008? how many lifes could have been saved?






now imagine how many baldcels commited suicide since 2008, bayer has blood on its hands

HMI-115 PRLR antibody: The Most Promising Treatment Ever

Edit: This comes up over and over again so I'm pinning it to the top. These are quotes from two studies explaining why your prolactin levels have nothing to do with hair loss. dopamine, known as an inhibitor of PRL pituitary secretions, has no effect on PRL or PRL-R expression in human HFs...

www.hairlosstalk.com

 

[cvzvvc]

I'd like to imagine the cure is just sitting on a shelf somewhere in the storage closet of an Illuminati base. If you read that on the front page of the news it wouldn't surprise you jfl

 

[horizon]

Bayer, however, was not interested in pursuing a drug for male pattern baldness. They had begun an initiative to focus on women's health issues.

Holy shit that's fucking brutal.

 

[Enfant terrible]

"bayer, however, was not interested in pursuing a drug for male pattern baldness. They had begun an initiative to focus on women's health issues."

 

[RAITEIII]

The cure is already out. There are even MORE potent treatments than BAY but the question is where are they storaged and how can they be accessed. You need money iq and power and knowledge.

We know this exist but we lack the money and power to make it come our way.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

"bayer, however, was not interested in pursuing a drug for male pattern baldness. They had begun an initiative to focus on women's health issues."

on top of that men are discouraged from using the only available treatment that actually does work through bullshit media fear mongering psy op

 

[max_frisch]

if women had suffered from mbp it already would have been cured

 

[makeme183]

"bayer, however, was not interested in pursuing a drug for male pattern baldness. They had begun an initiative to focus on women's health issues."

so fucking stupid
they could have earned billions by now

 

[Deleted member 22930]

so fucking stupid
they could have earned billions by now

probably their cure didn't actually work and it was all a larp

 

[max_frisch]

probably their cure didn't actually work and it was all a larp

this is looks very promising even though - as always - we need to hold our horses

 

[Deleted member 19944]

so does fapping worsen hair loss in your opinion.

 

[max_frisch]

so does fapping worsen hair loss in your opinion.

read #6 in the hairlosstalk thread. short answer no. follicle produces its own prolactin independent of the hypothalamus-pituitary-adrenal axis and systemic hormone levels

 

[Gonthar]

Stumptailed macaques have androgenetic alopecia like humans.

The incel macaque:

The Chad macaque:

 

[max_frisch]

The incel macaque:

The Chad macaque:

fuck good find. its truly over for the stump tailed macaque

The stumptailed macaque has been used for decades to study male pattern baldness. They bald on the top of their head like we do when they hit puberty and DHT levels rise. When hairs are transplanted from the balding area to a non-balding area they continue to miniaturize, just like humans. When hairs are transplanted from non-balding areas to the bald areas they continue to grow and cycle normally, just like when humans get hair transplants. That is why this is the gold-standard for testing hair loss treatments. Mice do not suffer androgen-induced hair loss so it's difficult to test drugs on them. That is why you hear a lot about drugs growing hair in mice that just will not work in humans.

 

[JohnDoe]

fuck good find. its truly over for the stump tailed macaque

Didn't you claim transplanted hair still needs fin and yet here it's stated transplanted hair not balding aka back of the head doesn't miniaturize and require fin.

 

[max_frisch]

Didn't you claim transplanted hair still needs fin and yet here it's stated transplanted hair not balding aka back of the head doesn't miniaturize and require fin.

wtf the you talking?


1. the hair at the back is not 100% dht resistant in many. even though you wont go 100% bald there, you most likely will lose hairs there. thats one reason why many hairtransplant surgeons recommend even norwood 5/6 patients to hop on finasteride, as its strengthen the donor (meaning it recovers hairs there), which will give the surgeon more hairs to transplant without letting the donor zone looking depleted.

the fact that finasteride strengthen the donor proves many hairs there are not dht resistant, only a certain percetage. even in the safe zones.

if these non dht transplanted hairs get transplanted and you wont take finasteride, you will lose them eventually. the ht would lose density.

also surgeons cant predict with 100% accuracy where your donor safe zone is, where it starts and where it ends. like my neighbor was norwood 5 until 60 and 5 years later he is norwood 7 and the horseshoe is very low and slim. diffused thinned on top pf that. np way a doctor could have predicted this when my neighbor was 30 or sth. if transplanted hair was taken in an area outside that very smale safe zone, it would have be gone completely.

you also have to take into account that with age the hair gets thinner meaning the volume shrinks of every hair folicle, including dht resistant hairs. even people who dont have hairloss suffer from this.

thats a problem because the bigger the volume of hair, the bigger the chances are that it is going to shut out the reflection of light from the scalp and look like a full head of hair. the reflection of light from the scalp through thin hair (therefore light reflecting in-between low calibre hair shafts) creates the perception of hair loss. for every 10 microns increase or decrease in the hair shaft calibre, there is a 35% volume effect, either way. the average persons’ hair shaft calibre is around 68-70 microns. if for example, the calibre goes down to 58 microns, then literally 36% of the persons’ hair volume gets lost

so people with an ht, who have a very low density to begin with, are double fucked.


2. you need to take fin to prevent the non transplanted hair to fall out. even norwood 5 guys have to take finasteride to prevent the crown from expanding and the sides getting lower. think of my neighbor. its not uncommon for guys who happened to be norwood 5 (and think they reached their end norwood) between 40 and 60 to end up norwood 6 or more. getting a ht without commiting to finasteride is a dumb decision in my cases. its only recommend for guys who are like 50, norwood 2,3 a ton of donor hairs left (just in case) and no history of norwood 5-7 in their family.


3 this treatment wont stop balding. it just turns the clock back, regrow the hair. these hairs will get damaged with dht over time again then though. so depending on the person you either have to take finasteride with it or you have to repeat the process every 5-10 years. in the later case you rather wanna be rich bc that shit wont be cheap. but for rich people it doesnt matter. they will just get a 50.000 usd injection every couple of years and enjoy their norwood 0

 

[JohnDoe]

wtf the you talking?


1. the hair at the back is not 100% dht resistant in many. even though you wont go 100% bald there, you most likely will lose hairs there. thats one reason why many hairtransplant surgeons recommend even norwood 5/6 patients to hop on finasteride, as its strengthen the donor (meaning it recovers hairs there), which will give the surgeon more hairs to transplant without letting the donor zone looking depleted.

the fact that finasteride strengthen the donor proves many hairs there are not dht resistant, only a certain percetage. even in the safe zones.

if these non dht transplanted hairs get transplanted and you wont take finasteride, you will lose them eventually. the ht would lose density.

also surgeons cant predict with 100% accuracy where your donor safe zone is, where it starts and where it ends. like my neighbor was norwood 5 until 60 and 5 years later he is norwood 7 and the horseshoe is very low and slim. diffused thinned on top pf that. np way a doctor could have predicted this when my neighbor was 30 or sth. if transplanted hair was taken in an area outside that very smale safe zone, it would have be gone completely.

you also have to take into account that with age the hair gets thinner meaning the volume shrinks of every hair folicle, including dht resistant hairs. even people who dont have hairloss suffer from this.

thats a problem because the bigger the volume of hair, the bigger the chances are that it is going to shut out the reflection of light from the scalp and look like a full head of hair. the reflection of light from the scalp through thin hair (therefore light reflecting in-between low calibre hair shafts) creates the perception of hair loss. for every 10 microns increase or decrease in the hair shaft calibre, there is a 35% volume effect, either way. the average persons’ hair shaft calibre is around 68-70 microns. if for example, the calibre goes down to 58 microns, then literally 36% of the persons’ hair volume gets lost

so people with an ht, who have a very low density to begin with, are double fucked.


2. you need to take fin to prevent the non transplanted hair to fall out. even norwood 5 guys have to take finasteride to prevent the crown from expanding and the sides getting lower. think of my neighbor. its not uncommon for guys who happened to be norwood 5 (and think they reached their end norwood) between 40 and 60 to end up norwood 6 or more. getting a ht without commiting to finasteride is a dumb decision in my cases. its only recommend for guys who are like 50, norwood 2,3 a ton of donor hairs left (just in case) and no history of norwood 5-7 in their family.


3 this treatment wont stop balding. it just turns the clock back, regrow the hair. these hairs will get damaged with dht over time again then though. so depending on the person you either have to take finasteride with it or you have to repeat the process every 5-10 years. in the later case you rather wanna be rich bc that shit wont be cheap. but for rich people it doesnt matter. they will just get a 50.000 usd injection every couple of years and enjoy their norwood 0

Rather 50k every 5 years than tranny drug that ruins my dick

 

[PURE ARYAN GENETICS]

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