Two weeks post jaw surgery

[Slayerino]

Also, picking the nose is impossible now, since the maxilla sticks out so much, that I can't let my fingers slip in

I didn't get this one.

 

[GordonFreeman]

I didn't get this one.

I mean, the fingers don't fit through the nostrils, I can't pick my nose

 

[RazerGlazer]

I mean, the fingers don't fit through the nostrils, I can't pick my nose

can you talk with your mouth?

 

[GordonFreeman]

For your maxilla it was only bring down and forward, correct?

Yeah, no rotation, no grafts

can you talk with your mouth?

Yes, since the first day
I sound extremely dumb tho, worse than a complete mouth breather
I hope it's due to the swelling, because if not, I will probably rope, no jokes

 

[WannaBeA6]

why is the consultation free
what about the exams?

 

[Slayerullah]

Dont forget, once the straw is gone, the first bite needs to be female flesh

 

[GordonFreeman]

why is the consultation free
what about the exams?

Online is free, but if you want to talk to him face to face, you gotta pay ~$20

The exams are done 10 days before the surgery date

 

[WannaBeA6]

Online is free, but if you want to talk to him face to face, you gotta pay ~$20

The exams are done 10 days before the surgery date

Thank you for your answers dude, I now consider him for surgery too
With exams I meant the cephalometry and shit

I'm just kinda surprised about the price, 13k, is that in dollars? that's quite expensive for a 3rd world doctor, doctors in Italy for example charge the same

 

[Slayerino]

Thank you for your answers dude, I now consider him for surgery too
With exams I meant the cephalometry and shit

I'm just kinda surprised about the price, 13k, is that in dollars? that's quite expensive for a 3rd world doctor, doctors in Italy for example charge the same

Russia is 2nd world and he's raising his prices because of the countless autists from here that ask him countless autistic questions.

 

[WannaBeA6]

Russia is 2nd world and he's raising his prices because of the countless autists from here that ask him countless autistic questions.

there's little reason to go for him then if you can get the same with western european doctors for the same price

 

[RazerGlazer]

Last result from Andreischnev. I think he looks good.

You will also look good in 2-3 months OP, no worries.

 

[GordonFreeman]

I'm just kinda surprised about the price, 13k, is that in dollars? that's quite expensive for a 3rd world doctor, doctors

$13k is the estimated total price
The very surgery costs around $9k. The rest is braces, exams, etc

 

[GordonFreeman]

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Last result from Andreischnev. I think he looks good.

You will also look good in 2-3 months OP, no worries.

Is this a bimax or just genio?
Looks very good

 

[Deleted member 6310]

$13k is the estimated total price
The very surgery costs around $9k. The rest is braces, exams, etc

Did you need braces beforehand?

 

[RazerGlazer]

Is this a bimax or just genio?
Looks very good

Expansion of the upper jaw, trimax: orthognathic surgery and osteoplastic genioplasty.
9 months after surgery, bite photo in slides.

 

[GordonFreeman]

Did you need braces beforehand?

No, only afterwards

 

[Slayerino]

Expansion of the upper jaw, trimax

@TheLordMadness tbh decamax or death jfl!

 

[RazerGlazer]

@TheLordMadness tbh decamax or death jfl!

jfl, i dont even know what trimax supposed to be

 

[Subhuman trash]

~13k including braces and check ups

How many times did you have to fly to Russia?

 

[Subhuman trash]

I'm confused tbh
It looks good from the side, but not good from the front.
7mm of advancement was too much. My smile is weird af
I'm still swollen tho, who knows, mb it'll get better as the time passes
These pictures will give you a better understanding of what I'm talking about

Looks solid but yea I see how jaw is too forward compared to upper face 7mm sounds like a lot imo. Let the swelling go down. Did you get a ccw rotation?

 

[GordonFreeman]

jfl, i dont even know what trimax supposed to be

It's bimax + genioplasty

 

[Deleted member 7173]

Yes, since the first day
I sound extremely dumb tho, worse than a complete mouth breather
I hope it's due to the swelling, because if not, I will probably rope, no jokes

Is your voice improving? That's a pretty major concern

 

[GordonFreeman]

How many times did you have to fly to Russia?

I'm russian myself and live in the same city as the doc.
Afaik foreigners do everything in one visit.

 

[GordonFreeman]

Is your voice improving? That's a pretty major concern

Fuck no!!!
It's exactly the opposite. My voice is very bad now. The pitch got higher. I cannot speak with deep voice now.
I hope it'll get better, but I dunno, I'm losing all hopes

 

[GordonFreeman]

Looks solid but yea I see how jaw is too forward compared to upper face 7mm sounds like a lot imo. Let the swelling go down. Did you get a ccw rotation?

No rotation

 

[Subhuman trash]

No rotation

Was it reccomended?

 

[Deleted member 7173]

Fuck no!!!
It's exactly the opposite. My voice is very bad now. The pitch got higher. I cannot speak with deep voice now.
I hope it'll get better, but I dunno, I'm losing all hopes

If my voice changed after surgery I would probably rope tbh. Hope it gets better for you

 

[GordonFreeman]

Was it reccomended?

I had perfect occlusal plane before surgery

 

[baruch]

Dramatic improvement in your lips

the befores had your lips thin and slightly down turned.

the after had your lips full and the ends are neutral

 

[killer400]

hope youll get better but if feeling suicidal try a lefort 3 as last resort

 

[000]

Well, I dunno whether I regret signing up for this surgery, or I'm just not used to the new face, but after all I don't like what I see in the mirror.
It just looks off. I resemble a fucking dog.
While the mandible kicks ass, the maxilla is overdone. I hope that it's just swelling that is not completely gone, and that eventually it'll deflate and I will look more harmonious.

IRL I've been told that I was better looking before two times by two different people

I threw away lots of money, but I don't look better(mb even worse). I just look different

Now I need to save up for a zygomatic implant. One needs a very strong under eye support and very well developed, forward grown zygomas, in order to look harmonious with jaws that big.
That's why I look strange now.
I have what appears to be well developed jaws and a truly recessed midface.

What side effects I notice
1) my es ratio improved. I dunno why exactly, it's either because I don't chew and my massesters just shrunk, or because of the soft tissues being stretched. My zygomatic arch pops out now.
2) the bloat has gone. I always had round face, even at Auschwitz prisoner tier bf %. Now I'm somewhat defined.
3) wide ass mandible. I asked the surgeon for the maximal diastasis of the jaw angles. I dunno what kind of cut he made doing bsso, but it worked. I have noticeably wider bigonial distance now. Like Jaime Lannister tier.
4) the nose got wider and flatter, sad but true.
5) seems like scleral show has increased. My eyes appear bigger now.

I'll post the befores later
I just wanna figure out if I really look that odd or it's just bdd kicking in

 

[anti caking agents]

Im trying to plan surgeries here. Dont want to wake up with upturned nose because I didn't check everything with a previous patient.

Its unclear if GordonFreeman asked for his nose to become more upturned, or said he didn't care, or said he didn't want it upturned but it still came out that way.

Just ask for alair clinch. You can also 3D print a piece of your mouth and place it underneath you lip to see sort of how your nose would change with whatever advancement- Gunson does this. Any change in the maxilla +/- downgrafy/upgraft rotation etc will impact nose obviously.

@GordonFreeman Freeman Worrying that you cannot pick your nose though, never read anything like that. Have you talked to Andreishchev about it? Did you also ask him how many bimax/trimax surgeries he has done? Would be interesting to know.

 

[GordonFreeman]

Have you talked to Andreishchev about it?

Not yet, but I'm going to raise this question when we meet. Sounds silly tho

Did you also ask him how many bimax/trimax surgeries he has done

I didn't, but I know he operates almost every day.

 

[GordonFreeman]

I need your honest opinion
Do you think I have any resemblance to this guy?

 

[Deleted member 5912]

I need your honest opinion
Do you think I have any resemblance to this guy?


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the other guy looks retarded
yours looks amazing

 

[Deleted member 1849]

I need your honest opinion
Do you think I have any resemblance to this guy?


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no, you look good. he looks uncanny.

 

[Lawyer]

Did Andreischev offer you a different style of LeFort that would've kept the nose angle the same?

I'm pretty sure you can avoid the increase of alar base width and the rotation of the nose tip with a Horseshoe LeFort.

In the Horseshoe osteotomy the cut is made lower than in a normal LeFort 1.

Here you can see the differences between the two osteotomies:

 

[Deleted member 7776]

It takes time to heal bro wait it out trust it will get better




Bro i got a question do you know any surgery which can augment the zygomatic arch this much ?

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You went to Dr. Andreischev, correct?

 

[GordonFreeman]

You went to Dr. Andreischev, correct?

Yep

 

[Slayerino]

I'm pretty sure you can avoid the increase of alar base width and the rotation of the nose tip with a Horseshoe LeFort.

In the Horseshoe osteotomy the cut is made lower than in a normal LeFort 1.

Here you can see the differences between the two osteotomies:

What's the point? You want to advance as much maxilla as possible. If you do that cut, you'll end up looking like a negroid ape.

 

[Deleted member 2854]

I was told by my surgeon that it's common to feel weird about the result and feel down / depressed post-OP. Just re-evaluate in 2 - 3 months tbh.

 

[GordonFreeman]

I was told by my surgeon that it's common to feel weird about the result and feel down / depressed post-OP. Just re-evaluate in 2 - 3 months tbh.

Lifefuel ngl

 

[anti caking agents]

Not yet, but I'm going to raise this question when we meet. Sounds silly tho



I didn't, but I know he operates almost every day.

It is not a silly question - its an important loss of function mate that needs to be adressed 100%.

No you do not look anything like him. You have harmony and a natural look to your lower third. Further look how your bloat is disappearing and your ogee curve is subtly appearing and just going to get better from here on as more swelling disappears.

I was told by my surgeon that it's common to feel weird about the result and feel down / depressed post-OP. Just re-evaluate in 2 - 3 months tbh.

Same. He told me it is due to the "anaesthesia" but pretty sure its because people cant deal with bloat and get majorly depressed and that its just a way to make them feel better xD.

 

[baruch]

I was told by my surgeon that it's common to feel weird about the result and feel down / depressed post-OP. Just re-evaluate in 2 - 3 months tbh.

This sounds 100% right
Your after is much better.
looking at the before and after is inspiring as I too have short face.

 

[Deleted member 5746]

Im leaning towards this too. As the time passes, I start to accept my new face.
This problem is probably what every hardcore lookxmaxer will have to deal with.
You have to bury your former identity and reborn as a phoenix in a new guise.

Only sideways
WHAT I LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE SURGERY

Sorry for the shittiest quality, I literally have zero non anglefrauded, non staged, as is selfies since I got blackpilled.
These pictures are either screenshots from videos or pictures snapped in twilight with shaking hands.

У нас очень схожая форма челюсти и нижней части лица в целом, только у меня нос длиннее и более высокая переносица.
Also congrats on the surgery, after the swelling goes down you'll be solid 6psl, very lifefuel for me as I have similar lower third

 

[Deleted member 5746]

Wait holy shit that was you before hand?
JFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL nevermind
Very happy for you still though, insane ascension

 

[manletofpeace81]

hope you complement this with some serious gymmax you fucking chad, keep us informed about your new life (treatment of people, chicks and so on). congratulations!

 

[Pietrosiek]

Youre so fat man

 

[Deleted member 7776]

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Wait holy shit that was you before hand?
JFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL nevermind
Very happy for you still though, insane ascension

That jawline looks like shit, he barely has any ramus. He needs ramus lengthening to drop the gonials a bit.

 

[Deleted member 1849]

That jawline looks like shit, he barely has any ramus. He needs ramus lengthening to drop the gonials a bit.

wdym? he gonial in the after is great