To those taking aromatase inhibitors to try to get taller

[jefferson]

I don't think alot of you fully understand the risks and implications of doing this. I will enlighten you as someone who has dealt with crashed and low estrogen many many times.

The longest my estrogen has been low at a time was about 2 weeks straight. This is what happened to me during that time:

-anxiety attacks everytime I try to sleep
-obsessive thoughts about my then gf cheating
-cannot get proper erection without alot of viagra, barely even feel orgasms.
-depression
-brain fog
-lethargy, loss of strength. Could barely complete an easy workout, wanted to leave every second I was in the gym.
-dehydration no matter how much water I drank
-painfully sore joints (if you stay like this for an extended period of time you will cause permanent damage to your joints)
-rapidly losing hair

That was for only 2 weeks guys. If you're using it to try and gain height you'll be on it for at least a year. I think most people would probably end up committing suicide after a few months of that. (Rip @Extra Chromosome, pbuh)

Now you can make a more informed decision.

 

[x30001]

I don't think alot of you fully understand the risks and implications of doing this. I will enlighten you as someone who has dealt with crashed and low estrogen many many times.

The longest my estrogen has been low at a time was about 2 weeks straight. This is what happened to me during that time:

-anxiety attacks everytime I try to sleep
-obsessive thoughts about my then gf cheating
-cannot get proper erection without alot of viagra, barely even feel orgasms.
-depression
-brain fog
-lethargy, loss of strength. Could barely complete an easy workout, wanted to leave every second I was in the gym.
-dehydration no matter how much water I drank
-painfully sore joints (if you stay like this for an extended period of time you will cause permanent damage to your joints)
-rapidly losing hair

That was for only 2 weeks guys. If you're using it to try and gain height you'll be on it for at least a year. I think most people would probably end up committing suicide after a few months of that. (Rip @Extra Chromosome, pbuh)

Now you can make a more informed decision.

Real shit.

 

[fobos]

@Extra Chromosome was feeling worse and worse, wouldn't surprise me if he roped

 

[Lorsss]

I don't think alot of you fully understand the risks and implications of doing this. I will enlighten you as someone who has dealt with crashed and low estrogen many many times.

The longest my estrogen has been low at a time was about 2 weeks straight. This is what happened to me during that time:

-anxiety attacks everytime I try to sleep
-obsessive thoughts about my then gf cheating
-cannot get proper erection without alot of viagra, barely even feel orgasms.
-depression
-brain fog
-lethargy, loss of strength. Could barely complete an easy workout, wanted to leave every second I was in the gym.
-dehydration no matter how much water I drank
-painfully sore joints (if you stay like this for an extended period of time you will cause permanent damage to your joints)
-rapidly losing hair

That was for only 2 weeks guys. If you're using it to try and gain height you'll be on it for at least a year. I think most people would probably end up committing suicide after a few months of that. (Rip @Extra Chromosome, pbuh)

Now you can make a more informed decision.

in my opinion this is too much to be related to AI effect, a part of theese effects must be a placebo.

maybe your body will adapt to ai in future

 

[Deleted member 685]

I don't think alot of you fully understand the risks and implications of doing this. I will enlighten you as someone who has dealt with crashed and low estrogen many many times.

The longest my estrogen has been low at a time was about 2 weeks straight. This is what happened to me during that time:

-anxiety attacks everytime I try to sleep
-obsessive thoughts about my then gf cheating
-cannot get proper erection without alot of viagra, barely even feel orgasms.
-depression
-brain fog
-lethargy, loss of strength. Could barely complete an easy workout, wanted to leave every second I was in the gym.
-dehydration no matter how much water I drank
-painfully sore joints (if you stay like this for an extended period of time you will cause permanent damage to your joints)
-rapidly losing hair

That was for only 2 weeks guys. If you're using it to try and gain height you'll be on it for at least a year. I think most people would probably end up committing suicide after a few months of that. (Rip @Extra Chromosome, pbuh)

Now you can make a more informed decision.

Legit, you need estrogen even as a man. Just not too much

 

[fobos]

in my opinion this is too much to be related to AI effect, a part of theese effects must be a placebo.

maybe your body will adapt to ai in future

It is not about AI's themselves it's about low estrogen levels

 

[jefferson]

in my opinion this is too much to be related to AI effect, a part of theese effects must be a placebo.

maybe your body will adapt to ai in future

Lol no. It's low estrogen, not the ai. I've 'crashed' my estrogen without taking any ai. Just took too much methyl dht which blocks estrogen at the receptor. Got the exact same sides.

 

[jefferson]

Also I forgot to mention, having crashed estrogen for an extended period of time is terrible for your health. Your cholesterol will be trashed and you'll be at risk of heart disease.

 

[fobos]

How long does it take to recover from crashed E?

 

[jefferson]

How long does it take to recover from crashed E?

Alot of factors.

Are you Natty or on superhuman test levels?

Did you use a suicidal inhibitor like aromasin? Or arimidex which will rebound faster?

Also part of it is genetic based on how heavily you aromatize and how quickly your aromatase levels restore themselves.


On 500mg of test and and aromasin it takes about 5 days for me

 

[x30001]

Mess with Estrogen and get messed-up Emotions

 

[Tom2004]

Would rather die tomorrow at 6'2 than at 100 at 5'5 lol. Although this is quite true, you have to pay for the rewards

 

[Maximus]

Finally a good thread, I just have a couple of questions:

1. Did you get blood work done before, during, and after your AI usage?
2. Did you permanently lose any hair or did it grow back after some time?

Also I’m pretty sure in the studies where they used a GH/AI combo for growth hormone deficient people, they didn’t crash their estrogen.

 

[jefferson]

Finally a good thread, I just have a couple of questions:

1. Did you get blood work done before, during, and after your AI usage?
2. Did you permanently lose any hair or did it grow back after some time?

Also I’m pretty sure in the studies where they used a GH/AI combo for growth hormone deficient people, they didn’t crash their estrogen.

1.) No, bloodwork is a bitch to get in canada. I've crashed my estrogen about 10 times from experimenting with various drugs and doses though lol. By this point I know how it feels without a shadow a doubt.

2.) The hair regrew. If I had my estrogen crashed for an entire year though I'm not confident that it would have.

 

[jefferson]

Would rather die tomorrow at 6'2 than at 100 at 5'5 lol. Although this is quite true, you have to pay for the rewards

Yeah if you want to do it then I get that. But I won't personally recommend it and people should know what they're getting themselves into.

 

[CupOfCoffee]

I crashed my estrogen last 10 days and it's not pretty. Depression (just see my recent threads), more anxious and irritable, feeling tired, forcing myself to do any work, more prone to mistakes (almost destroyed my car while driving).

 

[jefferson]

Also I’m pretty sure in the studies where they used a GH/AI combo for growth hormone deficient people, they didn’t crash their estrogen.

I think I read one of those studies. They probably did crash the estrogen of those people. I don't recall that the study even went over side effects the participants experienced but you can be sure they did get side effects if they were taking something like 0.5mg arimidex eod.

 

[heroinfather]

I didn't know chromo was taking AIs for an extended period, wow that makes me really sad that it affected him like that

 

[jefferson]

I didn't know chromo was taking AIs for an extended period, wow that makes me really sad that it affected him like that

He was taking a high dose of letrozole, getting more depressed, his dick stopped working, then one day he disappeared. It's just speculation what actually happened to him.

 

[heroinfather]

He was taking a high dose of letrozole, getting more depressed, his dick stopped working, then one day he disappeared. It's just speculation what actually happened to him.

to think I was about to go on an AI stack to get rid of minor gyno.. thank god I saw the warnings

 

[x30001]

Changing your height is a bullshit facade and it's making people go insane. People lose their minds when they try to control a perceived "problem" that can't actually be controlled. I was 6'1 at 16 and am 6'2 at 21. You can't use drugs to override your genes. You can try all the experimental stuff but be aware that the side-effects are real and abundant and the actual chance of growing half a foot due to some increased levels of growth hormone is next to 0. Stop expecting so much and stop taking crazy risks and take some time to understand how you can't hack your genetic potential for height growth with some silly peptides. Sure, go ahead, max out and do whatever, but don't become dejected when you don't have the experience you expect.

 

[jefferson]

to think I was about to go on an AI stack to get rid of minor gyno.. thank god I saw the warnings

look into raloxifene, purplepanda sells raws. Often more effective than crashing estrogen for gyno removal, and doesn't carry the side effects. Take 60mg per day.

Also ralox will slightly boost your natural testosterone.

 

[x30001]

Would rather die tomorrow at 6'2 than at 100 at 5'5 lol. Although this is quite true, you have to pay for the rewards

MK677 and CJC NO DAC! take 20000 injections today and you will grow 9 inches in one day. Yes the rewards are there......

Really, no there not. People believe in heightmaxing because they are panicked beyond reason and don't like to accept the fact that their adult height is not in their control. And they also feel as if they HAVE TO BE over 6' to live any sort of decent life which is just some horrible blackpill nonsense that gets you depressed. Heightmaxing shouldn't even be a looksmax. There's no method. It's all madness. And everyone ends up sad at the end. Feel bad for EC and hope he is still alive and just stopped letting "heightmaxing" consume his entire mind all day long which made him super depressed.

 

[heroinfather]

look into raloxifene, purplepanda sells raws. Often more effective than crashing estrogen for gyno removal, and doesn't carry the side effects. Take 60mg per day.

Also ralox will slightly boost your natural testosterone.

I was just going to take ralox at first because of some research on norwooding, then I found a guide on an AI stack. Does ralox have net gain to looksmaxing?

 

[jefferson]

I was just going to take ralox at first because of some research on norwooding, then I found a guide on an AI stack. Does ralox have net gain to looksmaxing?

Pretty much just useful for gyno removal.

 

[RichardSpencel]

Pre letrozole @Extra Chromosome viewed women as creatures. Now he can't even acknolowledge them as feces

 

[x30001]

Pretty much just useful for gyno removal.

I've had minor gyno since I was like 12-13. Gonna need the surgery tbh. Ralox is definitely worth it if you've steroid induced gyno or gyno that hasn't fully formed yet. Can shrink the mammary gland substantially. It's the only SERM with increase selectivity to E receptors in the breast area. Strange why it isn't chosen ahead of Tamox for breast cancer issues. But yeah, Ralox is by far the best treatment for gyno if you haven't had it for years and years. 60mg per day for a set amount of days. (10ish days) then down to 10mg per day 'til the gland has shrunk. Actually method unlike heightmaxing. None of this info or advice will stop the hoardes of teenagers buying GHRPs though... Oh well, they'll learn when they run out of money and just grow to where their genetics allow them to. Looksmaxing should consist of ONLY working, applicable methods. I hate seeing teens be so naive and make bad decisions with substances. And for the people who say I just don't want people to grow tall, which I hear all the time. I don't care. I'm just trying to help people not make bad decisions. I'd love to see everyone who attempts to heightmax, heightmax perfectly to the "ideal" height, but it's just not a reality with this fucking MK677 stuff lol... Even gene modification wouldn't work because your genes determining bone growth are only expressed before your growth plates close and primarily during puberty.

Not even a time machine would help because you still have the same genes. You can maximise your potential adult height but can't break past genetic boundaries. People expect too much and get too disappointed and let "heightmaxing" consume them entirely. Just focus on maxing everything else seriously. And if you're <5'5 and in the early years of puberty then yeah, inject HGH and IGF1 til the cows come home and try reach 5'8 or something and then do the practical things like wearing shoe lifts etc.

 

[Slyfex8]

inject HGH and IGF1

Wait, hgh AND igf1 ?

Personally I have to blast the HGH it's my last chance, I think I'm defficient in growth hormone, my small height compared to my parents and the places where I store fat makes me think that (16.5yo, 5feet and 5inches)

 

[x30001]

Wait, hgh AND igf1 ?

Personally I have to blast the HGH it's my last chance, I think I'm defficient in growth hormone, my small size compared to my parents and the places where I store fat makes me think that (16.5yo, 5feet and 5inches)

It's your genes man. No point in taking anything since your growth will stop in 6-18months. Do what you want but there'll be no miracles so don't let the stress and disappointed send you into a spiral when you see minimal or no results after spending thousands on injections.

 

[jefferson]

What's your age and height?

look at the post u quoted boyo

 

[Slyfex8]

What's your age and height?

16.5yo, 5feet 5inches.

Full of estrogen probably because pubertal gynecomastia, and visibly fat storage in the thighs.

GH defficient probably because of fat accumulation in the calves and knees

Obviously on the rest of the body I'm lean af.

Father height: 5feet 10inches
Mother height 5feet 2 inches

 

[x30001]

It's your genes man. No point in taking anything since your growth will stop in 6-18months. Do what you want but there'll be no miracles so don't let the stress and disappointed send you into a spiral when you see minimal or no results after spending thousands on injections.

 

[jefferson]

16.5yo, 5feet 5inches.

Full of estrogen probably because pubertal gynecomastia, and visibly fat storage in the thighs.

GH defficient probably because of fat accumulation in the calves and knees

Obviously on the rest of the body I'm lean af.

Father height: 5feet 10inches
Mother height 5feet 2 inches

You're about as tall as I'd expect you to be at that age given your parents height. Probably not gh deficient. Doubtful you could afford hgh at that age also.

 

[x30001]

16.5yo, 5feet 5inches.

Full of estrogen probably because pubertal gynecomastia, and visibly fat storage in the thighs.

GH defficient probably because of fat accumulation in the calves and knees

Father height: 5feet 10inches
Mother height 5feet 2 inches

Mother's genes fucked you. My parents are both 5'7. Most people who messaged me about being short have had huge differences in the heights of their parents. Idk if that's correlation of causation

 

[Slyfex8]

Mother's genes fucked you. My parents are both 5'7. Most people who messaged me about being short have had huge differences in the heights of their parents. Idk if that's correlation of causation

Then you have to know that at 16 years old my father was around my height, and I think he was also full of estrogen tbh

I'm having trouble analyzing it, but I think he has a little non-puffy gynecomastia.

 

[Deleted member 2095]

AI on it’s own won’t do shit. You need HGH together with it. I have read multiple studies proving this.
Here is one example

Letrozole Monotherapy in Pre- and Early-Pubertal Boys Does Not Increase Adult Height

Background: Aromatase inhibitors (AIs) have been used in boys with idiopathic short stature (ISS) to promote growth despite the lack of actual data regarding treatment effect on adult height. In this study, we characterized adult heights and long-term ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[x30001]

Then you have to know that at 16 years old my father was around my height, and I think he was also full of estrogen tbh

Based of what? What makes you think your Dad had high estrogen at 16. Did he tell you or show blood tests from decades ago?

 

[Slyfex8]

Based of what? What makes you think your Dad had high estrogen at 16. Did he tell you or show blood tests from decades ago?

I'm having trouble analyzing it, but I think he has a little non-puffy gynecomastia.

 

[x30001]

AI on it’s own won’t do shit. You need HGH together with it. I have read multiple studies proving this.
Here is one example

Letrozole Monotherapy in Pre- and Early-Pubertal Boys Does Not Increase Adult Height

Background: Aromatase inhibitors (AIs) have been used in boys with idiopathic short stature (ISS) to promote growth despite the lack of actual data regarding treatment effect on adult height. In this study, we characterized adult heights and long-term ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I've read so much of this ncbi.nlm.nih.gov shite that I've had people send me articles from that site saying creatine increases DHT by 56% exactly. Exactly 56% increase in DHT by consuming any amount of creatine. Also been sent a pubmed page saying green tea increases testosterone. Green tea man, fucking green tea. Maybe just maybe pubmed isn't the gospel and the studies can be really misconstrued and relayed here with complete misinformation.

 

[Slyfex8]

tbh, despite the warnings I will probably try 2.5mg of letrozole ED, to try if I can handle it. I have to do my best to keep my plates at least a little open...

If I do that, I'll inject 2*10IU of HGH ED

 

[AspiringChad]

My tits are sore whenever I try to sleep

Minox and fin sides

Every fucking night

Get me rid of this gyno

 

[x30001]

I have puffy gyno and am 6'2. Jefferson has a small bit of gyno and is 6'3. It's up to you to accept that genetics are the overarching factor. I was tall compared to others at 5-6 years old. Estrogen has nothing to do with why you aren't tall and weren't tall growing up. It's out of your control but don't let that drive you insane and stop trying to look for some answer because the answer is that people are made up differently and some people got lucky with their genetics. Height is not a looksmax. You can't just usurp your genetic embodiment with some peptides. You can do your best to maximize whatever. Just don't be too obsessed with the heightmaxing stuff because it'll destroy you. The answer is "luck of genetics" if that makes sense. I never actively did anything to try and be tall. No one ever actively did something to "make" themselves short. If "short" was the new "tall" everyone would be trying to shrink themselves. It's all in vain and fucks you up mentally so just make the best of what you can control.

 

[jefferson]

tbh, despite the warnings I will probably try 2.5mg of letrozole ED, to try if I can handle it. I have to do my best to keep my plates at least a little open...

If I do that, I'll inject 2*10IU of HGH ED

and how tf are you going to afford to run 20ius of hgh per day? That's like $100usd per day minimum....

And if it's significantly cheaper than that you have bunk hgh

 

[jefferson]

My tits are sore whenever I try to sleep

Minox and fin sides

Every fucking night

Get me rid of this gyno

raloxifene

 

[x30001]

tbh, despite the warnings I will probably try 2.5mg of letrozole ED, to try if I can handle it. I have to do my best to keep my plates at least a little open...

If I do that, I'll inject 2*10IU of HGH ED

Rich Piana and Coach Trevor would be impressed.

 

[Slyfex8]

Rich Piana and Coach Trevor would be impressed.

Rather death than being smaller than your father

 

[x30001]

Rather death than being smaller than your father

You want to die shorter than your father by overdosing on GH (which is extremely hard)? This really is taking a toll on you mentally man. And you won't listen to what I say. Sure HGH is Human Growth Hormone. It's just a shame that all the youngins on here hear the name and think it'll make them grow taller in a linear fashion. I'll just leave you to it. Think I tried my best to give all the warnings and reality of outcome.

 

[AspiringChad]

You want to die shorter than your father by overdosing on GH (which is extremely hard)? This really is taking a toll on you mentally man. And you won't listen to what I say. Sure HGH is Human Growth Hormone. It's just a shame that all the youngins on here hear the name and think it'll make them grow taller in a linear fashion. I'll just leave you to it. Think I tried my best to give all the warnings and reality of outcome.

Consider yourself rich and aged 15-18

You have to change your height. Or at the very least attempt to.

What will you do?

 

[jefferson]

You want to die shorter than your father by overdosing on GH (which is extremely hard)? This really is taking a toll on you mentally man. And you won't listen to what I say. Sure HGH is Human Growth Hormone. It's just a shame that all the youngins on here hear the name and think it'll make them grow taller in a linear fashion. I'll just leave you to it. Think I tried my best to give all the warnings and reality of outcome.

There's also a good chance he'll get sold hcg instead of hgh which will cause his estrogen levels to go through the roof and then grow a pair of tits and fuse his growth plates.

Shady sellers of hgh sometimes sell you hcg instead because it will cause bloat like hgh so people think they got the real stuff.

 

[jefferson]

Consider yourself rich and aged 15-18

You have to change your height. Or at the very least attempt to.

What will you do?

I would use 6 uis of pharmacy grade hgh per day, nothing else. But I wasn't rich nor blackpilled at 15-18. And was tall anyways.