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[SIZE=5]balding17yomanletcel[/SIZE]This is indeed right, i have a very fucked up scapula but broad clavicles its fucked me
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its because he's narrow as fuck and gets framemogged by women. How does someone with v shaped clavicles target their workout regimes so that they don't look like chestbrah as depicted in this post? He looks very crunched up and compressed instead of looking broad and wide which is how he would have looked with straight clavicles.Chestbrah doesn't have an amazing physique lol
He could have one but he doesn't. You nerds emphasise fundamentally on the shoulders' frame which is fair enough and legit and I get it and it is the most crucial element to everything, but at the end of the day you still need to get all the other things in place and if you look at the rest of his physique outside of his chest and shoulders, it screams dumb meathead that doesn't;'t know how to workout in the gym.
its because he's narrow as fuck and gets framemogged by women. How does someone with v shaped clavicles target their workout regimes so that they don't look like chestbrah as depicted in this post? He looks very crunched up and compressed instead of looking broad and wide which is how he would have looked with straight clavicles.
Holy fuck the IQ of this thread blew my mind tbh, idk why this forum hasn't come up with this until now. My dad has incel clavicles but a huge frame despite barely any muscle mass, it makes so much sense that he probably has big scapulas.
What are your thoughts on doing exercises that place constant stress on the scapula's and when the muscle gets stronger the resting posture is stronger, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolff's_law
Don't do thatWhat are your thoughts on doing exercises that place constant stress on the scapula's and when the muscle gets stronger the resting posture is stronger, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolff's_law
Probably cope idea, genetics
I meant for scapula size not clavicles, my clavicles look chad compared to that chestbrah imageDon't do that
Roided gymeceling and clavicle osteotomy is the only way to increase clavicle size.
Your theory will work but 90% of your total clavicle size finishes developing till the age 12, so no it doesn't works.
Funny thing that’s when my posture worsened I had more sloped shoulders. I basically fixed it. Maybe it’s also posture tooLET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT
⚠ IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL ⚠
Physical attractiveness: the influence of selected torso parameters - PubMed
Front-view line drawings of male and female physiques were rated for attractiveness. Both subject sexes rated female physiques with greater curvature as less attractive. Male subjects' ratings were unaffected by breast size while female subjects showed slight negative evaluation of large...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."
NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN
The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT
View attachment 729041
^^ Which Jimson has more sex - [ISPOILER]THE ONE ON THE RIGHT[/ISPOILER]
View attachment 729043View attachment 729044
^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE[/ISPOILER]
View attachment 729048
^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE[/ISPOILER]
It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).
View attachment 729068View attachment 729076
Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground
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But "muh hard work and dedication"...
View attachment 729082
Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles
Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true, But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.
SCAPULA - PILL
(Neither @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage widthView attachment 729107View attachment 729121
The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.
- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage
Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.
CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look
View attachment 729226
Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.
One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion
It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits
View attachment 729136
Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest
View attachment 729140
Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple
But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders
View attachment 729162
It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait
A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms
View attachment 729165
FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal
View attachment 729215View attachment 729216View attachment 729219View attachment 729220View attachment 729223
THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches
DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with
View attachment 729258
Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle
Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection
... AND REMEMBER
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just have everything else theoryView attachment 868919
cope chalamet is a slayer despite twink frame
what are those exercises I'm 17damn I wish I knew that the clavicle growth plates were still open until 25
I'd have been doing hercules holds and reeves shrugs in every gym session, too late now tho.
will hgh increase clavicles at 17?what are those exercises I'm 17
Rate frame
Finally got it back up.LET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT
⚠ IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL ⚠
Physical attractiveness: the influence of selected torso parameters - PubMed
Front-view line drawings of male and female physiques were rated for attractiveness. Both subject sexes rated female physiques with greater curvature as less attractive. Male subjects' ratings were unaffected by breast size while female subjects showed slight negative evaluation of large...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."
NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN
The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT
View attachment 729041
^^ Which Jimson has more sex - [ISPOILER]THE ONE ON THE RIGHT[/ISPOILER]
View attachment 729043View attachment 729044
^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE[/ISPOILER]
View attachment 729048
^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE[/ISPOILER]
It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).
View attachment 729068View attachment 729076
Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
But "muh hard work and dedication"...
View attachment 729082
Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles
Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true, But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.
SCAPULA - PILL
(Neither @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage widthView attachment 729107View attachment 729121
The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.
- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage
Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.
CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look
View attachment 729226
Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.
One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion
It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits
View attachment 729136
Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest
View attachment 729140
Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple
But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders
View attachment 729162
It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait
A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms
View attachment 729165
FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal
View attachment 729215View attachment 729216View attachment 729219View attachment 729220View attachment 729223
THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches
DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with
View attachment 729258
Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle
Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection
... AND REMEMBER
View attachment 729239View attachment 729242View attachment 729243View attachment 729249View attachment 729253
efron have v clavicles?LET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT
⚠ IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL ⚠
Physical attractiveness: the influence of selected torso parameters - PubMed
Front-view line drawings of male and female physiques were rated for attractiveness. Both subject sexes rated female physiques with greater curvature as less attractive. Male subjects' ratings were unaffected by breast size while female subjects showed slight negative evaluation of large...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."
NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN
The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT
View attachment 729041
^^ Which Jimson has more sex - [ISPOILER]THE ONE ON THE RIGHT[/ISPOILER]
View attachment 729043View attachment 729044
^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE[/ISPOILER]
View attachment 729048
^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE[/ISPOILER]
It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).
View attachment 729068View attachment 729076
Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
But "muh hard work and dedication"...
View attachment 729082
Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles
Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true, But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.
SCAPULA - PILL
(Neither @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage widthView attachment 729107View attachment 729121
The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.
- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage
Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.
CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look
View attachment 729226
Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.
One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion
It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits
View attachment 729136
Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest
View attachment 729140
Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple
But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders
View attachment 729162
It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait
A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms
View attachment 729165
FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal
View attachment 729215View attachment 729216View attachment 729219View attachment 729220View attachment 729223
THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches
DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with
View attachment 729258
Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle
Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection
... AND REMEMBER
View attachment 729239View attachment 729242View attachment 729243View attachment 729249View attachment 729253
No, it will grow synergistically with the other bones:will hgh increase clavicles at 17?
so hgh is cope at 17? for wrists, hands , clavicles etc
i wanna know tooso hgh is cope at 17? for wrists, hands , clavicles etc
i dont even mean height
idk Id be scared my hips get wider tbhtechnically it should be possible as growth plates are still open
those close way before clavicles rightidk Id be scared my hips get wider tbh
Why so much negativity? You literally has the only negative things to say, but i've put so much effort into making the thread, photoshoping the pictures, and finding the information... Just ignore the thread and find a reason to call me out i guessI cannot help but lol at how wrong this is from an anatomical standpoint.
I said that in my next post:I don't disagree with anything you said in the original post. However, the conclusions some are drawing seem warranted.
Is this really a shock to anyone? It's like yeah, the ideal body is the ideal body. I mean, don't you think you'll find all kinds of things that differentiate the .01% of male bodies? That seems obvious to me.
The conclusion some are drawing is that gymmaxxing is hopeless unless you have the frame of Jeff Seid.
Is chestbrah better off looking like he does? Or would his life be exactly the same if he was a fat normy fuck?
I rest my case.
GET YOUR ASS TO THE GYM.
Yeah I know. You have really good takes from what I’ve seen. I was addressing the dudes who were thinking they should rope due to their shoulders.I said that in my next post:
💪 GYMCELLING - Women perceive the body THE SAME WAY WE DO + It's 100% LEGIT
⭐ GYMECELING IS LEGIT ⭐ 1) Countering the "muh gym is cope" It's common misconception that gymeceling doesn't work, and that "muh, face is everything.. You don't need to gymcel". If you have a good face, ignore my thread and Ill gladly get the fuck out. Your argument is retarded and made up...looksmax.org
This would only be a prob if u have srsly narrow shoulders but as long as ur avg frame I don’t see a big dealLET ME BE STRAIGHTFORWARD AND TELL YOU THAT FRAME IS IMPORTANT
⚠ IT'S almost AS EQUIVELENT AS THE HEIGHTPILL ⚠
Physical attractiveness: the influence of selected torso parameters - PubMed
Front-view line drawings of male and female physiques were rated for attractiveness. Both subject sexes rated female physiques with greater curvature as less attractive. Male subjects' ratings were unaffected by breast size while female subjects showed slight negative evaluation of large...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
"Actually, that’s unfair to suits. Women respond to broad shoulders far more powerfully than men respond to breasts, making suits the more powerful of the two. Do you know that lustful feeling well-cloven cleavage can instil in you? Well, broad shoulders give women that same feeling, except stronger (study)."
NOW ONCE I DREW YOUR ATTENTION, LET'S BEGIN
The traditional "Muh frame doesn't matter" is a BULLSHIT
View attachment 729041
^^ Which Jimson has more sex - [ISPOILER]THE ONE ON THE RIGHT[/ISPOILER]
View attachment 729043View attachment 729044
^^ Which BBC is living more happier life = [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT ONE OF COURSE[/ISPOILER]
View attachment 729048
^^ Which guy do you think is overall more successful in life - [ISPOILER]THE RIGHT FUCKING ONE[/ISPOILER]
It is very important for men to be tall, wide framed, and heavy (due to bone mass and muscle mass).
View attachment 729068View attachment 729076
Being a lightweighted twink will extremely reduce your General Fighting success, superior chads will be easily able to lift you up and slam you down to the ground
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
But "muh hard work and dedication"...
View attachment 729082
Chestbrahs Frame Looks like shit next to jeff's one, his clavicles have the width of his head, his shoulders are compressed on his ribcage, you can easily spot his below average Frame under all These muscles
Most People typically rely on that bro science that wide shoulders are simply caused by wide clavicles, which is half-way true, But the important factor which makes their shoulders so Broad are their scapulas. which brings us to scapula - pill section.
SCAPULA - PILL
(Neither @Sergeant knows how to fix double spoiler problem, it's a xenforo issue)
Kim freire for example doesn't has extreme wide clavicles, but he has a enormous wide Scapula which extends well above his horizontal ribcage widthView attachment 729107View attachment 729121
The shape and the lateral projection of the Scapula is determined by your genetics, mostly it's determined by the androgen receptor exposure and their Density/sensitivity.
- The lateral projection of the glenoid cavity aka the neck is the most important part, if this part is laterally narrow along with a sloped Humerus Insertion then the shoulders will look like they are literally compressed on the ribcage
Although the "slopedness" is in 90% of cases more related to The clavicle shape, every chad has 1 Thing in common: Straight clavicles or at least relatively straight clavicles, it's not even the actual width of the clavicles but the straightness which is important. Thus brings us to clavicle insertions section.
CLAVICLE INSERTIONS (Angulation)
Straight clavicles determine how Broad/squarish and straight in General your shoulders will look
View attachment 729226
Incels have usually horrible feminine short curved V shaped clavicles, this does not only makes the shoulders look sloped, it also results in a horizontal narrow chest Insertion, a chest muscle insertions which grows downward rather than laterally outwards.
One of the WORST incel traits you can imagine, a roundish horizontal narrow U shaped chest insertion
It's such a typical gymcel trait, it Looks totally un-dimorphic and unmasculine, like 2 Forward projecting sagging tits
View attachment 729136
Compared to a godly chaddish horizontal wide square chest
View attachment 729140
Lets imagine 2 guys with the same biacromial breadth, one with square and one with sloped shoulders, the one with the square shoulder will look optically and objectively wider after he gained the same amount of mass because his Deltoid projection goes straight sideways and not diagonally upwards like on a cripple
But if you have sloped shoulders, Increasing your Deltoid size will consequently increase the slopedness of your shoulders
View attachment 729162
It just Looks ugly and silly, it's not only a incel trait, it's a total neotenous-feminine trait
A mature male Body is supposed to be straightly framed by the shoulders/arms
View attachment 729165
FINAL CONCLUSION
The angulation of your shoulders/clavicle along with the length of your neck determine whetever you will be seen as a naturally unathletic Coping gymcel or as a natural athletic chad with a huge sex appeal
View attachment 729215View attachment 729216View attachment 729219View attachment 729220View attachment 729223
THIS IS WHAT PRIME JB'S WANT!!!!. They dont care About your utterly roided/bloated and sloped 22 Inch bideltoid when chad Comes into the room with his genetically superior non gymcelled 25 Inch square-shoulder bideltoid with a biacromial breadth of 23 inches
DOES GYMECELING HELP ?
The answer is: YES, BUT only if you have relatively straight clavicles/squarish shoulders to begin with
View attachment 729258
Zyzz, David Laid, Jon Skywalker etc. all These guys had relatively Broad and straight clavicles to begin with which why they looked so aesthetic after they gained several Pounds of muscle
Deluded normies Always use These 3 guys as a example that anyone can max his Frame simply by going to the gym, but almost no one Pays Attention to the fact that all These 3 guys already had a very impressive clavicular/shoulder structure to begin with which allowed them a straight lateral Deltoid projection
... AND REMEMBER
View attachment 729239View attachment 729242View attachment 729243View attachment 729249View attachment 729253
streamlined headThis explains why my frame is decent. Half my frame is just the scapula extending past the clavicles. Since my clavicles are relatively straight and my scapula is also straight i look broad. But I disagree about the ribcage part. Even if you have mogger god frame, if your rib cage is equally large and god-tier along with large lats it will still look like collapsing on the rib cage is occurring. Michael Phelps is an example. His frame makes is nearly as good as jeff seid but Phelps is pure natty (olympics are brutal with testing so phelps has to be clean) but we still see collapsing on his ribcage due to god tier lung and ribcage size
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