Blackpill THE DEVASTATING SCAPULA-SHOULDER PILL - THIS HAS DESTROYED MY LIFE ⚠

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We have similar frame, average clavicle width but slim waist. That's ideal if you're gymeceling, cause your shoulder belly is longer and therefore you can add lot of muscles to your frame !
This guy mogs you to oblivion on shoulder width. U are not same jfl
 
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i just measured my frame again and it's 16 inches..

How the fuck should i live for the next 30 years

you cant even get a legal euthanasia in this shitworld
You dont look 16 inches, ure bigger imo
 
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This thread gives us the anatomical explanation of why Shoulders of Chestbrah look worse visually than the shouders of Jeff Seid
This is irrelevant thought because girls wouldn’t autistically compare like this. Chestbrah’s chest/shoulders are universally extremely good and girls would love it, that’s all that matters.

This kind of autistic comparison isn’t good for mental health.
 
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Only talks about clavicle bullshit

You can have clavicle frame because of muscle mass, fat, long bones but that doesnt mean you have thick bones , FRAME

Wrists, hands, arms you didnt mention, at the end wrists are real frame indicator, if you have no fat on wrists and they are big that means your overall bones are big, which is real frame

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Only talks about clavicle bullshit

You can have clavicle frame because of muscle mass, fat, long bones but that doesnt mean you have thick bones , FRAME

Wrists, hands, arms you didnt mention, at the end wrists are real frame indicator, if you have no fat on wrists and they are thick that means your overall bones are thick, which is real frame

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What was the point of tagging us in a fucking comment, not even an actual post. Are you that desperate for rep?

Your right though tbh
 
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What was the point of tagging us in a fucking comment, not even an actual post. Are you that desperate for rep?

Your right though tbh
What is the point of you bitching all the time? "omg i was tagged" no one gives a fuck you indian street shitter faggot

i didnt even take time to write down your user just copy tagged some
 
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What is the point of you bitching all the time? "omg i was tagged" no one gives a fuck you indian street shitter faggot

i didnt even take time to write down your user just copy tagged some
Answer my question.
 
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Only talks about clavicle bullshit

You can have clavicle frame because of muscle mass, fat, long bones but that doesnt mean you have thick bones , FRAME

Wrists, hands, arms you didnt mention, at the end wrists are real frame indicator, if you have no fat on wrists and they are big that means your overall bones are big, which is real frame

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i have small wrist 😢 how bad are my hips?
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Only talks about clavicle bullshit

You can have clavicle frame because of muscle mass, fat, long bones but that doesnt mean you have thick bones , FRAME

Wrists, hands, arms you didnt mention, at the end wrists are real frame indicator, if you have no fat on wrists and they are big that means your overall bones are big, which is real frame

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Brutal only 7 inch wrists its over
 
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my clavicles literally changed from straight to v shaped over the past 3 years and i’m in my 20s. laying in bed so often actually fucked my shoulders up
 
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Antropometry-pill has destroyed my life already, but framepill... I can't even tell you how much painful that was to witness.

Yes, i am 6 PSL facially, but antopometry can either make or break you (i'm talking about wrist size + frame size + height). You just can't say it's not important


I have a pretty small waist so even with mid tier frame i look pretty good.

Could scapula winging decrease frame?
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These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection
Okay bro (y)
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I have wide shoulders but its cope
 
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Good thread, but all you have to do is roid and hit delts hard specifically the lateral/medial delt
Roids is the last step of ascension im ngl pslers be aspie body don’t matter, clothing don’t matter, personnality don’t matter, beard always a failo etc etc
 
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LET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT



IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL


"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."






NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN




The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT

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^^ Which Jimson has more sex - [ISPOILER]THE ONE ON THE RIGHT[/ISPOILER]



View attachment 729043 View attachment 729044

^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE[/ISPOILER]



View attachment 729048

^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE[/ISPOILER]






It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).


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Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground





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But "muh hard work and dedication"...



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Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles


Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true,
But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.






SCAPULA - PILL

(Neither @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage width
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The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.

- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage

Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.



CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look

View attachment 729226

Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.

One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion

It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits

View attachment 729136

Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest

View attachment 729140

Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple

But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders

View attachment 729162

It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait

A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms

View attachment 729165



FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal

View attachment 729215 View attachment 729216 View attachment 729219 View attachment 729220 View attachment 729223

THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches



DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with

View attachment 729258

Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle

Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection





... AND REMEMBER

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Bla bla bla, yappity yap. Not a word son
 
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I have perfectly straight lined scapula from one deltoid to the other deltoid to the other, and I think it actually is problematic since it makes my neck look tiny small, as opposed to a downward curved scapula which would make your neck look longer and more aesthetic.

The first guy in the picture has the problem as me... His neck looks too short because of the straight scapula.
 
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Bump. This is one of the best threads on the forum.
 
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I don't know what that means. Anyways, my point is that if you start lifting as a very skinny guy who never did sports in his life, your entire body will be weak so your shoulders won't look big so they'll look narrow, but as soon as you start filling your frame, you'll get wide, the taller you are, the wider you can become, but many guys never fulfill that amazing potential because they don't know how. The key is to focus on weighted chin ups and barbell rows to get wider. Guys who are weak at those lifts tend to have very small thin lats and because of that their shoulder look narrow.

This is why when I see a guy complaining about having a small frame I always ask him how much weight he can use on barbell rows and weighted chin ups and for how many reps so I can compare. Every time, it is because they are weak at those lifts or they are a very short guy.
wb pull ups
 
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Just do pull up and side lat raises tbh
 
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LET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT



IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL


"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."






NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN




The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT

View attachment 729041

^^ Which Jimson has more sex - [ISPOILER]THE ONE ON THE RIGHT[/ISPOILER]



View attachment 729043 View attachment 729044

^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE[/ISPOILER]



View attachment 729048

^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE[/ISPOILER]






It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).


View attachment 729068 View attachment 729076

Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------




But "muh hard work and dedication"...



View attachment 729082

Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles


Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true,
But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.






SCAPULA - PILL

(Neither @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage width
View attachment 729107 View attachment 729121
The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.

- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage

Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.



CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look

View attachment 729226

Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.

One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion

It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits

View attachment 729136

Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest

View attachment 729140

Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple

But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders

View attachment 729162

It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait

A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms

View attachment 729165



FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal

View attachment 729215 View attachment 729216 View attachment 729219 View attachment 729220 View attachment 729223

THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches



DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with

View attachment 729258

Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle

Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection





... AND REMEMBER

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Ur concept is high iq. 2 questions though.

1. Do u think women r high IQ enough to perceive the value of wide frame and being generally thicc?

2. Where is the cutoff for a good frame and robust thiccness? Can PM u my pic if easier to see if I make the cut
 
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tbh just bone smash ur back and smack yourself into walls and stuff
 
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If you are a framecel u need to eat alot
 
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You dumbfucks there are several muscles that move and rotate the scapula up and down. If you have excessive v shaped clavicles that just means that your upper traps are too tight and strong relative to your pec minor (the muscle which literally depresses your clavicle). So do pec minor strengthening.
 
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You dumbfucks there are several muscles that move and rotate the scapula up and down. If you have excessive v shaped clavicles that just means that your upper traps are too tight and strong relative to your pec minor (the muscle which literally depresses your clavicle). So do pec minor strengthening.
What type of pec minor strength do you refer too?

and also is there a way to increase scapula breath?

lastly where can i learn more about the body holistically like you said? where can i turn to to know more of the info you know of?
 
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1. Do u think women r high IQ enough to perceive the value of wide frame and being generally thicc?
100%

For context, I am 6’7” with a slightly below average frame.

I was in class a few months ago when this older rowing guy was brought up into conversation. He left the school a couple years ago so i didn’t know him but apparently some people did.

Anyway, some girls were describing him to those who didn’t know who he was, saying he had dark hair, pale skin, and tall.

‘Oh, so like AverageTevvezFan then?’ - girl 1

‘No no no, he was big too. Like AverageTevvezFan but a lot broader’ - girl 2

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At which point I wanted to punch this chubby bitch in the face and blow my brains out.

They notice frame. For most it’s subconscious, unless you are extremely narrow or extremely wide in which case it is notable. Regardless, frame (height included) is the determining factor as to whether you are intimidating, respected and hence physically attractive. Sure you can get away with being smaller if you have great facial aesthetics, but every man is more attractive at 6’3” with a 22 inch bideltoid regardless of their archetype.
 
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What type of pec minor strength do you refer too?

and also is there a way to increase scapula breath?

lastly where can i learn more about the body holistically like you said? where can i turn to to know more of the info you know of?
@Babushkacatlady hey do you mind responding to this please? would help us noobs

should we stretch upper traps too since you said they are tight
 
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Am i a framcel ? (16 years old)
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i dont excerise or go gym btw
 

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