Pagnoni blackpilled consultation & infodump

[brock]

My prev thread: https://looksmax.org/threads/jaw-surgery-before-implants-need-serious-help.712582/
I'm kinda scared to post this because he's definitely reading the forums. Dude is the most blackpilled surgeon I've talked to. I gotta say, overall I was super impressed to the point of thinking it's too good to be true. Pros:

• Free consultation
• Super punctual and prepared
• Already knew exactly what I wanted (he had this blackpilled powerpoint ready with pics of you fuckers)
• Has a packaged deal for bimax + genio + cheek implants
• Readily suggested jaw widening
• Was very chill and answered all my questions in detail
• His plan didn't require extractions or braces

I'd consulted with Ramieri before, and while I liked him too, he wanted extractions and a year of braces first (to avoid CCWr?). Also never mentioned jaw widening.

Now what I want to know is why Pagnoni's plan differs so much from Ramieri. I'd like to go with Pagnoni, but it sounds too good to be true. Should I consult with other surgeons (suggestions?)?

Other docs I considered:
US docs - Just too expensive
Korea docs - Consulted with many, they all suck and can't do major advancements
Coceancig - Good results, but too expensive
Alfaro - Good results, but lots of talk of botching on Reddit recently
Sailer - Expensive and talks of butchering
Zarrinbal - ?
Raffiani - ?
Jacobsen - Consultation scheduled

INFODUMP BELOW

Past Pagnoni threads:

Experiences with Dr Pagnoni?

Pro: does hard & soft tissue aswell as custom implants Con: lives far away ( 10+ hours by car) Any experiences?

looksmax.org

Why don't more people go to pagnoni?

Bro offers various custom PEEK implants AND bimax. Thread 'Update: I’m out of surgery' https://looksmax.org/threads/update-im-out-of-surgery.689068/ This guy got infra+orbital+bimax Literally just get a completely new identity Getting more forward growth AND getting less uee + less saggy...

looksmax.org

Bimax with Pagnoni

How is Pagnoni's bimax? I know that he's the first choice for anything cheekbones and above, but does Ramieri mog when it comes to bimax?

looksmax.org

Users who went to Pagnoni:
Positive:
@herring https://looksmax.org/threads/experiences-with-dr-pagnoni.478532/post-7877176
@Looksmax25 https://looksmax.org/threads/failed-bimax-by-italian-surgeon.243334/post-4529311
@misc001 https://looksmax.org/threads/update-im-out-of-surgery.689068/
@wannabenormie https://looksmax.org/threads/zygo-implants-result-with-pagnoni.266094/
@chadtindermoney (can't find results) https://looksmax.org/threads/why-dont-more-people-go-to-pagnoni.690340/post-10973270
@looksseg https://looksmax.org/threads/bimax-result-with-pagnoni.653106/
@BugEyes69420 https://looksmax.org/threads/ascension-with-pagnoni-in-less-than-1-week.617943/page-2
Negative:
@Sheyko https://looksmax.org/threads/failed-bimax-by-italian-surgeon.243334/
@Linoob (didn't go, but knows ppl who did) https://looksmax.org/threads/experiences-with-dr-pagnoni.478532/post-7882356
Unknown:
@Titbot https://looksmax.org/threads/i-will-be-getting-bimax-next-month.412412/

 

[eyebagcel]

when did you consult with him? someone said in a thread 3 weeks ago he was gonna stop doing surgeries

thread seems to have been deleted now though, can’t find it

 

[Deleted member 20631]

I had the same exact experience, answered all my questions and was very open to my input on the surgery plan.

 

[Matthias8272]

Did you ask if he has a deal for multiple implants with no bimax? Also Ramieri does jaw widening if you do custom plates

 

[normie_joe]

My prev thread: https://looksmax.org/threads/jaw-surgery-before-implants-need-serious-help.712582/
I'm kinda scared to post this because he's definitely reading the forums. Dude is the most blackpilled surgeon I've talked to. I gotta say, overall I was super impressed to the point of thinking it's too good to be true. Pros:

• Free consultation
• Super punctual and prepared
• Already knew exactly what I wanted (he had this blackpilled powerpoint ready with pics of you fuckers)
• Has a packaged deal for bimax + genio + cheek implants
• Readily suggested jaw widening
• Was very chill and answered all my questions in detail
• His plan didn't require extractions or braces

I'd consulted with Ramieri before, and while I liked him too, he wanted extractions and a year of braces first (to avoid CCWr?). Also never mentioned jaw widening.

Now what I want to know is why Pagnoni's plan differs so much from Ramieri. I'd like to go with Pagnoni, but it sounds too good to be true. Should I consult with other surgeons (suggestions?)?

Other docs I considered:
US docs - Just too expensive
Korea docs - Consulted with many, they all suck and can't do major advancements
Coceancig - Good results, but too expensive
Alfaro - Good results, but lots of talk of botching on Reddit recently
Sailer - Expensive and talks of butchering
Zarrinbal - ?
Raffiani - ?
Jacobsen - Consultation scheduled

INFODUMP BELOW

Past Pagnoni threads:

Experiences with Dr Pagnoni?

Pro: does hard & soft tissue aswell as custom implants Con: lives far away ( 10+ hours by car) Any experiences?

looksmax.org

Why don't more people go to pagnoni?

Bro offers various custom PEEK implants AND bimax. Thread 'Update: I’m out of surgery' https://looksmax.org/threads/update-im-out-of-surgery.689068/ This guy got infra+orbital+bimax Literally just get a completely new identity Getting more forward growth AND getting less uee + less saggy...

looksmax.org

Bimax with Pagnoni

How is Pagnoni's bimax? I know that he's the first choice for anything cheekbones and above, but does Ramieri mog when it comes to bimax?

looksmax.org

Users who went to Pagnoni:
Positive:
@herring https://looksmax.org/threads/experiences-with-dr-pagnoni.478532/post-7877176
@Looksmax25 https://looksmax.org/threads/failed-bimax-by-italian-surgeon.243334/post-4529311
@misc001 https://looksmax.org/threads/update-im-out-of-surgery.689068/
@wannabenormie https://looksmax.org/threads/zygo-implants-result-with-pagnoni.266094/
@chadtindermoney (can't find results) https://looksmax.org/threads/why-dont-more-people-go-to-pagnoni.690340/post-10973270
@looksseg https://looksmax.org/threads/bimax-result-with-pagnoni.653106/
@BugEyes69420 https://looksmax.org/threads/ascension-with-pagnoni-in-less-than-1-week.617943/page-2
Negative:
@Sheyko https://looksmax.org/threads/failed-bimax-by-italian-surgeon.243334/
@Linoob (didn't go, but knows ppl who did) https://looksmax.org/threads/experiences-with-dr-pagnoni.478532/post-7882356
Unknown:
@Titbot https://looksmax.org/threads/i-will-be-getting-bimax-next-month.412412/

Respect for even posting this, thanks my guy.

Did you manage to ask him why specifically you don't need braces?

 

[Member since 2022]

Mirin Brother your dedication and getting as much info before surgery as possible..

These motherfuckers are taking surgery left and right like it's fucking haircut

 

[brock]

Respect for even posting this, thanks my guy.

Did you manage to ask him why specifically you don't need braces?

He said he doesn't believe in pulling healthy teeth and I didn't need it. Didn't specifically answer why other docs might think I did.

Did you ask if he has a deal for multiple implants with no bimax? Also Ramieri does jaw widening if you do custom plates

But he didn't mention it to me at all, even when I said one of my goals was a wider jaw. I guess he either didn't want to or didn't think he could for me.

when did you consult with him? someone said in a thread 3 weeks ago he was gonna stop doing surgeries

thread seems to have been deleted now though, can’t find it

Consultation was recent. He didn't say anything about retiring and when I asked when I could do the surgery he basically said whenever I want.

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Free online consultation? I remember reading somewhere it was 150€

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Pagnoni is the GOAT. I better get 99% off my next surgery for shilling him so hard

Fr tho, he is a great dude.

 

[Deleted member 20914]

Free online consultation? I remember reading somewhere it was 150€

I had to pay for mine, idk why he would make them free, just gonna get time wasters

 

[VenatorLuparius]

Very professional and down to earth, indeed. Unlike many other surgeons he's not trying to sell you unecessary procedures and will give you as much freedom to express your desires (within reasons) instead of constraining you.

As much as my surgeon did improve me with my genio, he was quite rigid when it comes to liberty of movement: he did 10mm instead of the 13 that was previously planned and refused to add vertical movement and he was pushing hard for chin lipo.

 

[VenatorLuparius]

I had to pay for mine, idk why he would make them free, just gonna get time wasters

He's probably going to reverse it after too many broke time wasters have ruined his patience.

Only like 5% of this place can afford his services.

 

[Deleted member 20914]

He's probably going to reverse it after too many broke time wasters have ruined his patience.

Only like 5% of this place can afford his services.

Its a lot of money, but people will piss that amount away on a new BMW or mercedes or other bullshit. In terms of price per unit life improvement surgery is king imo

If you live in a developed country then it is absolutely possible to save that amount when young.

1. Live with parents
2. Don't go out and spend money on bullshit
3. Work 60hrs a week @ minimum wage (or more) = £600 per week = £2,600 per month = £30k per year

After a year you should be able to afford surgery and travel costs. Not to mention there are these wonderful things called loans, if you have 15k saved up you should be able to get a decent loan if you have good credit.

Just be born in a good country theory

 

[VenatorLuparius]

Its a lot of money, but people will piss that amount away on a new BMW or mercedes or other bullshit. In terms of price per unit life improvement surgery is king imo

If you live in a developed country then it is absolutely possible to save that amount when young.

1. Live with parents
2. Don't go out and spend money on bullshit
3. Work 60hrs a week @ minimum wage (or more) = £600 per week = £2,600 per month = £30k per year

After a year you should be able to afford surgery and travel costs. Not to mention there are these wonderful things called loans, if you have 15k saved up you should be able to get a decent loan if you have good credit.

Just be born in a good country theory

I know IRL people flexing a rolex while being a subhuman that no girl wants to touch.

Normies cope with rich wannabe stuff that add no SMV whatsoever and only attract gold diggers. Brother this year I've dropped enough money to buy a brand New Tesla Model 3 JFL.

However the dopamine rush of seeing my new mogger chin everyday is worth a thousand luxury watches.

 

[dakchuh]

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this his insta? anyone know how old he is?

 

[BugEyes69420]

pagnoni changed my life, I love that man for real. guiding others to a gift he already possesses (chadness), truly the patron saint of ugly incels across the western hemisphere. God bless Mario Pagnoni.

 

[BugEyes69420]

i had no idea he reads the forums, i was aware he knew of them tho, thats kinds based

 

[BugEyes69420]

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this his insta? anyone know how old he is?

mid 40's with a NW1 hairline. silverfox mediterranean mogger indeed!

 

[Fkingigacope]

What do you mean as per no extractions? The BSSO cut requires the wisdom teeth to be removed

 

[brock]

What do you mean as per no extractions? The BSSO cut requires the wisdom teeth to be removed

Ah, he did mention removing the wisdom teeth. But then he said I could keep them if I like? Didn't quite understand that. But at least it wasn't premolars like Ramieri suggested.

pagnoni changed my life, I love that man for real. guiding others to a gift he already possesses (chadness), truly the patron saint of ugly incels across the western hemisphere. God bless Mario Pagnoni.

Pagnoni is the GOAT. I better get 99% off my next surgery for shilling him so hard

Fr tho, he is a great dude.

How hard did you guys ascend? Can you PM pics?

 

[VenatorLuparius]

i had no idea he reads the forums, i was aware he knew of them tho, thats kinds based

Do you mind sharing your procedures and results in private. I've already scheduled surgeries with him and would like insights and feedbacks.

 

[dakchuh]

mid 40's with a NW1 hairline. silverfox mediterranean mogger indeed!

he's that young? arent most of these well known surgeons oldcels?

 

[Deleted member 15539]

Cost for complete package?

 

[lasnt]

Based Graycel

 

[BrownEyesWD]

Ah, he did mention removing the wisdom teeth. But then he said I could keep them if I like? Didn't quite understand that. But at least it wasn't premolars like Ramieri suggested.




How hard did you guys ascend? Can you PM pics?

The standard BSSO cut is where the wisdom teeth are. Where exactly does he cut it?

 

[looksseg]

He did excellent work on me, no complain in result, very good, any botchering, great improvement
He give you all attention, consultations after procedure whenever you want, and help you as he can, I can only recommend him

Just be prepared to use invisalign or other alligner after, because this might be the case. But for me it’s still much much better than using braces before

 

[longjohnmong]

How long was the wait list for consultation?

I remember reading that when he does CCWr, he doesn't downgraft but just leaves a big space? Anyone know if there's any truth to that?

I had to pay for mine, idk why he would make them free, just gonna get time wasters

Because surgery is like $25,000, so if even 1 person out of 166 gets surgery because of free consultation then he's breaking even vs. charging $150 per consult. And most people having a surgical consult are probably somewhat serious, and he knows he's charismatic enough to sell himself. This is good business and charging for a consult is not.

Alfaro - Good results, but lots of talk of botching on Reddit recently

Fuck reddit

Now what I want to know is why Pagnoni's plan differs so much from Ramieri. I'd like to go with Pagnoni, but it sounds too good to be true. Should I consult with other surgeons (suggestions?)?

You could look into S. America. Lots of good surgeons down there.

I like this dude's results:

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[MulattoTrenMaxxer]

Does anyone know if he does saddled infra implants?

 

[longjohnmong]

Does anyone know if he does saddled infra implants?

yeah @misc001 got them I believe

 

[BugEyes69420]

he's that young? arent most of these well known surgeons oldcels?

yep. exactly what makes pagnoni so special. hes arguably already the preeminent surgeon in PSL and yet he's still got so much gas left in the tank. Think about the reputation he will have when he retires, all the lives he will have changed for the better (like mine), etc...

 

[longjohnmong]

Does he show you many B&As during consult? He has so few online as far as I can tell.

 

[Deleted member 21048]

yep. exactly what makes pagnoni so special. hes arguably already the preeminent surgeon in PSL and yet he's still got so much gas left in the tank. Think about the reputation he will have when he retires, all the lives he will have changed for the better (like mine), etc...

Who said he was retiring when he is mid 40s with gas in the tank?

 

[Deleted member 21048]

pagnoni changed my life, I love that man for real. guiding others to a gift he already possesses (chadness), truly the patron saint of ugly incels across the western hemisphere. God bless Mario Pagnoni.

What surgeries did u get? Glad things worked out man

 

[BugEyes69420]

What surgeries did u get? Glad things worked out man

trimax and periorbitals and thank you bro

 

[Deleted member 21048]

trimax and periorbitals and thank you bro

Can u pm pics if okay? thanks I need the same set tbh

 

[CristianT]

having already 2 surgeries with him I can say that he is the most down to earth person I ever met. Also he is extremely intelligent and you can argue a bit that on the designing on the implants he could be a little better but on technical part he is, without a doubt 10/10.
I remember when I was going to his office for check ups after surgery we were talking about random stuff and it was always a very nice conversation.
also he appreciate modesty, common sense and sincerity a lot.

To be honest for me he felt like a friend rather than a surgeon.
He raised the prices indeed but that's because of how the world works - inflation.

 

[RandomGREY]

How do I contact him, heard he was retiring?

 

[brock]

How do I contact him, heard he was retiring?

Just email on his website.


@RealSurgerymax I PM'd you. Would appreciate a response

 

[Intricately]

but it sounds too good to be true.

Wow, I'm shocked. I had an online consultation with Pagnoni as well and this was my exact same thought. Literally too good to be true. Pagnoni also said there are no risks of bone resorption under the implant or displacement and none of his patients have ever gotten an infection with PEEK. Everything he said was exactly what I wanted to hear and catered to the preachings of this forum.

Honestly, I like Ramieri too because he doesnt have any truly bad google reviews and he seems very authentic. Pagnoni seems so perfect it scares me, but he does also have terrible reviews. I'm deeply on the fence on who to go to. Pags is just a tad more expensive than Ramieri but I LOVE his undereye implant design.

 

[Deleted member 18582]

Wow, I'm shocked. I had an online consultation with Pagnoni as well and this was my exact same thought. Literally too good to be true. Pagnoni also said there are no risks of bone resorption under the implant or displacement and none of his patients have ever gotten an infection with PEEK. Everything he said was exactly what I wanted to hear and catered to the preachings of this forum.

Honestly, I like Ramieri too because he doesnt have any truly bad google reviews and he seems very authentic. Pagnoni seems so perfect it scares me, but he does also have terrible reviews. I'm deeply on the fence on who to go to. Pags is just a tad more expensive than Ramieri but I LOVE his undereye implant design.

Where are the bad reviews of Pagnoni? I constantly see people talking about it but the only one I saw of the ESL lookism user posting some sketchy bullshit that gave troll energy

 

[Deleted member 18582]

Just email on his website.


@RealSurgerymax I PM'd you. Would appreciate a response

Also OP, Pagnoni didn't require you to have braces,

Did you have a good bite?

 

[Deleted member 30226]

I'm a revision case and he has pointed out a risk to me. He has also let me know I may need orthodontics. I've asked quite a few people to review his surgical plan but tbh, nobody other than another surgeon understands the movements. But my bimax is doing the following:

CCW + Genio
correct asymmetry at the jaw (rotation)
correct canting of the chin (rotation)
correcting canting of upper incisors

He picked up on a lot of small detail, queried why my original bimax was done the way it was then explained to me how I've ended up with a flat mid face, recessed lower third and a long philtrum.

Regarding implants, if you dislike them then there is a cost to have the implants removed. If you develop an infection within the 6 week period and its related to the surgery then you're covered to have the implant removed.

 

[Magnum Opus]

trimax and periorbitals and thank you bro

Could you PM me your results please?

 

[Deleted member 19766]

I'm a revision case and he has pointed out a risk to me. He has also let me know I may need orthodontics. I've asked quite a few people to review his surgical plan but tbh, nobody other than another surgeon understands the movements. But my bimax is doing the following:

CCW + Genio
correct asymmetry at the jaw (rotation)
correct canting of the chin (rotation)
correcting canting of upper incisors

He picked up on a lot of small detail, queried why my original bimax was done the way it was then explained to me how I've ended up with a flat mid face, recessed lower third and a long philtrum.

Regarding implants, if you dislike them then there is a cost to have the implants removed. If you develop an infection within the 6 week period and its related to the surgery then you're covered to have the implant removed.

He's high IQ af

Wow, I'm shocked. I had an online consultation with Pagnoni as well and this was my exact same thought. Literally too good to be true. Pagnoni also said there are no risks of bone resorption under the implant or displacement and none of his patients have ever gotten an infection with PEEK. Everything he said was exactly what I wanted to hear and catered to the preachings of this forum.

Honestly, I like Ramieri too because he doesnt have any truly bad google reviews and he seems very authentic. Pagnoni seems so perfect it scares me, but he does also have terrible reviews. I'm deeply on the fence on who to go to. Pags is just a tad more expensive than Ramieri but I LOVE his undereye implant design.

Ramieri is more than Pagnoni tho??

trimax and periorbitals and thank you bro

What specifically for periorbitals? Like what implants u do

 

[goatedjordan23]

Very professional and down to earth, indeed. Unlike many other surgeons he's not trying to sell you unecessary procedures and will give you as much freedom to express your desires (within reasons) instead of constraining you.

As much as my surgeon did improve me with my genio, he was quite rigid when it comes to liberty of movement: he did 10mm instead of the 13 that was previously planned and refused to add vertical movement and he was pushing hard for chin lipo.

how do i contact him

 

[Oxygen]

My prev thread: https://looksmax.org/threads/jaw-surgery-before-implants-need-serious-help.712582/
I'm kinda scared to post this because he's definitely reading the forums. Dude is the most blackpilled surgeon I've talked to. I gotta say, overall I was super impressed to the point of thinking it's too good to be true. Pros:

• Free consultation
• Super punctual and prepared
• Already knew exactly what I wanted (he had this blackpilled powerpoint ready with pics of you fuckers)
• Has a packaged deal for bimax + genio + cheek implants
• Readily suggested jaw widening
• Was very chill and answered all my questions in detail
• His plan didn't require extractions or braces

I'd consulted with Ramieri before, and while I liked him too, he wanted extractions and a year of braces first (to avoid CCWr?). Also never mentioned jaw widening.

Now what I want to know is why Pagnoni's plan differs so much from Ramieri. I'd like to go with Pagnoni, but it sounds too good to be true. Should I consult with other surgeons (suggestions?)?

Other docs I considered:
US docs - Just too expensive
Korea docs - Consulted with many, they all suck and can't do major advancements
Coceancig - Good results, but too expensive
Alfaro - Good results, but lots of talk of botching on Reddit recently
Sailer - Expensive and talks of butchering
Zarrinbal - ?
Raffiani - ?
Jacobsen - Consultation scheduled

INFODUMP BELOW

Past Pagnoni threads:

Experiences with Dr Pagnoni?

Pro: does hard & soft tissue aswell as custom implants Con: lives far away ( 10+ hours by car) Any experiences?

looksmax.org

Why don't more people go to pagnoni?

Bro offers various custom PEEK implants AND bimax. Thread 'Update: I’m out of surgery' https://looksmax.org/threads/update-im-out-of-surgery.689068/ This guy got infra+orbital+bimax Literally just get a completely new identity Getting more forward growth AND getting less uee + less saggy...

looksmax.org

Bimax with Pagnoni

How is Pagnoni's bimax? I know that he's the first choice for anything cheekbones and above, but does Ramieri mog when it comes to bimax?

looksmax.org

Users who went to Pagnoni:
Positive:
@herring https://looksmax.org/threads/experiences-with-dr-pagnoni.478532/post-7877176
@Looksmax25 https://looksmax.org/threads/failed-bimax-by-italian-surgeon.243334/post-4529311
@misc001 https://looksmax.org/threads/update-im-out-of-surgery.689068/
@wannabenormie https://looksmax.org/threads/zygo-implants-result-with-pagnoni.266094/
@chadtindermoney (can't find results) https://looksmax.org/threads/why-dont-more-people-go-to-pagnoni.690340/post-10973270
@looksseg https://looksmax.org/threads/bimax-result-with-pagnoni.653106/
@BugEyes69420 https://looksmax.org/threads/ascension-with-pagnoni-in-less-than-1-week.617943/page-2
Negative:
@Sheyko https://looksmax.org/threads/failed-bimax-by-italian-surgeon.243334/
@Linoob (didn't go, but knows ppl who did) https://looksmax.org/threads/experiences-with-dr-pagnoni.478532/post-7882356
Unknown:
@Titbot https://looksmax.org/threads/i-will-be-getting-bimax-next-month.412412/

pagnoni changed my life, I love that man for real. guiding others to a gift he already possesses (chadness), truly the patron saint of ugly incels across the western hemisphere. God bless Mario Pagnoni.

He did excellent work on me, no complain in result, very good, any botchering, great improvement
He give you all attention, consultations after procedure whenever you want, and help you as he can, I can only recommend him

Just be prepared to use invisalign or other alligner after, because this might be the case. But for me it’s still much much better than using braces before

hate to be so late but how much did your procedures cost? Pm if you dont want to disclose publicly. Thanks

 

[goatedjordan23]

hate to be so late but how much did your procedures cost? Pm if you dont want to disclose publicly. Thanks

Bump send them to me too if you don’t mind

 

[klamus]

I know IRL people flexing a rolex while being a subhuman that no girl wants to touch.

Normies cope with rich wannabe stuff that add no SMV whatsoever and only attract gold diggers. Brother this year I've dropped enough money to buy a brand New Tesla Model 3 JFL.

However the dopamine rush of seeing my new mogger chin everyday is worth a thousand luxury watches.

Honestly flexing with a rolex unless you are so rich its nothing to you is peak mental illness. How stupid can someone that graduated high school and still believes a watch has any real value? I dont mean monetary value.

 

[VenatorLuparius]

Honestly flexing with a rolex unless you are so rich its nothing to you is peak mental illness. How stupid can someone that graduated high school and still believes a watch has any real value? I dont mean monetary value.

People have to cope somehow.

Boomers confiscated most of the wealth and except a few outliers, most of gen Y and Z will never afford a decent home.

Best to cope by flexing luxury wannabe items that they know they can afford after a few years of wageslaving and call it a day : they've have a rolly, they've made it in life.

 

[klamus]

People have to cope somehow.

Boomers confiscated most of the wealth and except a few outliers, most of gen Y and Z will never afford a decent home.

Best to cope by flexing luxury wannabe items that they know they can afford after a few years of wageslaving and call it a day : they've have a rolly, they've made it in life.

Why not just improve their situation? Like with surgery. A watch just makes you poorer