Ideal ratios for ethnic (black) men

[Birdcell]

I don't know what to say about that. I remember when I had short face syndrome in the mirror it was hard for me to identify this but when my doctor took pics with me with a professional camera I immediately saw my flaws.

Which camera bro

 

[CristianT]

Which camera bro

idk exactly but i remember it was a big ass professional camera.

 

[AscendingHero]

This isn't actually true, just wait for my thread I guess. I'll explain it the best I can.

Drop the threads bro

we miss em, i know i dearly do

 

[Deleted member 18372]

African ESR: (46 - .51) What dafuq .51??? Isn't that dolphin tier???? Nope, not for blacks.

Mukasa (.51 ESR) Beckford (.5 ESR) Staniel Ferreira(.5 ESR)

Give a White, Asian, or Indian this ESR and....

Redditor (.51 ESR) Model Roberto Sipos(.5 ESR)

my this part is 1:2.049 (professional biometric photo) yet I don't have any zygos. Maybe it's lacking forward projection? I have a slightly recessed chin so maybe it's not pulling skin enough?

(my IPD is fine btw, distance between eyes are almost same as eye length)

 

[Korea]

my this part is 1:2.049 (professional biometric photo) yet I don't have any zygos. Maybe it's lacking forward projection? I have a slightly recessed chin so maybe it's not pulling skin enough?

(my IPD is fine btw, distance between eyes are almost same as eye length)

Chin barely effects getting hollow cheeks.

Your ESR suggests that you might have slightly below avg zygomatic width, assuming your IPD is fine.

What is your Zygomatic Width?

 

[Deleted member 18372]

Chin barely effects getting hollow cheeks.

Your ESR suggests that you might have slightly below avg zygomatic width, assuming your IPD is fine.

What is your Zygomatic Width?

I don't have calipers so I tried a bunch of doors and my hands in random combinations, It's somewhere between 13.6 and 14.2. Yeah not very precise unfortunately.

 

[Deleted member 18372]

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[Deleted member 18372]

Your ESR suggests that you might have slightly below avg zygomatic width

but why do above examples have mogger zygos with 1.99 if I have below average with 2.049 I really don't get it.

 

[Korea]

I don't have calipers so I tried a bunch of doors and my hands in random combinations, It's somewhere between 13.6 and 14.2. Yeah not very precise unfortunately.

Hmm, yea, your zygos are below avg in width. Only by a few mm tho.

but why do above examples have mogger zygos with 1.99 if I have below average with 2.049 I really don't get it.

You mean FWHR? You might lack both lateral and forward cheekbone growth.

 

[Deleted member 18372]

Hmm, yea, your zygos are below avg in width. Only by a few mm tho.

You mean FWHR? You might lack both lateral and forward cheekbone growth.

no I meant this by 1.99/2.049 but yeah I guess it's due to bonelessness thank you for clearing it up.

 

[Korea]

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no I meant this by 1.99/2.049 but yeah I guess it's due to bonelessness thank you for clearing it up.

Ohh, those are just the 2 measurements that are to be divided.

Meaning his ESR is .51 Is zygomatic width is likely above average.

 

[Deleted member 18436]

a persons rating is purely based on 3 factors

jaw, eyes lips everything else doesn't matter we can talk about perfection all we want but if you have 3 good factors it's enough. This is too much autism

 

[Korea]

a persons rating is purely based on 3 factors

jaw, eyes lips everything else doesn't matter we can talk about perfection all we want but if you have 3 good factors it's enough. This is too much autism

I pretty much agree with you, except I think the nose & chin hold importance too.

No one will be perfect, an 99.9% of people wont even come close.

Obsessing to become something unachievable is too toxic, and just retarded.

 

[Deleted member 18372]

a persons rating is purely based on 3 factors

jaw, eyes lips everything else doesn't matter we can talk about perfection all we want but if you have 3 good factors it's enough. This is too much autism

JFLing at you so hard with my jew nose. I would've been in an ivy league slaying asians if this shit didn't exist. It made me introvert cuck.

I honestly can't believe no one cares about nose in this forum. In Turkey ( ) it's like the most important thing.

JAW > NOSE > EYE only 3 you need.

 

[TheCopingBlade]

@Korea, you used to have a thread on nose shape, chin and eye shape. Where did it go I can't find it, but yet again I'm pretty shit at navigating this website lol.

 

[Gurthee_Dong]

As a Mexican man, I'm part subhuman native and European conquistador cuh

 

[Racky]

African ESR: (46 - .51) What dafuq .51??? Isn't that dolphin tier???? Nope, not for blacks.

I know I only provided white guys and said Indians, and Asians will suffer from this too. That's because the typical Asian/Indian Skull has fairly wide cheekbones allowing for their standard averageness to fall within the Caucasian line. Africans tend to have to most high-set cheekbones, but not the biggest.

but also, one flaw of ESR is that it doesn’t take into account PFL. Would it be possible that blacks can simply generally get away with higher ESR because they generally have higher PFL which prevents from looking like a dolphin? But if one has 28 mm PFL only, shouldn’t he use Caucasian standards for ESR instead?

Mukasa turns into a dolphin with lower PFL but same ESR :

here reduced while trying to maintain the same PFL to height :

same for that other example

There should be an alternative to ES ratio that takes PFL into account.

 

[tyronelite]

but also, one flaw of ESR is that it doesn’t take into account PFL. Would it be possible that blacks can simply generally get away with higher ESR because they generally have higher PFL which prevents from looking like a dolphin? But if one has 28 mm PFL only, shouldn’t he use Caucasian standards for ESR instead?

Mukasa turns into a dolphin with lower PFL but same ESR :
View attachment 1749859View attachment 1749860
here reduced while trying to maintain the same PFL to height :
View attachment 1749872

same for that other example
View attachment 1749884View attachment 1749885

There should be an alternative to ES ratio that takes PFL into account.

Fuckk wide PFL is so important

 

[Debetro]

 

[PrisonPlanetLive]

TLDR: Buy a mm caliper to measure your ratios dear lord never use pictures unless they're professionally taken, also if you're black, indian, asian etc. don't use Caucasian ratios.

It has come to my attention that a lot of P.O.C are measuring their ratios based of the Caucasian studies. Also, 99% of you are measuring your ratios based on smartphone selfies, Blasphemy.

First I want to address a common misconception that a smartphone using the back camera if sufficient, but in reality it's not. 99% of phones are equiped with Wide-Angle or Ultra-Wide(AKA the demons of portraiture). I'll list the most common phones using these lenses.

Apple: iPhone XR, iPhone 6(All variants), iPhone 7(All Variants), iPhone 8(All Variants), iPhone 11, iPhone 12(+mini), iPhone 13(+mini).
Google: Pixel 3(All Variants), Pixel 4a, Pixel 5(All Variants), Pixel 6.

All of the above phones are only equipped with a Wide-Angle Lens, or an Ultra-Wide Angle Lens. If you've used thses pictures to measure your ratios, they aren't accurate AT ALL.

Pretty much all of the 2019 and later iPhones and Pixels have a Telephoto Lens. Here's the list.
Apple: iPhone X, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone 11 Pro(+Pro Max), iPhone 12 Pro(+Pro Max), iPhone 13 Pro(+max).
Google: Pixel 6 Pro.

If you used the Telephoto Lens these phones than your ratios hold decent merit and are somewhat accurate, but I'm really against using smartphone photos for ratios.

I SHOULD'NT HAVE TO SPEAK ABOUT SELFIES.

So why are these lenses so bad for portraiture???

You are all fammiliar with Lens distortion cause by too close length + bad cam specs, but have you ever heard of
Radial Distortion???

There are 3 types of Radial Distortion, but only 2 are relevant to the topic (Barrel distortion and Pincushion distortion)

View attachment 1529430

These types of distortions are practically impossbile to avoid with Wide-Angle & Ultra-Wide Angle Lenses. This why why every model photographer has 200MM Telephoto Lenses, because they have no distortion.

Alright, now I'm sure a lot of you are relieved to see how shit cameras are. Some people now wonder...What's the truth what do I look like.

Answer is....The Mirror. Yes, this is exactly what you look like. Now for "How Attractive am I?" is up to your self perception.

Part 2: Why P.O.C should'nt be using Caucasian ratios? I thought this was obvious...

The main reason why you can't use ratios for the other race is simply because they do not apply to you. Saying this, if you live in a Western County, it will benefit to have some of the key ratios for harmony(I will post them).

African, Asian,and Caucasian Facial Differences. Don't panic I'll summarize this soon.

Overall with such facial differences, different ratios must be used. So I used about 50 different Faces of African, Asian, and Indian to create more ideal ratios for the face. I'll tell you now most do not "totally" change, ever so slighty makes all the difference thought.

Part 3: Ratio Time

African ESR: (46 - .51) What dafuq .51??? Isn't that dolphin tier???? Nope, not for blacks.View attachment 1529459View attachment 1529462View attachment 1529464
Mukasa (.51 ESR) Beckford (.5 ESR) Staniel Ferreira(.5 ESR)

Give a White, Asian, or Indian this ESR and....

View attachment 1529468View attachment 1529472
Redditor (.51 ESR) Model Roberto Sipos(.5 ESR)

I know I only provided white guys and said Indians, and Asians will suffer from this too. That's because the typical Asian/Indian Skull has fairly wide cheekbones allowing for their standard averageness to fall within the Caucasian line. Africans tend to have to most high-set cheekbones, but not the biggest.

FWHR 1.8 - 2.01 (This goes for any race). Anything too high yields a brute/ogre appearance and totally f*cks harmony
Measured like this.
View attachment 1529481

Mouth to Nose Ratio (1.3 - 1.6 excluding Asians) (Typical being 1.4-1.6)
View attachment 1529490View attachment 1529498
This is another ratio that's being misused by P.O.C, and generally everyone.

The reason why 1.3 - 1.6 is fair because not only do men on avg. have wider noses, but P.O.C (Primarilly Africans and Indians) have wider noses. Now I'm not giving anyone a pass due to their race, but even Chico has only a 1.32 - 1.34(Pic Variation) Mouth to Nose ratio, and it doesn't detract from harmony.

Lower/Full Face Ratio is the same (0.62+)View attachment 1529500

Midface Ratio is rougly the same, slightly altered for wider IPD of Africans(Same for Indians & Asians) (.94 - 1.15)

View attachment 1529503View attachment 1529509
Mukasa(1.14)
While .94 and 1.14 doesn't really mess with harmony, closer to 1:1 is perfect.


Lower to Upper Lip Ratio (1.3 - 2 Excluding Asians, they need the standard 1.62)
View attachment 1529519
Since Blacks and Indians tend to have fuller lips they are allowed to slight stray from the "Golden Proportion", but anything below 1.3 is D*ck Sucking L*ps...sorry
View attachment 1529522View attachment 1529524
^^^This is BAD (1.26).
Mukasa at 1.43 amazing

Bizygomatic to Bigonial Width ( 80-90%, Same for everyone)

View attachment 1529529
This is really important I already made a thread why

Chin to Philtrum Ratio (2 - 2.5, Same for everyone)
View attachment 1529534View attachment 1529537

Anything over 2.6 = Crimson Chin, anything below 2 is likely recessed or Cart Titan Philtrum

All of the angles (Goinial, Canthal Tilt, Cervicomental etc etc. all remain the same)

Someone already made a thread with the ideal angles. (Thank god).

That's it (After writing this, I realize there isn't much salvation for the Asian Race, this was not my intentions and I'll update this if I missed something, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.)

TLDR: Buy a mm caliper to measure your ratios dear lord never use pictures unless they're professionally taken, also if you're black, indian, asian etc. don't use Caucasian ratios.

It has come to my attention that a lot of P.O.C are measuring their ratios based of the Caucasian studies. Also, 99% of you are measuring your ratios based on smartphone selfies, Blasphemy.

First I want to address a common misconception that a smartphone using the back camera if sufficient, but in reality it's not. 99% of phones are equiped with Wide-Angle or Ultra-Wide(AKA the demons of portraiture). I'll list the most common phones using these lenses.

Apple: iPhone XR, iPhone 6(All variants), iPhone 7(All Variants), iPhone 8(All Variants), iPhone 11, iPhone 12(+mini), iPhone 13(+mini).
Google: Pixel 3(All Variants), Pixel 4a, Pixel 5(All Variants), Pixel 6.

All of the above phones are only equipped with a Wide-Angle Lens, or an Ultra-Wide Angle Lens. If you've used thses pictures to measure your ratios, they aren't accurate AT ALL.

Pretty much all of the 2019 and later iPhones and Pixels have a Telephoto Lens. Here's the list.
Apple: iPhone X, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone 11 Pro(+Pro Max), iPhone 12 Pro(+Pro Max), iPhone 13 Pro(+max).
Google: Pixel 6 Pro.

If you used the Telephoto Lens these phones than your ratios hold decent merit and are somewhat accurate, but I'm really against using smartphone photos for ratios.

I SHOULD'NT HAVE TO SPEAK ABOUT SELFIES.

So why are these lenses so bad for portraiture???

You are all fammiliar with Lens distortion cause by too close length + bad cam specs, but have you ever heard of
Radial Distortion???

There are 3 types of Radial Distortion, but only 2 are relevant to the topic (Barrel distortion and Pincushion distortion)

View attachment 1529430

These types of distortions are practically impossbile to avoid with Wide-Angle & Ultra-Wide Angle Lenses. This why why every model photographer has 200MM Telephoto Lenses, because they have no distortion.

Alright, now I'm sure a lot of you are relieved to see how shit cameras are. Some people now wonder...What's the truth what do I look like.

Answer is....The Mirror. Yes, this is exactly what you look like. Now for "How Attractive am I?" is up to your self perception.

Part 2: Why P.O.C should'nt be using Caucasian ratios? I thought this was obvious...

The main reason why you can't use ratios for the other race is simply because they do not apply to you. Saying this, if you live in a Western County, it will benefit to have some of the key ratios for harmony(I will post them).

African, Asian,and Caucasian Facial Differences. Don't panic I'll summarize this soon.

Overall with such facial differences, different ratios must be used. So I used about 50 different Faces of African, Asian, and Indian to create more ideal ratios for the face. I'll tell you now most do not "totally" change, ever so slighty makes all the difference thought.

Part 3: Ratio Time

African ESR: (46 - .51) What dafuq .51??? Isn't that dolphin tier???? Nope, not for blacks.View attachment 1529459View attachment 1529462View attachment 1529464
Mukasa (.51 ESR) Beckford (.5 ESR) Staniel Ferreira(.5 ESR)

Give a White, Asian, or Indian this ESR and....

View attachment 1529468View attachment 1529472
Redditor (.51 ESR) Model Roberto Sipos(.5 ESR)

I know I only provided white guys and said Indians, and Asians will suffer from this too. That's because the typical Asian/Indian Skull has fairly wide cheekbones allowing for their standard averageness to fall within the Caucasian line. Africans tend to have to most high-set cheekbones, but not the biggest.

FWHR 1.8 - 2.01 (This goes for any race). Anything too high yields a brute/ogre appearance and totally f*cks harmony
Measured like this.
View attachment 1529481

Mouth to Nose Ratio (1.3 - 1.6 excluding Asians) (Typical being 1.4-1.6)
View attachment 1529490View attachment 1529498
This is another ratio that's being misused by P.O.C, and generally everyone.

The reason why 1.3 - 1.6 is fair because not only do men on avg. have wider noses, but P.O.C (Primarilly Africans and Indians) have wider noses. Now I'm not giving anyone a pass due to their race, but even Chico has only a 1.32 - 1.34(Pic Variation) Mouth to Nose ratio, and it doesn't detract from harmony.

Lower/Full Face Ratio is the same (0.62+)View attachment 1529500

Midface Ratio is rougly the same, slightly altered for wider IPD of Africans(Same for Indians & Asians) (.94 - 1.15)

View attachment 1529503View attachment 1529509
Mukasa(1.14)
While .94 and 1.14 doesn't really mess with harmony, closer to 1:1 is perfect.


Lower to Upper Lip Ratio (1.3 - 2 Excluding Asians, they need the standard 1.62)
View attachment 1529519
Since Blacks and Indians tend to have fuller lips they are allowed to slight stray from the "Golden Proportion", but anything below 1.3 is D*ck Sucking L*ps...sorry
View attachment 1529522View attachment 1529524
^^^This is BAD (1.26).
Mukasa at 1.43 amazing

Bizygomatic to Bigonial Width ( 80-90%, Same for everyone)

View attachment 1529529
This is really important I already made a thread why

Chin to Philtrum Ratio (2 - 2.5, Same for everyone)
View attachment 1529534View attachment 1529537

Anything over 2.6 = Crimson Chin, anything below 2 is likely recessed or Cart Titan Philtrum

All of the angles (Goinial, Canthal Tilt, Cervicomental etc etc. all remain the same)

Someone already made a thread with the ideal angles. (Thank god).

That's it (After writing this, I realize there isn't much salvation for the Asian Race, this was not my intentions and I'll update this if I missed something, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.)

 

[PrisonPlanetLive]

TLDR: Buy a mm caliper to measure your ratios dear lord never use pictures unless they're professionally taken, also if you're black, indian, asian etc. don't use Caucasian ratios.

It has come to my attention that a lot of P.O.C are measuring their ratios based of the Caucasian studies. Also, 99% of you are measuring your ratios based on smartphone selfies, Blasphemy.

First I want to address a common misconception that a smartphone using the back camera if sufficient, but in reality it's not. 99% of phones are equiped with Wide-Angle or Ultra-Wide(AKA the demons of portraiture). I'll list the most common phones using these lenses.

Apple: iPhone XR, iPhone 6(All variants), iPhone 7(All Variants), iPhone 8(All Variants), iPhone 11, iPhone 12(+mini), iPhone 13(+mini).
Google: Pixel 3(All Variants), Pixel 4a, Pixel 5(All Variants), Pixel 6.

All of the above phones are only equipped with a Wide-Angle Lens, or an Ultra-Wide Angle Lens. If you've used thses pictures to measure your ratios, they aren't accurate AT ALL.

Pretty much all of the 2019 and later iPhones and Pixels have a Telephoto Lens. Here's the list.
Apple: iPhone X, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone 11 Pro(+Pro Max), iPhone 12 Pro(+Pro Max), iPhone 13 Pro(+max).
Google: Pixel 6 Pro.

If you used the Telephoto Lens these phones than your ratios hold decent merit and are somewhat accurate, but I'm really against using smartphone photos for ratios.

I SHOULD'NT HAVE TO SPEAK ABOUT SELFIES.

So why are these lenses so bad for portraiture???

You are all fammiliar with Lens distortion cause by too close length + bad cam specs, but have you ever heard of
Radial Distortion???

There are 3 types of Radial Distortion, but only 2 are relevant to the topic (Barrel distortion and Pincushion distortion)

View attachment 1529430

These types of distortions are practically impossbile to avoid with Wide-Angle & Ultra-Wide Angle Lenses. This why why every model photographer has 200MM Telephoto Lenses, because they have no distortion.

Alright, now I'm sure a lot of you are relieved to see how shit cameras are. Some people now wonder...What's the truth what do I look like.

Answer is....The Mirror. Yes, this is exactly what you look like. Now for "How Attractive am I?" is up to your self perception.

Part 2: Why P.O.C should'nt be using Caucasian ratios? I thought this was obvious...

The main reason why you can't use ratios for the other race is simply because they do not apply to you. Saying this, if you live in a Western County, it will benefit to have some of the key ratios for harmony(I will post them).

African, Asian,and Caucasian Facial Differences. Don't panic I'll summarize this soon.

Overall with such facial differences, different ratios must be used. So I used about 50 different Faces of African, Asian, and Indian to create more ideal ratios for the face. I'll tell you now most do not "totally" change, ever so slighty makes all the difference thought.

Part 3: Ratio Time

African ESR: (46 - .51) What dafuq .51??? Isn't that dolphin tier???? Nope, not for blacks.View attachment 1529459View attachment 1529462View attachment 1529464
Mukasa (.51 ESR) Beckford (.5 ESR) Staniel Ferreira(.5 ESR)

Give a White, Asian, or Indian this ESR and....

View attachment 1529468View attachment 1529472
Redditor (.51 ESR) Model Roberto Sipos(.5 ESR)

I know I only provided white guys and said Indians, and Asians will suffer from this too. That's because the typical Asian/Indian Skull has fairly wide cheekbones allowing for their standard averageness to fall within the Caucasian line. Africans tend to have to most high-set cheekbones, but not the biggest.

FWHR 1.8 - 2.01 (This goes for any race). Anything too high yields a brute/ogre appearance and totally f*cks harmony
Measured like this.
View attachment 1529481

Mouth to Nose Ratio (1.3 - 1.6 excluding Asians) (Typical being 1.4-1.6)
View attachment 1529490View attachment 1529498
This is another ratio that's being misused by P.O.C, and generally everyone.

The reason why 1.3 - 1.6 is fair because not only do men on avg. have wider noses, but P.O.C (Primarilly Africans and Indians) have wider noses. Now I'm not giving anyone a pass due to their race, but even Chico has only a 1.32 - 1.34(Pic Variation) Mouth to Nose ratio, and it doesn't detract from harmony.

Lower/Full Face Ratio is the same (0.62+)View attachment 1529500

Midface Ratio is rougly the same, slightly altered for wider IPD of Africans(Same for Indians & Asians) (.94 - 1.15)

View attachment 1529503View attachment 1529509
Mukasa(1.14)
While .94 and 1.14 doesn't really mess with harmony, closer to 1:1 is perfect.


Lower to Upper Lip Ratio (1.3 - 2 Excluding Asians, they need the standard 1.62)
View attachment 1529519
Since Blacks and Indians tend to have fuller lips they are allowed to slight stray from the "Golden Proportion", but anything below 1.3 is D*ck Sucking L*ps...sorry
View attachment 1529522View attachment 1529524
^^^This is BAD (1.26).
Mukasa at 1.43 amazing

Bizygomatic to Bigonial Width ( 80-90%, Same for everyone)

View attachment 1529529
This is really important I already made a thread why

Chin to Philtrum Ratio (2 - 2.5, Same for everyone)
View attachment 1529534View attachment 1529537

Anything over 2.6 = Crimson Chin, anything below 2 is likely recessed or Cart Titan Philtrum

All of the angles (Goinial, Canthal Tilt, Cervicomental etc etc. all remain the same)

Someone already made a thread with the ideal angles. (Thank god).

That's it (After writing this, I realize there isn't much salvation for the Asian Race, this was not my intentions and I'll update this if I missed something, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.)

fixed his alien esr. The original looks weird now compared to this, max esr is 48.5 for black men

 

[diditeverbegin]

TLDR: Buy a mm caliper to measure your ratios dear lord never use pictures unless they're professionally taken, also if you're black, indian, asian etc. don't use Caucasian ratios.

It has come to my attention that a lot of P.O.C are measuring their ratios based of the Caucasian studies. Also, 99% of you are measuring your ratios based on smartphone selfies, Blasphemy.

First I want to address a common misconception that a smartphone using the back camera if sufficient, but in reality it's not. 99% of phones are equiped with Wide-Angle or Ultra-Wide(AKA the demons of portraiture). I'll list the most common phones using these lenses.

Apple: iPhone XR, iPhone 6(All variants), iPhone 7(All Variants), iPhone 8(All Variants), iPhone 11, iPhone 12(+mini), iPhone 13(+mini).
Google: Pixel 3(All Variants), Pixel 4a, Pixel 5(All Variants), Pixel 6.

All of the above phones are only equipped with a Wide-Angle Lens, or an Ultra-Wide Angle Lens. If you've used thses pictures to measure your ratios, they aren't accurate AT ALL.

Pretty much all of the 2019 and later iPhones and Pixels have a Telephoto Lens. Here's the list.
Apple: iPhone X, iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max, iPhone 11 Pro(+Pro Max), iPhone 12 Pro(+Pro Max), iPhone 13 Pro(+max).
Google: Pixel 6 Pro.

If you used the Telephoto Lens these phones than your ratios hold decent merit and are somewhat accurate, but I'm really against using smartphone photos for ratios.

I SHOULD'NT HAVE TO SPEAK ABOUT SELFIES.

So why are these lenses so bad for portraiture???

You are all fammiliar with Lens distortion cause by too close length + bad cam specs, but have you ever heard of
Radial Distortion???

There are 3 types of Radial Distortion, but only 2 are relevant to the topic (Barrel distortion and Pincushion distortion)

View attachment 1529430

These types of distortions are practically impossbile to avoid with Wide-Angle & Ultra-Wide Angle Lenses. This why why every model photographer has 200MM Telephoto Lenses, because they have no distortion.

Alright, now I'm sure a lot of you are relieved to see how shit cameras are. Some people now wonder...What's the truth what do I look like.

Answer is....The Mirror. Yes, this is exactly what you look like. Now for "How Attractive am I?" is up to your self perception.

Part 2: Why P.O.C should'nt be using Caucasian ratios? I thought this was obvious...

The main reason why you can't use ratios for the other race is simply because they do not apply to you. Saying this, if you live in a Western County, it will benefit to have some of the key ratios for harmony(I will post them).

African, Asian,and Caucasian Facial Differences. Don't panic I'll summarize this soon.

Overall with such facial differences, different ratios must be used. So I used about 50 different Faces of African, Asian, and Indian to create more ideal ratios for the face. I'll tell you now most do not "totally" change, ever so slighty makes all the difference thought.

Part 3: Ratio Time

African ESR: (46 - .51) What dafuq .51??? Isn't that dolphin tier???? Nope, not for blacks.View attachment 1529459View attachment 1529462View attachment 1529464
Mukasa (.51 ESR) Beckford (.5 ESR) Staniel Ferreira(.5 ESR)

Give a White, Asian, or Indian this ESR and....

View attachment 1529468View attachment 1529472
Redditor (.51 ESR) Model Roberto Sipos(.5 ESR)

I know I only provided white guys and said Indians, and Asians will suffer from this too. That's because the typical Asian/Indian Skull has fairly wide cheekbones allowing for their standard averageness to fall within the Caucasian line. Africans tend to have to most high-set cheekbones, but not the biggest.

FWHR 1.8 - 2.01 (This goes for any race). Anything too high yields a brute/ogre appearance and totally f*cks harmony
Measured like this.
View attachment 1529481

Mouth to Nose Ratio (1.3 - 1.6 excluding Asians) (Typical being 1.4-1.6)
View attachment 1529490View attachment 1529498
This is another ratio that's being misused by P.O.C, and generally everyone.

The reason why 1.3 - 1.6 is fair because not only do men on avg. have wider noses, but P.O.C (Primarilly Africans and Indians) have wider noses. Now I'm not giving anyone a pass due to their race, but even Chico has only a 1.32 - 1.34(Pic Variation) Mouth to Nose ratio, and it doesn't detract from harmony.

Lower/Full Face Ratio is the same (0.62+)View attachment 1529500

Midface Ratio is rougly the same, slightly altered for wider IPD of Africans(Same for Indians & Asians) (.94 - 1.15)

View attachment 1529503View attachment 1529509
Mukasa(1.14)
While .94 and 1.14 doesn't really mess with harmony, closer to 1:1 is perfect.


Lower to Upper Lip Ratio (1.3 - 2 Excluding Asians, they need the standard 1.62)
View attachment 1529519
Since Blacks and Indians tend to have fuller lips they are allowed to slight stray from the "Golden Proportion", but anything below 1.3 is D*ck Sucking L*ps...sorry
View attachment 1529522View attachment 1529524
^^^This is BAD (1.26).
Mukasa at 1.43 amazing

Bizygomatic to Bigonial Width ( 80-90%, Same for everyone)

View attachment 1529529
This is really important I already made a thread why

Chin to Philtrum Ratio (2 - 2.5, Same for everyone)
View attachment 1529534View attachment 1529537

Anything over 2.6 = Crimson Chin, anything below 2 is likely recessed or Cart Titan Philtrum

All of the angles (Goinial, Canthal Tilt, Cervicomental etc etc. all remain the same)

Someone already made a thread with the ideal angles. (Thank god).

That's it (After writing this, I realize there isn't much salvation for the Asian Race, this was not my intentions and I'll update this if I missed something, but I'm pretty sure I didn't.)

Jfl Nero Angelo stole this verbatim

 

[cadee]

do you measure fwhr til the upper eyelids?