Just got my palate expander

[kazama]

1. Yea for sure. I’m 18 and doing it. The younger the better of course
2. If your IMW is greater than 39mm, it’s unlikely that your dentist will give you a palate expander

yeah fr, I'll try not to screw up alone thks

 

[Deleted member 40105]

1. Yea for sure. I’m 18 and doing it. The younger the better of course
2. If your IMW is greater than 39mm, it’s unlikely that your dentist will give you a palate expander

Mine is 50-60 mm

 

[soggra]

Mine is 50-60 mm

How high is your FWHR? .
Mine is 2.1 with 40mm IMW. Also I’m curious to see what it looks like, can you show your palate?

 

[Deleted member 40105]

How high is your FWHR? .
Mine is 2.1 with 40mm IMW. Also I’m curious to see what it looks like, can you show your palate?

1.6 fwhr

I think 50-60 mm was a stretch

33% equal thirds bhai

 

[soggra]

1.6 fwhr

Are you sure it isn’t lens distortion?

 

[Deleted member 40105]

Are you sure it isn’t lens distortion?

It’s not. I was born with a wide ass skull

 

[soggra]

It’s not. I was born with a wide ass skull

1.6 fwhr would mean your skull is narrow

 

[Deleted member 40105]

1.6 fwhr would mean your skull is narrow

Prob lens distortion then. I got my friend on discord to measure it.

 

[soggra]

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1.6 fwhr

I think 50-60 mm was a stretch

33% equal thirds bhai

your palate looks quite narrow actually, looks below 40mm

 

[soggra]

your palate looks quite narrow actually, looks below 40mm

Though it’s hard to tell through a picture. Best to measure it yourself

 

[manwtv]

Though it’s hard to tell through a picture. Best to measure it yourself

Is my palate narrow?

 

[manwtv]

Is my palate narrow?

I think i have a crossbite of sorts, my palate is pretty asymmetrical. I should have gone to an ortho when i was younger, but my parents just didn’t have the money.

 

[soggra]

Is my palate narrow?

It looks slightly narrow. If I had to guess your IMW it’s about 38-39mm

 

[manwtv]

It looks slightly narrow. If I had to guess your IMW it’s about 38-39mm

I did the apple method and it looked like around 40 but idk. The front has crowding bit the back is wide, ts sucks so much bro i need an expander so bad

 

[manwtv]

It looks slightly narrow. If I had to guess your IMW it’s about 38-39mm

Will my lower jaw grow too with the expander?

 

[soggra]

Will my lower jaw grow too with the expander?

lower jaw can adapt to the position of the maxilla to an extent.

 

[manwtv]

lower jaw can adapt to the position of the maxilla to an extent.

This is me no clenching bad lighting, do you think my jaw is too narrow? I clench in my sleep too sometimes, idk if its cuz of anxiety or malocclusion. It comes and goes.

 

[manwtv]

This is me no clenching bad lighting, do you think my jaw is too narrow? I clench in my sleep too sometimes, idk if its cuz of anxiety or malocclusion. It comes and goes.

Be waking up w jaw discomfort

 

[soggra]

This is me no clenching bad lighting, do you think my jaw is too narrow? I clench in my sleep too sometimes, idk if it’s cuz of anxiety or malocclusion. It comes and goes.

it’s hard to tell whether your jaw is too narrow. This looks like a selfie and selfies make your jaw look more narrow. Take a mirror pic and then I’ll decide whether it’s narrow or not

 

[manwtv]

it’s hard to tell whether your jaw is too narrow. This looks like a selfie and selfies make your jaw look more narrow. Take a mirror pic and then I’ll decide whether it’s narrow or not

 

[manwtv]

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[soggra]

Jaw width looks normal average

 

[manwtv]

Jaw width looks normal average

Why is my ipd so much worse in the mirror

 

[soggra]

Why is my ipd so much worse in the mirror

It doesn’t look worse with the mirror since mirrors is how people see you naturally. If anything the selfies makes your IPD look better and this is due to lens distortion

 

[mandiblade]

Thanks for making this thread.
1. Which palate expander did you get from bracesshop? I can't identify it just from that picture.
2. Also, wouldn't it be a good idea to find a way to split the midpalatal suture so the perpendicular structures(e.g. zygos, infraorbitals) can also be affected? MSE/FME/MARPE/etc are very different in terms of affecting the neighboring structures: https://preview.redd.it/jh75d57kytz...p4&s=ffd4739cc62aaaf88c351f468c0b9f7b13b4cc5a
3. Any facial results yet?

 

[soggra]

Thanks for making this thread.
1. Which palate expander did you get from bracesshop? I can't identify it just from that picture.
2. Also, wouldn't it be a good idea to find a way to split the midpalatal suture so the perpendicular structures(e.g. zygos, infraorbitals) can also be affected? MSE/FME/MARPE/etc are very different in terms of affecting the neighboring structures: https://preview.redd.it/jh75d57kytz...p4&s=ffd4739cc62aaaf88c351f468c0b9f7b13b4cc5a
3. Any facial results yet?

1. The 3 way expander
2. Not sure if I’m not mistaken splitting the midpalatal suture tends to widen your nasal aperture a lot which can worsen facial aesthetics. From what I’ve seen widening the very back of the palate along with achieving CCWR via upwards and forwards force along the anterior portion of the palate seems to be ideal for aesthetics
3. Some zygo forward growth and cheeks are a bit more hollow.

 

[Molild]

How did you manage to convince your orthodontist for the expander?

 

[soggra]

How did you manage to convince your orthodontist for the expander?

Got is myself on bracesshop.com

Every orthodontist I went to rejected me

 

[mandiblade]

Thanks overall

The 3 way expander

Thanks. Link for lazy dudes:

Buy 3-Way Schwarz Appliance Online - Palate Expander - BracesShop.com

Order your custom 3-Way Schwarz Appliance online - handcrafted in a professional dental lab based on your impressions for a perfect fit. Worldwide shipping.

www.bracesshop.com

if I’m not mistaken splitting the midpalatal suture tends to widen your nasal aperture a lot

Why MSE sucks, and turns you into a definitionless ape (better MSE theory)

Because an evenly split expansion of the palate will give you an uncanny and unaesthetic maxilla. It expands the front of the palate too much which widens the pyriform aperture unnaturally and gives you a monkey nose. Let's look at the conebeams of some MSE patients, shall we? These do not...

looksmax.org

Very, very, very high iq thread. Read all the responses as well.

Not directly related to that thread, but this could be a good idea:
1. The midpalatal suture is split using a device that focuses on expansion near the PNS and avoids expansion towards the ANS.
2. Once the midpalatal suture is split, only expand using said device a little bit. Make sure the suture does not fully fuse
3. Thumbpull towards the back VERY VERY hard as often as possible for as long as possible ONLY near the 2nd(3rd probably do not work) molars. If this happens with an open suture, no one on this planet can call it cope.

I want to do what I just mentioned + get a tooth/tissue borne expander or @CopeAndRope's method.

From what I’ve seen widening the very back of the palate along with achieving CCWR via upwards and forwards force along the anterior portion of the palate seems to be ideal for aesthetics

Two concerns:
1. Will this shorten my face as a whole? I will be perfectly fine if my midface gets shorter and that lost height goes to my last third. Otherwise, I don't want to shorten my face as a whole.
2. Wouldn't this shorten my chin? I'm not exactly willing to get surgery or fillers.

https://looksmax.org/threads/dude-s...ortens-chin-height-lower-third-height.866008/

Some zygo forward growth and cheeks are a bit more hollow

Nice dude. Hope you get to chadlite at least.

Again, thanks.

2 more questions:
1. (mostly water) There are 3 types of expansion: tooth tipping, alveolar remodeling, and skeletal expansion. If your zygos changed, there has to be skeletal expansion. Did you get any of the other two? If your teeth moved, I will try to buy a reviv(https://reviv.substack.com) انشاء الله.
2. What's your opinion on @CopeAndRope's forward growth and CCW rotation appliance? If you can outline any issues with it, I will try designing my own and I'll hopefully make a post بإذن الله.

 

[soggra]

Thanks overall


Thanks. Link for lazy dudes:

Buy 3-Way Schwarz Appliance Online - Palate Expander - BracesShop.com

Order your custom 3-Way Schwarz Appliance online - handcrafted in a professional dental lab based on your impressions for a perfect fit. Worldwide shipping.

www.bracesshop.com

Why MSE sucks, and turns you into a definitionless ape (better MSE theory)

Because an evenly split expansion of the palate will give you an uncanny and unaesthetic maxilla. It expands the front of the palate too much which widens the pyriform aperture unnaturally and gives you a monkey nose. Let's look at the conebeams of some MSE patients, shall we? These do not...

looksmax.org

Very, very, very high iq thread. Read all the responses as well.

Not directly related to that thread, but this could be a good idea:
1. The midpalatal suture is split using a device that focuses on expansion near the PNS and avoids expansion towards the ANS.
2. Once the midpalatal suture is split, only expand using said device a little bit. Make sure the suture does not fully fuse
3. Thumbpull towards the back VERY VERY hard as often as possible for as long as possible ONLY near the 2nd(3rd probably do not work) molars. If this happens with an open suture, no one on this planet can call it cope.

I want to do what I just mentioned + get a tooth/tissue borne expander or @CopeAndRope's method.

Two concerns:
1. Will this shorten my face as a whole? I will be perfectly fine if my midface gets shorter and that lost height goes to my last third. Otherwise, I don't want to shorten my face as a whole.
2. Wouldn't this shorten my chin? I'm not exactly willing to get surgery or fillers.

https://looksmax.org/threads/dude-s...ortens-chin-height-lower-third-height.866008/

Nice dude. Hope you get to chadlite at least.

Again, thanks.

2 more questions:
1. (mostly water) There are 3 types of expansion: tooth tipping, alveolar remodeling, and skeletal expansion. If your zygos changed, there has to be skeletal expansion. Did you get any of the other two? If your teeth moved, I will try to buy a reviv(https://reviv.substack.com) انشاء الله.
2. What's your opinion on @CopeAndRope's forward growth and CCW rotation appliance? If you can outline any issues with it, I will try designing my own and I'll hopefully make a post بإذن الله.

1. Yes it shortens the face as a whole.

Take a look at what CCWR does. It shortens the face as a whole

2. Yes it shortens the chin. Take a look a the gif above. Shouldn’t shorten it too much to be a problem though.

1. got both skeletal and teeth tipping.

2. If I’m not mistaken you’d have to wear a facemask with his appliance. In that case I couldn’t do it as I would imagine it would be uncomfortable to sleep with and I’m in contact with people constantly, I wouldn’t want them to know I wear some weird looking this on my face.

This would be a good facepuller in my opinion as you wouldn’t have to wear it all day long

 

[mandiblade]

Take a look at what CCWR does. It shortens the face as a whole

Kind of disappointing. I guess I'll hold off on @CopeAndRope's method, or at least modify it.

Yes it shortens the chin. Take a look a the gif above. Shouldn’t shorten it too much to be a problem though

I'm not too downgrown so hopefully it won't be that bad if I get further ccw rotation. TBH tho, it might be my african maxillary protrusion making seem like I'm not downgrown. I have moderate-low pct tho so it's probably not just my protrusion, but idrk.

1. got both skeletal and teeth tipping.

Reviv it is, then.

If I’m not mistaken you’d have to wear a facemask with his appliance

Not exactly. It's not like orthodontic facemasks. It's like this: https://i.looksmax.org/attachments/2019/09/1511325_sdfghj54edfgh.jpg

In that case I couldn’t do it as I would imagine it would be uncomfortable to sleep with and I’m in contact with people constantly, I wouldn’t want them to know I wear some weird looking this on my face.

If you modify your bed with like ropes(no pun intended) or something, it would probably be safer. If this is your only concern, I'll look into that device

This would be a good facepuller in my opinion as you wouldn’t have to wear it all day long

Yes, but this allows for the most common thumb/facepulling criticism: you pull for 5 minutes, and your body has 1435 minutes to restore it. Even if a palate expander ensures that the lateral pressure isn't just a waste of time, the forward and upward pressure would indeed be a waste.

 

[2marc1]

@soggra did it work? why would you get that one in the first place, thats the one used in 10 year old kids

 

[soggra]

@soggra did it work? why would you get that one in the first place, thats the one used in 10 year old kids

Worked a little. Saw some expansion. I am using it still. Got it because it’s better than nothing and also every orthodontist I went to rejected me for MSE considering my palate width is quite normal

 

[2marc1]

Worked a little. Saw some expansion. I am using it still. Got it because it’s better than nothing and also every orthodontist I went to rejected me for MSE considering my palate width is quite normal

why not get RPE? how old are you?
i was planning on getting MRE and reverse modified headgear

 

[soggra]

why not get RPE? how old are you?
i was planning on getting MRE and reverse modified headgear

My orthodontists rejected me for palate expansion period so RPE would be out of the question. I’m 18. MRE as in mandibular remodeling expansion?

 

[2marc1]

My orthodontists rejected me for palate expansion period so RPE would be out of the question. I’m 18. MRE as in mandibular remodeling expansion?

no i mean RPE

alr so if you got some expansion at 18, im 15
i made a diy reverse headgear from a hockey headset and 24oz elastics
hopefully i can get some forwrad grwoth

 

[mandiblade]

My orthodontists rejected me for palate expansion period

Usually, airway orthodontists are more pro-expansion. Have you gone to any?

 

[soggra]

Usually, airway orthodontists are more pro-expansion. Have you gone to any?

Yes I have

 

[mandiblade]

Yes I have

Man that's rough. The only dudes who are pro-expansion rejected you. Hope I have better luck.

 

[MarkMoggs07]

I’m mainly doing it for aesthetic reasons not for breathing or function

I’m mainly doing it for aesthetic reasons not for breathing or function

What is the best palate with for noticeable change. I have 32mm and I want to have one too for aesthetic reasons. What's the best possible with for me as a 17 year old?

 

[soggra]

What is the best palate with for noticeable change. I have 32mm and I want to have one too for aesthetic reasons. What's the best possible with for me as a 17 year old?

The best palate expander would be FME however it’s expensive and very few orthodontists actually do it. The next best option would be MSE the only downside is that it’s expensive but many orthodontists would be willing to do it on you.

 

[soggra]

What is the best palate with for noticeable change. I have 32mm and I want to have one too for aesthetic reasons. What's the best possible with for me as a 17 year old?

If you want one that’s cheap get one from braces hop.com Id say the Active Plate expander is the best one there for getting a wider palate

 

[mandiblade]

The best palate expander would be FME however it’s expensive and very few orthodontists actually do it.

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The next best option would be MSE the only downside is that it’s expensive but many orthodontists would be willing to do it on you

Why MSE sucks, and turns you into a definitionless ape (better MSE theory)

Because an evenly split expansion of the palate will give you an uncanny and unaesthetic maxilla. It expands the front of the palate too much which widens the pyriform aperture unnaturally and gives you a monkey nose. Let's look at the conebeams of some MSE patients, shall we? These do not...

looksmax.org

If you want one that’s cheap get one from braces hop.com Id say the Active Plate expander is the best one there for getting a wider palate

Agreed

 

[Deleted member 135969]

Is a 9 teeth smile good at 15?

 

[Molild]

Got is myself on bracesshop.com

Every orthodontist I went to rejected me

Something I don’t understand is why orthodontists reject people that want to get expanders. At the end of the day isn’t their company benefiting from applying it and making money?

 

[soggra]

Something I don’t understand is why orthodontists reject people that want to get expanders. At the end of the day isn’t their company benefiting from applying it and making money?

They are but I think they are just afraid of botching people

 

[Deleted member 75313]

Got is myself on bracesshop.com

Every orthodontist I went to rejected me

What age did you use it at? And how many MM did you expand it overall

 

[soggra]

What age did you use it at? And how many MM did you expand it overall

18 and I didn't measure the expansion but if I had to guess its about 1-2 mm wider and 1-2mm more forward.

 

[Deleted member 75313]

18 and I didn't measure the expansion but if I had to guess its about 1-2 mm wider and 1-2mm more forward.

I’m 14 and was scared I’m running out of time

 

[RichZygoRodger]

18 and I didn't measure the expansion but if I had to guess its about 1-2 mm wider and 1-2mm more forward.

did your maxilla actually grow forward or did your teeth just tilt forward? cause wouldn't the constant stress on the bone grow it forward, like bonesmashing? but with little growth throughout the maxilla bone, ultimately it growing forward