What to do now? Need high iq orthotropicspilled users to review my plan

[SoonToAscend]

I am 17 now. Wore braces from 13 to 16 to fix clusterfuck of teeth. I now have recessed maxilla, mandible, overbite, low hyoid bone and tmjd. You can say I collected craniofacial problems like infinity stones

What should I do now? My plan is to widen my arch in a clinic to make space for growing 2 bottom wisdom teeth (upper ones got extracted), fix overbite using invisalign and move my face forward with thumbpulling.

My concerns: my roots are already damaged (braces damage teeth rooths 100% of the time) and so are gums. I am afraid moving them further with expanding arches and invisalign might cause tooth resorption. Scared AF. But TMJD will fucking kill me, possibly even before being ugly will.

This is a pic taken by an orthodontist after finishing my "treatment"

some more face pics: https://looksmax.org/threads/anyone...t-your-own-risk-might-induce-vomiting.533833/

Ngl the fact that the orthodontic cabal puts "straight teeth" over the development of the jaws is suifuel

 

[Deleted member 21084]

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I am 17 now. Wore braces from 13 to 16 to fix clusterfuck of teeth. I now have recessed maxilla, mandible, overbite, low hyoid bone and tmjd. You can say I collected craniofacial problems like infinity stones

What should I do now? My plan is to widen my arch in a clinic to make space for growing 2 bottom wisdom teeth (upper ones got extracted), fix overbite using invisalign and move my face forward with thumbpulling.

My concerns: my roots are already damaged (braces damage teeth rooths 100% of the time) and so are gums. I am afraid moving them further with expanding arches and invisalign might cause tooth resorption. Scared AF. But TMJD will fucking kill me, possibly even before being ugly will.

This is a pic taken by an orthodontist after finishing my "treatment"

View attachment 1802710some more face pics: https://looksmax.org/threads/anyone...t-your-own-risk-might-induce-vomiting.533833/

Ngl the fact that the orthodontic cabal puts "straight teeth" over the development of the jaws is suifuel

if you're not ugly try to betabuxx, if you are above4 betabuxx will actually work
truecel can't even get cheated on, unless he has millions of dollars

 

[SoonToAscend]

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if you're not ugly try to betabuxx, if you are above4 betabuxx will actually work
truecel can't even get cheated on, unless he has millions of dollars

Ye but I wanna fix my face not get laid rn

 

[SoonToAscend]

@deadlock you seem to be the most knowledgeable user on this forum about this topic

 

[SoonToAscend]

Dunno who else should I tag

 

[chadthundercuck]

You should see a psyhio and correct your physical asymmetries first The compression of bones in a bad posture causes the jaw to tilt for skull to be symmeterical.First correct the cause nigger then you should get braces and surgery that's the way.Not researching about your problem for hours instead of working for a solution

I am 17 now. Wore braces from 13 to 16 to fix clusterfuck of teeth. I now have recessed maxilla, mandible, overbite, low hyoid bone and tmjd. You can say I collected craniofacial problems like infinity stones

What should I do now? My plan is to widen my arch in a clinic to make space for growing 2 bottom wisdom teeth (upper ones got extracted), fix overbite using invisalign and move my face forward with thumbpulling.

My concerns: my roots are already damaged (braces damage teeth rooths 100% of the time) and so are gums. I am afraid moving them further with expanding arches and invisalign might cause tooth resorption. Scared AF. But TMJD will fucking kill me, possibly even before being ugly will.

This is a pic taken by an orthodontist after finishing my "treatment"

View attachment 1802710some more face pics: https://looksmax.org/threads/anyone...t-your-own-risk-might-induce-vomiting.533833/

Ngl the fact that the orthodontic cabal puts "straight teeth" over the development of the jaws is suifuel

 

[ChristianChad]

Ngl the fact that the orthodontic cabal puts "straight teeth" over the development of the jaws is suifuel

That's just how it commonly is in Orthodontics boyo, and most Orthodontists are just dental doctors (not the same thing) who took a few week specialisation course in Orthodontics and not actual Orthodontists who studied this shit properly, at least this is how it is in Israel (very few real Orthodontists), I figured out the hard way same as you.

 

[ChristianChad]

There's no way to widen your lower dental arch except MSDO/MMDO. Here's a post on it from a different thread:


"Midline Mandibular Distraction Osteogenesis/Mandibular Symphyseal Distraction osteogenesis.
It's SARPE but for the lower jaw, it also widens the chin.

Here it's done with SARPE on a 38 year old man:
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Before:
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After:
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On a teenager, before:
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After:
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[ChristianChad]

Also, somewhat similar situation, wore braces from 13 and 17 until 2 months ago (still 17) to fix crowding in upper palate which became apparent at age 12 and it stunted my upper jaw growth and probably lower jaw aswell (although I only put lower braces on lower
teeth at 15 or 16 can't remember) (I assume I already had small jaws in general, they could've at least tried to fix it but they are incompetent, although it's somewhat my fault because if I started treatment at 11 or 12 or even younger if my problems were detectable then than they could've used tooth-borne expanders to fix it or surgically implanted tooth-bone borne [autism speak for MARPE / MSE]/purely bone-borne expanders [autism speak for Transpalatal Distractors], now surgically implanted expanders are the only option at my age but when I was below 13 tooth-borne expanders could've been used).

Right now I don't have crowding visibly anymore because they supposedly "fixed" it, but because I had a (non-clinically) narrow maxilla which caused crowding in the first place and they didn't fix it I still have a narrow fucking palate and a (most likely) minimally grown maxilla because of the braces (most likely) inhibiting its growth, all this because they didn't use an actual expander and only put the teeth into place, now all my upper and lower teeth (had very slight crowding on lower teeth aswell, not to where a tooth was completely out of the correct alignment like on my upper palate but still) dent forward and I can bite an apple through a fence, because they "fixed" my problem by treating the visible dental issue and putting all the teeth into place and not the skeletal/jaw issue, this is incredibly common in Orthodontics.

Now my teeth dent forward; especially my upper (because they didn't add any space with an expander or even premolar/molar extractions for the teeth to go when they're put in-line with the other. I disagree with premolar/molar extractions but that is literally just the standard procedure and just shows the amount of incompetence a lot of "Orthodontists" have, if my palate was really narrow and they continued forcing the teeth in-line with the other teeth and my teeth continued tipping forward they would've been unable to get any blood flow and the alevolar bone would've literally fractured at some point. A real Orthodontist explained this to me and said that that is pure medical malpractice. At least I didn't get any extraction though, lmao, that would've been permanent. Also, I am not completeley against wisdom teeth extractions and I'll touch on this), I have a narrow palate/dental arches in general with only 6 teeth showing well when I smile, large buccal corridors and a crossbite.

I want to do MSE in the next 2 years, and in the further future MSDO/MMDO for lower jaw/dental arch and further further future probably do even more expansion in upper jaw and increasing dental arch further via SARPE/EASE procedure/Transpalatal Distractor. And some day I'll probably get Lefort 1 and Genioplasty.
MSE I want to do as soon as possible because as you get older it's not even a guarantee that the sutures split and it's more effective when younger. All the other things I mentioned either surgically cut the bone or cut the sutures.
This is a very poor and limited reply on my part, I'm just pretty tired, sorry.

 

[ChristianChad]

If the teeth are causing you pain just extract them. Im not particularly against Wisdom Teeth extraction, this is very different then extracting molars, premolars, canines etc. most people have all of their Wisdom Teeth extracted (ask your parents they probably extracted them) and some aren't even born with them.

Premolar/molar extractions is a very different thing then Wisdom Teeth extraction.

Although if you can make more space for them to erupt to that's great I suppose.


Did you have teeth extractions done before?

 

[mvp2v1]

There's no way to widen your lower dental arch except MSDO/MMDO. Here's a post on it from a different thread:


"Midline Mandibular Distraction Osteogenesis/Mandibular Symphyseal Distraction osteogenesis.
It's SARPE but for the lower jaw, it also widens the chin.

Here it's done with SARPE on a 38 year old man:
View attachment 1766766
Before:
View attachment 1766768
After:
View attachment 1766769

On a teenager, before:
View attachment 1766763
After:
View attachment 1766762 "

IMDO does. also it can expand naturally by simply maintaining a butterfly bite

 

[mvp2v1]

Hard mewing, thumbpulling, chintucking, + Belt pulling/Facepulling, chewing

Growth hormone, Fix tongue ties, NCR, Expanders and facepullers attached to them.

This is what I have so far with regards to orthotropicsMaxing.

 

[ChristianChad]

IMDO does. also it can expand naturally by simply maintaining a butterfly bite

You're right, but there's no way he's getting IMDO.
Do you know anything about MSDO availability?

 

[ChristianChad]

Hard mewing, thumbpulling, chintucking, + Belt pulling/Facepulling, chewing

Any results with these?

 

[mvp2v1]

Any results with these?

I just started but I can DM you crazy results which use some of those methods.

 

[ChristianChad]

I just started but I can DM you crazy results which use some of those methods.

Please do man!

Also wanted to ask you, have you had tongue tie release by chance?

 

[mvp2v1]

Please do man!

Also wanted to ask you, have you had tongue tie release by chance?

ok.

no I have not my airway is a subhuman 3mm and some ortho snake claimed getting tongue tie release would be dangerous. I'm yet to see any validity to this claim, so I'm going to go for the tongue tie and use CPAP for sleep.

 

[ChristianChad]

ok.

no I have not my airway is a subhuman 3mm and some ortho snake claimed getting tongue tie release would be dangerous. I'm yet to see any validity to this claim, so I'm going to go for the tongue tie and use CPAP for sleep.

I heard you need to do proper exercises before and after to not get tongue tied again,got this from vids of Mew talking about it and comments on those vids.

 

[mvp2v1]

I heard you need to do proper exercises before and after to not get tongue tied again,got this from vids of Mew talking about it and comments on those vids.

yes thats true. idk what they are yet though

 

[SoonToAscend]

Did you have teeth extractions done before?

2 upper wisdom teeth

 

[SoonToAscend]

yes thats true. idk what they are yet though

Ye I know that even not watching these videos in particular. My sister had to do exercises before and after, it was quite painful I think (I've heard her crying doing these)

 

[SoonToAscend]

IMDO does. also it can expand naturally by simply maintaining a butterfly bite

What is a butterfly bite

 

[SoonToAscend]

You should see a psyhio and correct your physical asymmetries first The compression of bones in a bad posture causes the jaw to tilt for skull to be symmeterical.First correct the cause nigger then you should get braces and surgery that's the way.Not researching about your problem for hours instead of working for a solution

What physical assymetries do you see?
I indeed have one leg shorter than the other. It caused my knee pains and tight quad in the past, but I've seen a doctor, he recommended my stretching, I did and it went away.

 

[SoonToAscend]

There's no way to widen your lower dental arch except MSDO/MMDO. Here's a post on it from a different thread:


"Midline Mandibular Distraction Osteogenesis/Mandibular Symphyseal Distraction osteogenesis.
It's SARPE but for the lower jaw, it also widens the chin.

Here it's done with SARPE on a 38 year old man:
View attachment 1766766
Before:
View attachment 1766768
After:
View attachment 1766769

On a teenager, before:
View attachment 1766763
After:
View attachment 1766762 "

Shouldn't lower arch follow upper arch expansion? If this was not the case then every person who got palate expander would be left with big upper arch and lower arch, and that doesn't seem to happen, since lower teeth are supposed fit into upper teeth

 

[SoonToAscend]

Hard mewing, thumbpulling, chintucking, + Belt pulling/Facepulling, chewing

Growth hormone, Fix tongue ties, NCR, Expanders and facepullers attached to them.

This is what I have so far with regards to orthotropicsMaxing.

Is this your stack or do you recommend this stack to me?

 

[SoonToAscend]

>This is a very poor and limited reply on my part, I'm just pretty tired, sorry.

Bro you wrote more words in this single reply than there are in all the other in this thread combined, it ain't "poor and limited"

 

[SoonToAscend]

You're right, but there's no way he's getting IMDO.
Do you know anything about MSDO availability?

Are all these 4-5 letter acronyms just surgeries?

My search engine is set to Poland so sometimes it just shows me wood making byproduct.

 

[SoonToAscend]

I just started but I can DM you crazy results which use some of those methods.

Can you DM me too?

 

[ChristianChad]

Shouldn't lower arch follow upper arch expansion? If this was not the case then every person who got palate expander would be left with big upper arch and lower arch, and that doesn't seem to happen, since lower teeth are supposed fit into upper teeth

That was almost word for word my question like 2 months ago lol.


Apparently your lower dental arch doesn't change when getting upper palatal expansion (I've never seen anything stating the contrary, logically makes sense aswell), but that's not a common concern from what I've seen (upper dental arch being significantly bigger then lower post treatment) Probably not noticed unless there's a lot of expansion done.

 

[ChristianChad]

What is a butterfly bite

All the lower teeth being able to come into contact with all upper teeth (I think)

Its not really a medical term

 

[ChristianChad]

Are all these 4-5 letter acronyms just surgeries?

My search engine is set to Poland so sometimes it just shows me wood making byproduct.

Guess I'm lucky I live in a country with enchantment table runes for letters
Add "surgery" or "expansion" at the end.

 

[ChristianChad]

Ye I know that even not watching these videos in particular. My sister had to do exercises before and after, it was quite painful I think (I've heard her crying doing these)

How long she do this before and after release? Thank you

 

[PYT]

How would braces cause you tmjd?

 

[SoonToAscend]

That was almost word for word my question like 2 months ago lol.


Apparently your lower dental arch doesn't change when getting upper palatal expansion (I've never seen anything stating the contrary, logically makes sense aswell), but that's not a common concern from what I've seen (upper dental arch being significantly bigger then lower post treatment) Probably not noticed unless there's a lot of expansion done.

Wouldn't the upper arch being larger than the lower one cause problems, since it's the upper arch that holds the lower arch together?

 

[SoonToAscend]

All the lower teeth being able to come into contact with all upper teeth (I think)

Its not really a medical term

Over for badocclusioncels

 

[SoonToAscend]

How long she do this before and after release? Thank you

She said before none, after 2 weeks of stretching by herself and massaging by my mom. Massaging was painful I think because I've heard wailing a bit back then.

 

[SoonToAscend]

How would braces cause you tmjd?

Preventing maxilla and mandible for growing forwards. Mandible too far back puts termomandibular joint in a unnatural position causing the mandible to slip in and out of it.

 

[Mr.Proper]

It IS possible to expand lower teeth arch, but it will be, well, expansion by moving teeth within bone. How far you can move them - depends on bone density there and gums health. Corticotomy assist in bone remodeling (bone kinda grows in direction of moving and becomes thinner on opposite side, "follows" teeth movement in the ideal case) and allows for significantly wider expansion than naturally possible and with less problems afterwards.

 

[mvp2v1]

Is this your stack or do you recommend this stack to me?

It’s everything I know about so far to max mewing gains

 

[mvp2v1]

All the lower teeth being able to come into contact with all upper teeth (I think)

Its not really a medical term

In or near contact. Probably best to simply keep it near. Problem is you don’t want to develop clenching.

 

[mvp2v1]

It IS possible to expand lower teeth arch, but it will be, well, expansion by moving teeth within bone. How far you can move them - depends on bone density there and gums health. Corticotomy assist in bone remodeling (bone kinda grows in direction of moving and becomes thinner on opposite side, "follows" teeth movement in the ideal case) and allows for significantly wider expansion than naturally possible and with less problems afterwards.

Corticotomy assist in bone remodeling

What do u mean by this?

 

[SoonToAscend]

It’s everything I know about so far to max mewing gains

Do y'all think taking off retainer and mewing will cause relapse?

 

[SoonToAscend]

In or near contact. Probably best to simply keep it near. Problem is you don’t want to develop clenching.

I feel like it could come back to bite me with my tmjd

 

[ChristianChad]

It IS possible to expand lower teeth arch, but it will be, well, expansion by moving teeth within bone. How far you can move them - depends on bone density there and gums health. Corticotomy assist in bone remodeling (bone kinda grows in direction of moving and becomes thinner on opposite side, "follows" teeth movement in the ideal case) and allows for significantly wider expansion than naturally possible and with less problems afterwards.

Wow, very interesting, I have never heard of this before.

Are you talking about "Dentoalveolar Distraction Osteogenesis"?

Or is this just something within the same realm?

 

[ChristianChad]

Do y'all think taking off retainer and mewing will cause relapse?

I can't recommend this unless you are literally 100% effort 24/7 into Mew shit.

 

[Mr.Proper]

Wow, very interesting, I have never heard of this before.

Are you talking about "Dentoalveolar Distraction Osteogenesis"?
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Or is this just something within the same realm?

Not exactly, but similar. People say it's not too painful, but it for sure looks like a bloody mess

Spoiler: Actual cuts

 

[SoonToAscend]

I can't recommend this unless you are literally 100% effort 24/7 into Mew shit.

Ye I think it's just over for treated-even-once-orthodontically-cels

 

[SoonToAscend]

Not exactly, but similar. People say it's not too painful, but it for sure looks like a bloody mess

Spoiler: Actual cuts

Wouldn't literally sliced up gums
a. make teeth weaker and easier to fall out
b. make you look like a goddamn monster
?

 

[ChristianChad]

Not exactly, but similar. People say it's not too painful, but it for sure looks like a bloody mess

Spoiler: Actual cuts

Thank you for this. This is kinda revolutionary for me tbh, I thought there is literally no way for any significant dental movement without severe issues to Dentoalveolar health and just general impossibility of this after the age 13 (16 max, dental movement in adults with tooth-borne expanders is RARE).
Seems similar to usage of cortipuncture to loosen the Midpalatal suture when doing MARPE.

Although I'm thinking of tooth-borne expanders and not braces, in adults braces; Invisilign sometimes work somewhat.
But can Corticomy with braces really be used to "expand" the dental arch as you said (for example to expand enough to create enough space for wisdom teeth)? New bone doesn't generate at that age simply with something like braces and space doesn't come out of nowhere (unless there is somehow alveolar bone being generated(?))

 

[mvp2v1]

Do y'all think taking off retainer and mewing will cause relapse?

Didn’t for me