Chances are you aren't really interested in answering the questions of random people on the internet but on the offchance that you might be willing to, could you dm me your discord if you have one? I just have a few brief questions to ask regarding surgeon recommendations.
Add nasion projection too
Coceancig is stupid. He once said in a video that men probably have strong jawlines because of “playing football and clenching their jaws” and the other surgeon interrupted him and correctly said it was genetics and bone structure.
so what do you think about coceancig line? is it overkill?
Adding nasion projection doesn't change the fact that user tilted it far beyond 'good posture'. The line from ear, through the infra to the nasal bone is already the Frankfurt plane indicating horizontal head position. The only thing good posture would due is straighten up the neck, not alter the angle his face is at.
When did he say that? Coceancig always says everything is genetics to a point when even I don't agree with him. He straight up claims modern malocclusion has nothing or very little to do with environment and it's all genetics. Are you again making up stuff?
Lol he literally claims here that big masseters are from eating a lot of corn, clenching and playing football, and the other surgeon says its genetics and he disagrees:When did he say that? Coceancig always says everything is genetics to a point when even I don't agree with him. He straight up claims modern malocclusion has nothing or very little to do with environment and it's all genetics. Are you again making up stuff?
Nice "Frankfurt line".
You realise Coceancig does his Frankfurt line through the infraorbital rim and the end of the nasal bridge. You clearly admit this yourself when you tried to say you cannot draw a Frankfurt plane from the ear without a ceph scan JFL. You think you're owning but you're owning yourself.Nice "Frankfurt line".
I guess you still haven't realized the upper margin of the external acoustic meatus is quite a bit higher than the point you are using right?
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You are legit mentally ill or just mentally retarded. Still not sure which one are you.
He made a joke about a guy he knew who would religiously chew in order to grow his masseter muscles. How retarded are you to not even understand spoken language? I hope you are not a native English speaker or else you are legit sub90 IQ.You are autistic.He didn't say the jawline is due to chewing.
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dude, please redraw the exact coceancig line on this photos he shared then. you all are confusing meNice "Frankfurt line".
I guess you still haven't realized the upper margin of the external acoustic meatus is quite a bit higher than the point you are using right?
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You are legit mentally ill or just mentally retarded. Still not sure which one are you.
What are you even talking about you absolute imbecile?
dude, please redraw the exact coceancig line on this photos he shared then. you all are confusing me
so it actually the red line? if so, he's still a bit recessed according to coceancig, right ?
No?Y You made the line go through his eyeball lmaoso it actually the red line? if so, he's still a bit recessed according to coceancig, right ?
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He won't. The Frankfurt plane is through the infraorbital rim. I'll adjust mine to be more precise though.
Coceancig does the line at a 90 deg angle against the Frankfurt plane, dropping from the end of the nasal bridge. It did mean my lines were slightly off.Completely different from your so called line
but he's still recessed even if I go down to that point you made?
Nice "adjustment" dumbass. Do you even know the nose bone ends?He won't. The Frankfurt plane is through the infraorbital rim. I'll adjust mine to be more precise though.
Coceancig does the line at a 90 deg angle against the Frankfurt plane, dropping from the end of the nasal bridge. It did mean my lines were slightly off.
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Here I adjusted them to be more precise, and guess what? These men are recessed according to Coceancig
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dude explain in detail then. I'm hungry for knowledge on BIMAXNice "adjustment" dumbass. Do you even know the nose bone ends?
I put the end of the nasal bone at the edge of the line, e.g. here. I didn't draw the line ON the end because you want to see where the bones are meant to be advanced to (i.e. the edge of the line) down the face. You keep coping in your defence of Coceancig and it's so cringe to watch.
What is there to explain? You guys paint the line in the middle of the nose when roughly the last two thirds of the nose is no longer bone but cartilage.dude explain in detail then. I'm hungry for knowledge on BIMAX
I put it in the correct place, give or take 1mm (you can only guess on some noses). This dude is either trolling or just stupid. The nasal bone is on different places in each person, and usually where I put it.
Holy shit this explains why you are so stupid. The Frankfurt plane is not showing where the fucking line drops. Look at the vertical line, the edge closest to the eye. It drops from the nasal bridge, not the fucking middle of the nose.
No retard did you even see the gif? The nosebone ends at the start of the nose not half way through.
You are fucking stupid. Look at where the vertical line actually drops from. Ignore the Frankfurt plane line.
Since you are apparently too stupid to actually look at the vertical line, I made it clearer for you by not intersecting the Frankfurt plane with the line dropping from the bridge.
What is this idiotic attempt at a strawman? Are you trying to claim that I am saying something completely different?
It's still irrelevant you can't properly judge the line from a candid photo anyways. As I have shown Ramieri does virtually the same movements. This whole conversation is basically OP digging a massive hole for himself sperging out like the moronic autist he is.
DRAW IT
DRAW THEM ALL AND CORRECT IT ALREADY INSTEAD OF INSULTING
Just because he is a celebrity doesn't mean he isn't recessed at all, most people are.
As someone who consulted with Coceancig and spoke with Ramieri, that is complete bullshit. You have no argument here so you just revert to the lie that Ramieri follows the same guidelines.
Actually, Cavill shows that "forward growth" to Coceancig's standards are just a meme. It's not superior. He would look like a monkey. If anyone is autistic it is you subscribing to some rigid standard of forward growth that no other surgeons take seriously.
Lay down, don't jut, snap a side profile pic, turn it 90 degrees and then you might have a good starting point if you don't have an xray or a ct. You can't do a ceph analysis from a candid photo.
You're complaining about candid photos now, but that isn't even a side profile, you can see the front of his nasal bones lol. You're getting desperate.
The lines drawn are obviously wrong though
Ramieri's vs Coceancig's female patient result
FEMALE. The Coceancig line he applies to males. Holy crap you are also completely stupid because you are not taking individual phenotype into account. Some people that alignment works for because of their nasal bones. For many it simply does not. Forward growth actually works better on women.
looks better
The only difference between males and females is that Coceancig does 5mm less in woman's lower third, that's it.
