Physical Harmony, Perceived Congruency, and Why “Game” (also called “NT”) Matters: An Analysis

[chadison]

Based High IQ thread, especially regarding the congruency point. That does make alot of sense. Only thing is you contradicted yourself on one area when you said " when is Chad not fucking Stacy" but at the same time said Stacies are rare and most Chads can only go for Beckies. What do you mean here like LTR wise? Or just short term?

What I mean is Chads will have the least sexual resistance from high-tier beckies, or women two points below them (if chad is an 8, HT becky is a 6). Many chads I know (well, not many. They are very rare) are in LTRs, and so they are off the dating market (assuming they aren't cheating; they could be given their options).

So would you say Chads slay better looking girls on average and then settle with Beckies?

Vice-versa. Chads slay slightly above average women and then settle with a stacy/stacylite.

Also second question, what things do you think it takes to pull Stacies? Is it a high level of Looks? Money? Status? Or all three?

All three given today's dating climate (women's options). At the bare minimum, two of the three. These things tend to go hand in hand though, especially money and status.

Then lastly what are your thoughts on Wheat Waffles(YouTuber) demonstation of Looks to Game importance where his chart says View attachment 1268495
If you're around an 8+ specifically in the face you can get away with below average game and pull some attractive women still. (Obviously not all the time because even chad will close like 10 percent still but you get my point.) Thoughts?

I think wheat waffles is correct about most things, including this. However, he fails to incorporate subjectivity (niches) that women have. An 8 to one woman may be a 6-7 for a different woman depending on preferences. Wheat waffles is generalizing though, and in general, he is right. In general, if a man is two points or more than another (say, a 7 vs a 5) the 5 will almost always lose regardless of external factors. A gap of less than two can be closed through niches and game, but the chances of so are low unless the gap is less than 1. That is why you want to try to get over a 6 as a male. Once you are around a 6.5 (about where I am) less than 1% of guys are over a point higher than you, and you start to have consistent success if you have good game (you can close the gap with 7s, and there aren't that many 7s out there).

 

[chadison]

I still believe that people will LTR their looksmatch, therefore I disagree with this statement "men will do best in the dating market when going for women 2 points below their own SMV." The real issue is that there is not enough stacies for chad to slay. Stacies are rare like chad. Chad slayers will be forced to slay beckies. For short term relationships, you just want people who pass your personal looks threshold and are dtf. I have no experience slaying, but your not really going to care if you can do better SMV wise if your spinning plates.

What I meant by this was that men who date down two points will have the easiest time with women at that level, because women are instinctually hypergamous. I am not saying looksmatched relationships aren't possible; I'm saying that if a man is a 6, he will have the least resistance from a 4/10, and will have comparably more from a 6/10, although he could still succeed with the 6 in the long run. This is why "Chads" often ONS beckies and high tier beckies, and not stacylites+. Since the latter are closer to their own looks level, they require more time and effort (an LTR style bidding) rather than a HT becky.

 

[Deleted member 14166]

Abstract​

“Game,” more formally recognized as Pick Up Artistry (PUA), and oftentimes referred to here as “NT (neurotypicality),” has been subject to much controversy within the blackpill sphere. In this dissertation, we will examine the validity of the subject through a perspective bound by lookism and its modern consequences, and apply psycho-sociological paradigms in the process. Before one of you comments “I'm a faggot, dnrd,” hear me out. You do want to read this—trust me.
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Introduction ​

Now, let’s stop using big words and cut to the chase. I will not be quoting any studies but instead using the information I have assimilated/remember from many studies I have read. If you would like a specific study supporting my claims, I am happy to provide it below—just ask. ​

Surprisingly, I couldn’t find a formal definition of game that I felt encompassed its totality. The closest I could find, which was on some obscure PUA forum, was the following:

“On a broader level, game is the ability to fulfill one’s potential and live life to the fullest. In this sense, life is a game that we play, and the goal is to win the game, while enjoying the process of playing.”

This is certainly a macro definition of game, but I feel it is mostly applicable to what we will discuss. There is a fallacy of epic proportions on this forum, and that fallacy is: “Just reach 6psl bro, then women will approach you, men will treat you like a deity, and you won’t need to try anymore. All it takes is a good base, a few years of frequent surgeries, LL and lifts, and gymmaxxing.”

Now let me tell you why that is completely incorrect:

1. Most men will NEVER be able to ascend to 6psl. How many people are white, 5’10+, have a full head of hair, good facial bone structure, facial coloring, and a wide clavicle naturally? Not to mention enough money to finance all of their future looksmaxxing, and the time to do this? We’re probably speaking of <5% of you here. Maybe a few of you reading this, at absolute most. Based on my experience here—seeing ratings and the average guy on this forum, and developing a good rating system myself—I suspect the average man can looksmax to about a 6.5/10 IRL, or ~5psl, give or take a quarter-point. Roughly 90th percentile in looks, or just barely cutting into the top 10% of men. This is because the average man does very little to look good, and doesn't have a very good appearance. Such is why he can (generally) only obtain sexual access through LTRs.
2. The world will not pander to you. There is a well-known psychological phenomenon that has been heavily researched, dubbed the “halo effect.” If you are not familiar with this, research it now. This website has a great beginner explanation for it and explains why it is extremely important in today’s day and age. It mentions that people expect you to be a certain way depending on your looks level. THIS DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE WILL BOW DOWN AND SERVE YOU. It means you have more leeway to fuck up with them because they view you more favorably. Let us now segway into my formal extension upon looks theory, what I like to call “Congruency” (adopted from the redpill community).
3. This is a thread by Tyronelite that explains what looks will do. He needs more defense of why game matters though, which is what this current thread will do. Here is another thread of him discussing the importance of game with a bit more depth.

What Is Congruency?​

Congruency, as defined by Merriam-webster (we’ll use congruous as a definer because congruency is an extension of it) is “being in agreement, harmony, or correspondence...conforming to the circumstances or requirements of a situation.” Humans love congruency. Just as we get the feeling of satisfaction when someone draws a perfect circle/square, seeing a beautiful work of art, or appreciate the contrasting colors and aesthetic appearance of well fit/shaped clothes of an outfit, something feels “appropriate” and “pleasing” to us when it behaves congruently because it is predictable and expected. When something happens that is not congruent or expected, it stands out and violates harmony, and energy is consumed analyzing the unexpected situation. Now, let’s take this analysis and apply it to the halo effect. It has been proven (see above) that when a person sees a good-looking person “Chad,” they expect him to have positive attributes and be above average in other categories besides looks. In other words, they expect congruency regarding his appearance and actions. Because he is pleasing aesthetically, they also expect him to be socially pleasing. Now, what if “Chad” isn’t congruent? Well, “Chad” may have a little more leeway to be incongruent, because people want to project an ideal on him based on the halo effect. If, however, he continues to act incongruently, there will be consequences. Since he violates standard laws of congruency, people will be uncomfortable around him. Something in their primal minds will tell them, this guy is weird. He’s unpredictable and therefore unsafe. Be careful around him. This situation is arguably worse than an average guy that is congruent. At least the average guy is harmonious; chad, while good-looking, lacks what all humans crave: harmony and predictability. It’s like a Michelangelo sculpture, but the sculpture is made out of cow shit. Yeah, it looks great, but people are still disgusted because the contents of the statue are disgusting.

HERE IS WHY HARMONY MATTERS​

Just like cross-path harmony between looks and social skills overall, there exists an elusive term thrown around this forum that needs to be more concrete. “Harmony” is often used to describe pleasing faces here, but nobody can explain exactly what it means. I will make an attempt to. “Harmony” is predictable features of the face, based on other features of the person’s face or body, that create a singular describable image. Examples:

1. For a bodybuilder, “harmony” would be more masculine features. A bigger nose, brow ridge, darker hair, maybe some tattoos, big muscles across the entire body. Such is the meme of “stick legs”: People with large upper bodies but small lower bodies lack muscular harmony. Bodybuilders with big muscles but a small clavicle lack frame harmony. Bodybuilders that have a soft, babyface but a large frame and muscles lack macroscopic physical harmony. Kind, selfless bodybuilders with tattoos and 6’2 height lack cross-sectional harmony because people expect them to act tougher, or in a more “douchebag” manner than the average person, but they instead act like a gentle giant.
2. For a person with a great eye area, a big and upturned nose generates a lack of harmony because the eyes are interpreted as a reflection of facial development, and therefore the viewer expects a soft, sharp nose. Not a large and upturned one. It also throws the "triangle of beauty" (made by both eyes and the nose) out of proper alignment. This was an issue I had.
3. For a man with a good face, one expects him to be tall. If his face developed correctly, his skeleton as a whole should have too, right? When in reality he’s 5’5, and therefore people treat him no differently than an average man.

And the countless examples continue. This could be summarized in one sentence (although it certainly lacks meaning): “Falios do harm more than halos benefit.” What does this mean for you? Pick an image/stereotype you want to fit, and relentlessly pursue it. Whether it be the “Frat boy,” “successful CEO,” or “meathead,” avoid incongruency at all costs. You will have more overall appeal fitting one image people can identify with. This also applies to the face: fix falios so they blend better with the rest of your face. This may mean keeping certain features that aren’t ideal if they “fit” the rest of your face better (by this, I mean features that are more predictable based on the features of your face as a whole; if your skull is big, you don’t want a tiny nose that would normally look good on a smaller skull, even if that nose is ideal according to PSL standards). Don’t be the roided up 5’5 manlet (go for a lean, fit body instead). Don’t be the 6’3 noodle that weighs 140lbs. Don’t be the good-looking guy that always wears shitty, baggy outfits.

This is where stylemaxxing comes in. Your outfit must also be in harmony with your body image and personality, and people here give stylemaxxing less credit than what it deserves. The better looking you are, the better you need to dress so that you fit into the current trend and appear successful/rich/high status. For a guy that is 5psl and decent height that is in college/secondary school, he should be wearing well-fitting V-necks, tighter trendy pants, height boosting shoes, a haircut that best fits his phenotype/face, a watch/bracelet, a chain necklace or two, and stand with decent posture. Yes, "muhhhh," simple “blue-pilled” advice, I know. But it needs to be discussed more here, since as discussed above, HARMONY MATTERS. “Blue-pilled” advice works, IF you are already above average and fairly neurotypical. Otherwise, there is a harmony violation and blue-pilled advice actually harms people more than it does good. You are seen as the guy that is "trying to be something that he is not." THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE MEAN BY THAT.

Now Let's Take A Quick Step Back:​

A quick interjection here—we need to briefly revisit foundational looks theory to clarify a few things before we continue. As the blackpill sphere slowly continues to develop and ideas are refined, principal theories are revised. The current foundational theory of the blackpill states that a “looks threshold” must be crossed for any and all other factors to matter. If you do not cross this threshold, you have zero chance of fucking the girl whose threshold you failed to meet. This is what I believe the “blackpill” reality is in dating. The blackpill is very useful for most people because they are average. It was useful for me for that reason, and has lead to a huge uptick in the quality of my sex life; I can’t thank forums like this enough for their existence. HOWEVER, You DO NOT need to be a 6psl gigachad; you only need to exceed the minimum threshold. This does not mean that being better looking than the minimum won’t help; it certainly will. As discussed above, the “halo effect” gives you more chances to slip up and still succeed. Thus, the closer you are to the minimum threshold (while still above), the more leverage potential you need in other categories (social skills, status, sexual skills, etc.) to compensate. To anyone who says you must be 6psl, my response is the following: We agree that women are as superficial as men regarding looks. We as men would prefer to fuck an 8/10. BUT, this doesn’t mean we wouldn’t fuck a 6/10 if the opportunity presented itself. So why won’t women? Yes, I know they have high standards. But you’re telling me a woman would rather be lesbian than fuck a decent-looking guy who makes good money? “Muh but all women have access to Chad with social media.” Do they though? How many Chads do you see out and about every day? And how many women live in your area? How many Chads are NOT busy fucking Stacy such that they have time to fuck a six or seven?”

What is the minimum threshold? There is no set threshold IRL or online. It varies in both of those settings, and it varies based on the woman. How much does she value looks? How attractive is she? The only generalization I can confidently state is that men will do best in the dating market when going for women 2 points below their own SMV. The higher they date than this the more issues they will have regarding commitment and chances of sex. Such is why "Chad" slays average women but can struggle with Stacies. If men date above their own SMV, the relationship will almost certainly be unstable. It is possible, although difficult, to have a stable relationship/sex with women at your SMV level. This is another reason why game matters.

Let’s also recap some statements we can all (hopefully) agree on once this looks threshold is crossed. Game matters because:

1. Women want to know their man can handle problems and be successful in interactions with other people.
2. Women need emotional support, and game brings social status, which brings resources, and resources matter.
3. Game is a display of higher value in which women are fooled into thinking other women want you, and thus they want you.
4. We know women are inherently emotional and psychological, yet we dismiss them as being rational and logical in accordance with PSL and “muh bro nothing else matters because of looks.” However, this is LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE because women are by nature emotional, and thus your presence, and not just your physicality, matters.

So when you first meet a girl and you’re a decent-looking guy that crosses the looks threshold (say white, ~5psl facially and 6’ tall in shoes), the girl expects you to have some experience in dating because of congruency and the halo effect. She thinks “He’s decent looking, he should act pretty neurotypical as well. He’ll probably approach me and ask for my number.” Normally, this is what SHOULD HAPPEN. But what do you autists here do (as well as many unconfident guys IRL)? Hover around the girl, expecting her to approach you. Awkwardly start a conversation and then fail to engage the girl emotionally, all in less than a minute. “Uhh, um, so what’s your number? Uhh actually do you have a Snapchat? Uhh…” Do you see WHY this is wrong? The girl expects you to do the work because you are the dominant sex. Sure, if you’re at the looks tier of Amnesia you may have drunk girls at a party come up to you. But IRL? Very unlikely. They may be more open to a conversation/initiate small talk, but YOU must do the heavy lifting as the dominant sex. Very rarely will a girl do all the work for you, unless you are exceptionally good looking/harmonious in LMS categories AND she is extroverted and bold (most women are not). Women expect men to approach them because of the truckloads of validation they receive on the daily. Why should they put in effort when so many men are simping in their DMs, on dating apps, and acting as their emotional tampon IRL in hopes for a lick of their pussy?

Using Amnesia as an example (since he is considered the “forum Chad” and I know the autists here will listen to me if I use him as one), ask yourself: How many threads does he make where he complains of a girl flaking on him? Do you know WHY so many girls flake on him? Factoring in the high flake rate on online dating, his flake rate is STILL much higher than expected given his looks level. His body is harmonious (the only thing he lacks is height, but at 6 feet in elevator shoes he is close enough to ideal for it to not detract from his overall superb physical appearance). Well, his flake rate is so goddamn high because he lacks congruency. When girls ask for his social media, they expect him to have a large social media outlet (say, an Instagram with a few thousand follower at the minimum given his physical appearance) out of congruency given his looks level. Instead, they are met with “I don’t have one,” and their suspicion meter redlines. When a girl gets near Amnesia in real life and he starts nervously shuffling around and responds with “uhh, umm, (insert boring small talk here),” the girl thinks to herself, “this guy looks like a model? Why doesn’t he act like it (confident, egotistical)? That's weird... (he lacks harmony).” For Amnesia, being non-NT is a major falio for this reason. Even more so than for an ugly man, because he is expected to act in a bold, confident manner and he doesn’t. I sympathize with him because I share the same personality (INTJ, as it’s coined) and have the same tendencies as him—I prefer routines, preparation, and predictability rather than the constant uncertainty that women throw at you while you interact with them. I think many of us here are this way, and that is what lead us to finding the blackpill.

Now, Game​

Speaking of that, being able to deal with the uncertainty and shit women throw at you is an important skill. Extrapolating from the above discussion regarding the halo effect, the better looking you are, the less women will shit test you. You are EXPECTED to have good game, and if you don’t it can be a major falio. You have more strikes on count, but if you use them up and strike out, there will be no recovery from it.

Here are some good resources for game fundamentals, if you are interested:

This website teaches all the concepts of game. If you want them even more in depth, search them individually. It provides a great summary of the fundamentals.

This website was recommended to me by trendouche a few days ago. I've spent a few hours reading it and can already tell it's a great resource. It combines amateur blackpill knowledge with red-pill strategies and some PUA techniques.

Read these while inserting looks theory into the places where it belongs, and these sources become hugely beneficial. You learn HOW to behave, which acts as an insurance policy for your looks. This is why “ascension” on here is largely a myth and there is a caveat to it: You must also “ascend” your mindset and personality with your looks, otherwise you will be incongruent and still fail.

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Before I go, I would like to mention that the “game” we have discussed in this thread mostly applies to women and how you act around them to increase your chances of sex. I truly believe that “Game” can and SHOULD BE extended to all interactions in your life. Game is a social method of getting what you want in situations you find yourself in. Men and women, in all venues. Game will vary based on the context, person, and setting. There is no one “game” that fits all. Game is different in a club than it is cold approaching. Game is different talking to your friend than it is at a job interview/talking with your boss. You should research methods on your own based on these specific circumstances.

I can give one quick example of game as it applies to a party/club setting. It's a raw game template I use for large parties. Obviously, it isn’t followed to a T, but it's a general template I follow. If you would like to see it, PM me.
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[chadison]

good shit

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[Deleted member 14793]

What I mean is Chads will have the least sexual resistance from high-tier beckies, or women two points below them (if chad is an 8, HT becky is a 6). Many chads I know (well, not many. They are very rare) are in LTRs, and so they are off the dating market (assuming they aren't cheating; they could be given their options).

Vice-versa. Chads slay slightly above average women and then settle with a stacy/stacylite.

All three given today's dating climate (women's options). At the bare minimum, two of the three. These things tend to go hand in hand though, especially money and status.

I think wheat waffles is correct about most things, including this. However, he fails to incorporate subjectivity (niches) that women have. An 8 to one woman may be a 6-7 for a different woman depending on preferences. Wheat waffles is generalizing though, and in general, he is right. In general, if a man is two points or more than another (say, a 7 vs a 5) the 5 will almost always lose regardless of external factors. A gap of less than two can be closed through niches and game, but the chances of so are low unless the gap is less than 1. That is why you want to try to get over a 6 as a male. Once you are around a 6.5 (about where I am) less than 1% of guys are over a point higher than you, and you start to have consistent success if you have good game (you can close the gap with 7s, and there aren't that many 7s out there).

He does recognise niches and that there is subjectivity. It’s in his “5 reasons I hate the 1-10 looks scale” video

 

[chadison]

He does recognise niches and that there is subjectivity. It’s in his “5 reasons I hate the 1-10 looks scale” video

I'll check it out. I wouldn't be surprised, ww is pretty legit

 

[thereallegend]

men will do best in the dating market when going for women 2 points below their own SMV.

FACTS, this is very level headed advice. Guys need to realize this.

 

[Booker]

About incongruency:
- In your post you make it sound like being unpredictable is a bad thing. But i would say that being unpredictable can be very attractive to women. It creates a type of tension that you dont have around people who are always predictable. Being unpredictable is not good for friendships or LTRs but it definetely has some sex appeal i'd say.

- You say being incongruent for chad is a bad thing, but i think it depends in what sense hes incongruent? If chad behaves like a insecure pussy, thats bad. If chad acts like a nice dude whos ready to admit some flaws about him, that in turn will be halo'd again by bystanders. If hes incongruent by not being overly confident, people will just think "dang chad is so nice, being nice is great, fuck people who are not nice" or "damn chad admits a flaw. Admitting flaws is so confident and makes you look so humble and great".

Also, what about reverse incongruency? What if some normal looking guy acts overly chad? As a guy im annoyed by him because i think "lmao who is this dork trying to impress". Im not a girl though.

I kinda agree, that's why niches exist.
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This is an interesting post, i wonder if this is true. I look like a fuckboy or atleast girls tell me i do (not good looking though). I try my best to not be a fuckboy and act like a decent guy (not a nice guy though) and think thats a good thing. Looking like a fuckboy but not actually being one. But sometimes i feel like this is the wrong approach. Sometimes i feel like i should just act as cocky and fuckboi-ish as i look.
Your example with the tatted girl kind of confirms that for me. You are right, i would lose my interest if that tatted girl was shy, didnt smoke or drink and acted like a virgin in bed. But then, that only applies if i was looking for a crazy tatted girl.

Some girls (be it just friends) hate me because of the vibes i give off, and only after they get to know me more they start liking me because they realize im nice and friendly. But those girls dont like fuckbois or cocky guys.​

Being incongruent in that case would be a good thing​

 

[Deleted member 14543]

should i read this? I really cba

 

[chadison]

About incongruency:
- In your post you make it sound like being unpredictable is a bad thing. But i would say that being unpredictable can be very attractive to women. It creates a type of tension that you dont have around people who are always predictable. Being unpredictable is not good for friendships or LTRs but it definetely has some sex appeal i'd say.

- You say being incongruent for chad is a bad thing, but i think it depends in what sense hes incongruent? If chad behaves like a insecure pussy, thats bad. If chad acts like a nice dude whos ready to admit some flaws about him, that in turn will be halo'd again by bystanders. If hes incongruent by not being overly confident, people will just think "dang chad is so nice, being nice is great, fuck people who are not nice" or "damn chad admits a flaw. Admitting flaws is so confident and makes you look so humble and great".

Also, what about reverse incongruency? What if some normal looking guy acts overly chad? As a guy im annoyed by him because i think "lmao who is this dork trying to impress". Im not a girl though.


This is an interesting post, i wonder if this is true. I look like a fuckboy or atleast girls tell me i do (not good looking though). I try my best to not be a fuckboy and act like a decent guy (not a nice guy though) and think thats a good thing. Looking like a fuckboy but not actually being one. But sometimes i feel like this is the wrong approach. Sometimes i feel like i should just act as cocky and fuckboi-ish as i look.
Your example with the tatted girl kind of confirms that for me. You are right, i would lose my interest if that tatted girl was shy, didnt smoke or drink and acted like a virgin in bed. But then, that only applies if i was looking for a crazy tatted girl.

Some girls (be it just friends) hate me because of the vibes i give off, and only after they get to know me more they start liking me because they realize im nice and friendly. But those girls dont like fuckbois or cocky guys.​

Being incongruent in that case would be a good thing​

Great analysis and additions. I agree with what you're saying. That could have been added in my post, although I was really focusing on the neurotypicality aspect for people and so I forgot to leave out those possibilities.

 

[Nothinginparticular]

Abstract​

“Game,” more formally recognized as Pick Up Artistry (PUA), and oftentimes referred to here as “NT (neurotypicality),” has been subject to much controversy within the blackpill sphere. In this dissertation, we will examine the validity of the subject through a perspective bound by lookism and its modern consequences, and apply psycho-sociological paradigms in the process. Before one of you comments “I'm a faggot, dnrd,” hear me out. You do want to read this—trust me.
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Introduction ​

Now, let’s stop using big words and cut to the chase. I will not be quoting any studies but instead using the information I have assimilated/remember from many studies I have read. If you would like a specific study supporting my claims, I am happy to provide it below—just ask. ​

Surprisingly, I couldn’t find a formal definition of game that I felt encompassed its totality. The closest I could find, which was on some obscure PUA forum, was the following:

“On a broader level, game is the ability to fulfill one’s potential and live life to the fullest. In this sense, life is a game that we play, and the goal is to win the game, while enjoying the process of playing.”

This is certainly a macro definition of game, but I feel it is mostly applicable to what we will discuss. There is a fallacy of epic proportions on this forum, and that fallacy is: “Just reach 6psl bro, then women will approach you, men will treat you like a deity, and you won’t need to try anymore. All it takes is a good base, a few years of frequent surgeries, LL and lifts, and gymmaxxing.”

Now let me tell you why that is completely incorrect:

1. Most men will NEVER be able to ascend to 6psl. How many people are white, 5’10+, have a full head of hair, good facial bone structure, facial coloring, and a wide clavicle naturally? Not to mention enough money to finance all of their future looksmaxxing, and the time to do this? We’re probably speaking of <5% of you here. Maybe a few of you reading this, at absolute most. Based on my experience here—seeing ratings and the average guy on this forum, and developing a good rating system myself—I suspect the average man can looksmax to about a 6.5/10 IRL, or ~5psl, give or take a quarter-point. Roughly 90th percentile in looks, or just barely cutting into the top 10% of men. This is because the average man does very little to look good, and doesn't have a very good appearance. Such is why he can (generally) only obtain sexual access through LTRs.
2. The world will not pander to you. There is a well-known psychological phenomenon that has been heavily researched, dubbed the “halo effect.” If you are not familiar with this, research it now. This website has a great beginner explanation for it and explains why it is extremely important in today’s day and age. It mentions that people expect you to be a certain way depending on your looks level. THIS DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE WILL BOW DOWN AND SERVE YOU. It means you have more leeway to fuck up with them because they view you more favorably. Let us now segway into my formal extension upon looks theory, what I like to call “Congruency” (adopted from the redpill community).
3. This is a thread by Tyronelite that explains what looks will do. He needs more defense of why game matters though, which is what this current thread will do. Here is another thread of him discussing the importance of game with a bit more depth.

What Is Congruency?​

Congruency, as defined by Merriam-webster (we’ll use congruous as a definer because congruency is an extension of it) is “being in agreement, harmony, or correspondence...conforming to the circumstances or requirements of a situation.” Humans love congruency. Just as we get the feeling of satisfaction when someone draws a perfect circle/square, seeing a beautiful work of art, or appreciate the contrasting colors and aesthetic appearance of well fit/shaped clothes of an outfit, something feels “appropriate” and “pleasing” to us when it behaves congruently because it is predictable and expected. When something happens that is not congruent or expected, it stands out and violates harmony, and energy is consumed analyzing the unexpected situation. Now, let’s take this analysis and apply it to the halo effect. It has been proven (see above) that when a person sees a good-looking person “Chad,” they expect him to have positive attributes and be above average in other categories besides looks. In other words, they expect congruency regarding his appearance and actions. Because he is pleasing aesthetically, they also expect him to be socially pleasing. Now, what if “Chad” isn’t congruent? Well, “Chad” may have a little more leeway to be incongruent, because people want to project an ideal on him based on the halo effect. If, however, he continues to act incongruently, there will be consequences. Since he violates standard laws of congruency, people will be uncomfortable around him. Something in their primal minds will tell them, this guy is weird. He’s unpredictable and therefore unsafe. Be careful around him. This situation is arguably worse than an average guy that is congruent. At least the average guy is harmonious; chad, while good-looking, lacks what all humans crave: harmony and predictability. It’s like a Michelangelo sculpture, but the sculpture is made out of cow shit. Yeah, it looks great, but people are still disgusted because the contents of the statue are disgusting.

HERE IS WHY HARMONY MATTERS​

Just like cross-path harmony between looks and social skills overall, there exists an elusive term thrown around this forum that needs to be more concrete. “Harmony” is often used to describe pleasing faces here, but nobody can explain exactly what it means. I will make an attempt to. “Harmony” is predictable features of the face, based on other features of the person’s face or body, that create a singular describable image. Examples:

1. For a bodybuilder, “harmony” would be more masculine features. A bigger nose, brow ridge, darker hair, maybe some tattoos, big muscles across the entire body. Such is the meme of “stick legs”: People with large upper bodies but small lower bodies lack muscular harmony. Bodybuilders with big muscles but a small clavicle lack frame harmony. Bodybuilders that have a soft, babyface but a large frame and muscles lack macroscopic physical harmony. Kind, selfless bodybuilders with tattoos and 6’2 height lack cross-sectional harmony because people expect them to act tougher, or in a more “douchebag” manner than the average person, but they instead act like a gentle giant.
2. For a person with a great eye area, a big and upturned nose generates a lack of harmony because the eyes are interpreted as a reflection of facial development, and therefore the viewer expects a soft, sharp nose. Not a large and upturned one. It also throws the "triangle of beauty" (made by both eyes and the nose) out of proper alignment. This was an issue I had.
3. For a man with a good face, one expects him to be tall. If his face developed correctly, his skeleton as a whole should have too, right? When in reality he’s 5’5, and therefore people treat him no differently than an average man.

And the countless examples continue. This could be summarized in one sentence (although it certainly lacks meaning): “Falios do harm more than halos benefit.” What does this mean for you? Pick an image/stereotype you want to fit, and relentlessly pursue it. Whether it be the “Frat boy,” “successful CEO,” or “meathead,” avoid incongruency at all costs. You will have more overall appeal fitting one image people can identify with. This also applies to the face: fix falios so they blend better with the rest of your face. This may mean keeping certain features that aren’t ideal if they “fit” the rest of your face better (by this, I mean features that are more predictable based on the features of your face as a whole; if your skull is big, you don’t want a tiny nose that would normally look good on a smaller skull, even if that nose is ideal according to PSL standards). Don’t be the roided up 5’5 manlet (go for a lean, fit body instead). Don’t be the 6’3 noodle that weighs 140lbs. Don’t be the good-looking guy that always wears shitty, baggy outfits.

This is where stylemaxxing comes in. Your outfit must also be in harmony with your body image and personality, and people here give stylemaxxing less credit than what it deserves. The better looking you are, the better you need to dress so that you fit into the current trend and appear successful/rich/high status. For a guy that is 5psl and decent height that is in college/secondary school, he should be wearing well-fitting V-necks, tighter trendy pants, height boosting shoes, a haircut that best fits his phenotype/face, a watch/bracelet, a chain necklace or two, and stand with decent posture. Yes, "muhhhh," simple “blue-pilled” advice, I know. But it needs to be discussed more here, since as discussed above, HARMONY MATTERS. “Blue-pilled” advice works, IF you are already above average and fairly neurotypical. Otherwise, there is a harmony violation and blue-pilled advice actually harms people more than it does good. You are seen as the guy that is "trying to be something that he is not." THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE MEAN BY THAT.

Now Let's Take A Quick Step Back:​

A quick interjection here—we need to briefly revisit foundational looks theory to clarify a few things before we continue. As the blackpill sphere slowly continues to develop and ideas are refined, principal theories are revised. The current foundational theory of the blackpill states that a “looks threshold” must be crossed for any and all other factors to matter. If you do not cross this threshold, you have zero chance of fucking the girl whose threshold you failed to meet. This is what I believe the “blackpill” reality is in dating. The blackpill is very useful for most people because they are average. It was useful for me for that reason, and has lead to a huge uptick in the quality of my sex life; I can’t thank forums like this enough for their existence. HOWEVER, You DO NOT need to be a 6psl gigachad; you only need to exceed the minimum threshold. This does not mean that being better looking than the minimum won’t help; it certainly will. As discussed above, the “halo effect” gives you more chances to slip up and still succeed. Thus, the closer you are to the minimum threshold (while still above), the more leverage potential you need in other categories (social skills, status, sexual skills, etc.) to compensate. To anyone who says you must be 6psl, my response is the following: We agree that women are as superficial as men regarding looks. We as men would prefer to fuck an 8/10. BUT, this doesn’t mean we wouldn’t fuck a 6/10 if the opportunity presented itself. So why won’t women? Yes, I know they have high standards. But you’re telling me a woman would rather be lesbian than fuck a decent-looking guy who makes good money? “Muh but all women have access to Chad with social media.” Do they though? How many Chads do you see out and about every day? And how many women live in your area? How many Chads are NOT busy fucking Stacy such that they have time to fuck a six or seven?”

What is the minimum threshold? There is no set threshold IRL or online. It varies in both of those settings, and it varies based on the woman. How much does she value looks? How attractive is she? The only generalization I can confidently state is that men will do best in the dating market when going for women 2 points below their own SMV. The higher they date than this the more issues they will have regarding commitment and chances of sex. Such is why "Chad" slays average women but can struggle with Stacies. If men date above their own SMV, the relationship will almost certainly be unstable. It is possible, although difficult, to have a stable relationship/sex with women at your SMV level. This is another reason why game matters.

Let’s also recap some statements we can all (hopefully) agree on once this looks threshold is crossed. Game matters because:

1. Women want to know their man can handle problems and be successful in interactions with other people.
2. Women need emotional support, and game brings social status, which brings resources, and resources matter.
3. Game is a display of higher value in which women are fooled into thinking other women want you, and thus they want you.
4. We know women are inherently emotional and psychological, yet we dismiss them as being rational and logical in accordance with PSL and “muh bro nothing else matters because of looks.” However, this is LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE because women are by nature emotional, and thus your presence, and not just your physicality, matters.

So when you first meet a girl and you’re a decent-looking guy that crosses the looks threshold (say white, ~5psl facially and 6’ tall in shoes), the girl expects you to have some experience in dating because of congruency and the halo effect. She thinks “He’s decent looking, he should act pretty neurotypical as well. He’ll probably approach me and ask for my number.” Normally, this is what SHOULD HAPPEN. But what do you autists here do (as well as many unconfident guys IRL)? Hover around the girl, expecting her to approach you. Awkwardly start a conversation and then fail to engage the girl emotionally, all in less than a minute. “Uhh, um, so what’s your number? Uhh actually do you have a Snapchat? Uhh…” Do you see WHY this is wrong? The girl expects you to do the work because you are the dominant sex. Sure, if you’re at the looks tier of Amnesia you may have drunk girls at a party come up to you. But IRL? Very unlikely. They may be more open to a conversation/initiate small talk, but YOU must do the heavy lifting as the dominant sex. Very rarely will a girl do all the work for you, unless you are exceptionally good looking/harmonious in LMS categories AND she is extroverted and bold (most women are not). Women expect men to approach them because of the truckloads of validation they receive on the daily. Why should they put in effort when so many men are simping in their DMs, on dating apps, and acting as their emotional tampon IRL in hopes for a lick of their pussy?

Using Amnesia as an example (since he is considered the “forum Chad” and I know the autists here will listen to me if I use him as one), ask yourself: How many threads does he make where he complains of a girl flaking on him? Do you know WHY so many girls flake on him? Factoring in the high flake rate on online dating, his flake rate is STILL much higher than expected given his looks level. His body is harmonious (the only thing he lacks is height, but at 6 feet in elevator shoes he is close enough to ideal for it to not detract from his overall superb physical appearance). Well, his flake rate is so goddamn high because he lacks congruency. When girls ask for his social media, they expect him to have a large social media outlet (say, an Instagram with a few thousand follower at the minimum given his physical appearance) out of congruency given his looks level. Instead, they are met with “I don’t have one,” and their suspicion meter redlines. When a girl gets near Amnesia in real life and he starts nervously shuffling around and responds with “uhh, umm, (insert boring small talk here),” the girl thinks to herself, “this guy looks like a model? Why doesn’t he act like it (confident, egotistical)? That's weird... (he lacks harmony).” For Amnesia, being non-NT is a major falio for this reason. Even more so than for an ugly man, because he is expected to act in a bold, confident manner and he doesn’t. I sympathize with him because I share the same personality (INTJ, as it’s coined) and have the same tendencies as him—I prefer routines, preparation, and predictability rather than the constant uncertainty that women throw at you while you interact with them. I think many of us here are this way, and that is what lead us to finding the blackpill.

Now, Game​

Speaking of that, being able to deal with the uncertainty and shit women throw at you is an important skill. Extrapolating from the above discussion regarding the halo effect, the better looking you are, the less women will shit test you. You are EXPECTED to have good game, and if you don’t it can be a major falio. You have more strikes on count, but if you use them up and strike out, there will be no recovery from it.

Here are some good resources for game fundamentals, if you are interested:

This website teaches all the concepts of game. If you want them even more in depth, search them individually. It provides a great summary of the fundamentals.

This website was recommended to me by trendouche a few days ago. I've spent a few hours reading it and can already tell it's a great resource. It combines amateur blackpill knowledge with red-pill strategies and some PUA techniques.

Read these while inserting looks theory into the places where it belongs, and these sources become hugely beneficial. You learn HOW to behave, which acts as an insurance policy for your looks. This is why “ascension” on here is largely a myth and there is a caveat to it: You must also “ascend” your mindset and personality with your looks, otherwise you will be incongruent and still fail.

Here are the four embedded links (in order) if for some reason you are afraid I am trying to grab your IP (which I'm not):
https://www.simplypsychology.org/halo-effect.html
https://looksmax.org/threads/game-being-good-looking-will-only-guarantee-one-thing.353228/

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Before I go, I would like to mention that the “game” we have discussed in this thread mostly applies to women and how you act around them to increase your chances of sex. I truly believe that “Game” can and SHOULD BE extended to all interactions in your life. Game is a social method of getting what you want in situations you find yourself in. Men and women, in all venues. Game will vary based on the context, person, and setting. There is no one “game” that fits all. Game is different in a club than it is cold approaching. Game is different talking to your friend than it is at a job interview/talking with your boss. You should research methods on your own based on these specific circumstances.

I can give one quick example of game as it applies to a party/club setting. It's a raw game template I use for large parties. Obviously, it isn’t followed to a T, but it's a general template I follow. If you would like to see it, PM me.
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If you made it this far, thanks for reading. Let me know what you think about my ideas below. Anything I should clarify? Am I wrong? Any feedback is appreciated.

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This is trash. Putting in an abstract doesn't make it seem any less cringe.

 

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This thread is so on point and giga high iq, I once got ons by acting like a douchebag when big on roids, now im small and douchebag niche doesnt get Hoes

 

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Abstract​

“Game,” more formally recognized as Pick Up Artistry (PUA), and oftentimes referred to here as “NT (neurotypicality),” has been subject to much controversy within the blackpill sphere. In this dissertation, we will examine the validity of the subject through a perspective bound by lookism and its modern consequences, and apply psycho-sociological paradigms in the process. Before one of you comments “I'm a faggot, dnrd,” hear me out. You do want to read this—trust me.
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Introduction ​

Now, let’s stop using big words and cut to the chase. I will not be quoting any studies but instead using the information I have assimilated/remember from many studies I have read. If you would like a specific study supporting my claims, I am happy to provide it below—just ask. ​

Surprisingly, I couldn’t find a formal definition of game that I felt encompassed its totality. The closest I could find, which was on some obscure PUA forum, was the following:

“On a broader level, game is the ability to fulfill one’s potential and live life to the fullest. In this sense, life is a game that we play, and the goal is to win the game, while enjoying the process of playing.”

This is certainly a macro definition of game, but I feel it is mostly applicable to what we will discuss. There is a fallacy of epic proportions on this forum, and that fallacy is: “Just reach 6psl bro, then women will approach you, men will treat you like a deity, and you won’t need to try anymore. All it takes is a good base, a few years of frequent surgeries, LL and lifts, and gymmaxxing.”

Now let me tell you why that is completely incorrect:

1. Most men will NEVER be able to ascend to 6psl. How many people are white, 5’10+, have a full head of hair, good facial bone structure, facial coloring, and a wide clavicle naturally? Not to mention enough money to finance all of their future looksmaxxing, and the time to do this? We’re probably speaking of <5% of you here. Maybe a few of you reading this, at absolute most. Based on my experience here—seeing ratings and the average guy on this forum, and developing a good rating system myself—I suspect the average man can looksmax to about a 6.5/10 IRL, or ~5psl, give or take a quarter-point. Roughly 90th percentile in looks, or just barely cutting into the top 10% of men. This is because the average man does very little to look good, and doesn't have a very good appearance. Such is why he can (generally) only obtain sexual access through LTRs.
2. The world will not pander to you. There is a well-known psychological phenomenon that has been heavily researched, dubbed the “halo effect.” If you are not familiar with this, research it now. This website has a great beginner explanation for it and explains why it is extremely important in today’s day and age. It mentions that people expect you to be a certain way depending on your looks level. THIS DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE WILL BOW DOWN AND SERVE YOU. It means you have more leeway to fuck up with them because they view you more favorably. Let us now segway into my formal extension upon looks theory, what I like to call “Congruency” (adopted from the redpill community).
3. This is a thread by Tyronelite that explains what looks will do. He needs more defense of why game matters though, which is what this current thread will do. Here is another thread of him discussing the importance of game with a bit more depth.

What Is Congruency?​

Congruency, as defined by Merriam-webster (we’ll use congruous as a definer because congruency is an extension of it) is “being in agreement, harmony, or correspondence...conforming to the circumstances or requirements of a situation.” Humans love congruency. Just as we get the feeling of satisfaction when someone draws a perfect circle/square, seeing a beautiful work of art, or appreciate the contrasting colors and aesthetic appearance of well fit/shaped clothes of an outfit, something feels “appropriate” and “pleasing” to us when it behaves congruently because it is predictable and expected. When something happens that is not congruent or expected, it stands out and violates harmony, and energy is consumed analyzing the unexpected situation. Now, let’s take this analysis and apply it to the halo effect. It has been proven (see above) that when a person sees a good-looking person “Chad,” they expect him to have positive attributes and be above average in other categories besides looks. In other words, they expect congruency regarding his appearance and actions. Because he is pleasing aesthetically, they also expect him to be socially pleasing. Now, what if “Chad” isn’t congruent? Well, “Chad” may have a little more leeway to be incongruent, because people want to project an ideal on him based on the halo effect. If, however, he continues to act incongruently, there will be consequences. Since he violates standard laws of congruency, people will be uncomfortable around him. Something in their primal minds will tell them, this guy is weird. He’s unpredictable and therefore unsafe. Be careful around him. This situation is arguably worse than an average guy that is congruent. At least the average guy is harmonious; chad, while good-looking, lacks what all humans crave: harmony and predictability. It’s like a Michelangelo sculpture, but the sculpture is made out of cow shit. Yeah, it looks great, but people are still disgusted because the contents of the statue are disgusting.

HERE IS WHY HARMONY MATTERS​

Just like cross-path harmony between looks and social skills overall, there exists an elusive term thrown around this forum that needs to be more concrete. “Harmony” is often used to describe pleasing faces here, but nobody can explain exactly what it means. I will make an attempt to. “Harmony” is predictable features of the face, based on other features of the person’s face or body, that create a singular describable image. Examples:

1. For a bodybuilder, “harmony” would be more masculine features. A bigger nose, brow ridge, darker hair, maybe some tattoos, big muscles across the entire body. Such is the meme of “stick legs”: People with large upper bodies but small lower bodies lack muscular harmony. Bodybuilders with big muscles but a small clavicle lack frame harmony. Bodybuilders that have a soft, babyface but a large frame and muscles lack macroscopic physical harmony. Kind, selfless bodybuilders with tattoos and 6’2 height lack cross-sectional harmony because people expect them to act tougher, or in a more “douchebag” manner than the average person, but they instead act like a gentle giant.
2. For a person with a great eye area, a big and upturned nose generates a lack of harmony because the eyes are interpreted as a reflection of facial development, and therefore the viewer expects a soft, sharp nose. Not a large and upturned one. It also throws the "triangle of beauty" (made by both eyes and the nose) out of proper alignment. This was an issue I had.
3. For a man with a good face, one expects him to be tall. If his face developed correctly, his skeleton as a whole should have too, right? When in reality he’s 5’5, and therefore people treat him no differently than an average man.

And the countless examples continue. This could be summarized in one sentence (although it certainly lacks meaning): “Falios do harm more than halos benefit.” What does this mean for you? Pick an image/stereotype you want to fit, and relentlessly pursue it. Whether it be the “Frat boy,” “successful CEO,” or “meathead,” avoid incongruency at all costs. You will have more overall appeal fitting one image people can identify with. This also applies to the face: fix falios so they blend better with the rest of your face. This may mean keeping certain features that aren’t ideal if they “fit” the rest of your face better (by this, I mean features that are more predictable based on the features of your face as a whole; if your skull is big, you don’t want a tiny nose that would normally look good on a smaller skull, even if that nose is ideal according to PSL standards). Don’t be the roided up 5’5 manlet (go for a lean, fit body instead). Don’t be the 6’3 noodle that weighs 140lbs. Don’t be the good-looking guy that always wears shitty, baggy outfits.

This is where stylemaxxing comes in. Your outfit must also be in harmony with your body image and personality, and people here give stylemaxxing less credit than what it deserves. The better looking you are, the better you need to dress so that you fit into the current trend and appear successful/rich/high status. For a guy that is 5psl and decent height that is in college/secondary school, he should be wearing well-fitting V-necks, tighter trendy pants, height boosting shoes, a haircut that best fits his phenotype/face, a watch/bracelet, a chain necklace or two, and stand with decent posture. Yes, "muhhhh," simple “blue-pilled” advice, I know. But it needs to be discussed more here, since as discussed above, HARMONY MATTERS. “Blue-pilled” advice works, IF you are already above average and fairly neurotypical. Otherwise, there is a harmony violation and blue-pilled advice actually harms people more than it does good. You are seen as the guy that is "trying to be something that he is not." THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE MEAN BY THAT.

Now Let's Take A Quick Step Back:​

A quick interjection here—we need to briefly revisit foundational looks theory to clarify a few things before we continue. As the blackpill sphere slowly continues to develop and ideas are refined, principal theories are revised. The current foundational theory of the blackpill states that a “looks threshold” must be crossed for any and all other factors to matter. If you do not cross this threshold, you have zero chance of fucking the girl whose threshold you failed to meet. This is what I believe the “blackpill” reality is in dating. The blackpill is very useful for most people because they are average. It was useful for me for that reason, and has lead to a huge uptick in the quality of my sex life; I can’t thank forums like this enough for their existence. HOWEVER, You DO NOT need to be a 6psl gigachad; you only need to exceed the minimum threshold. This does not mean that being better looking than the minimum won’t help; it certainly will. As discussed above, the “halo effect” gives you more chances to slip up and still succeed. Thus, the closer you are to the minimum threshold (while still above), the more leverage potential you need in other categories (social skills, status, sexual skills, etc.) to compensate. To anyone who says you must be 6psl, my response is the following: We agree that women are as superficial as men regarding looks. We as men would prefer to fuck an 8/10. BUT, this doesn’t mean we wouldn’t fuck a 6/10 if the opportunity presented itself. So why won’t women? Yes, I know they have high standards. But you’re telling me a woman would rather be lesbian than fuck a decent-looking guy who makes good money? “Muh but all women have access to Chad with social media.” Do they though? How many Chads do you see out and about every day? And how many women live in your area? How many Chads are NOT busy fucking Stacy such that they have time to fuck a six or seven?”

What is the minimum threshold? There is no set threshold IRL or online. It varies in both of those settings, and it varies based on the woman. How much does she value looks? How attractive is she? The only generalization I can confidently state is that men will do best in the dating market when going for women 2 points below their own SMV. The higher they date than this the more issues they will have regarding commitment and chances of sex. Such is why "Chad" slays average women but can struggle with Stacies. If men date above their own SMV, the relationship will almost certainly be unstable. It is possible, although difficult, to have a stable relationship/sex with women at your SMV level. This is another reason why game matters.

Let’s also recap some statements we can all (hopefully) agree on once this looks threshold is crossed. Game matters because:

1. Women want to know their man can handle problems and be successful in interactions with other people.
2. Women need emotional support, and game brings social status, which brings resources, and resources matter.
3. Game is a display of higher value in which women are fooled into thinking other women want you, and thus they want you.
4. We know women are inherently emotional and psychological, yet we dismiss them as being rational and logical in accordance with PSL and “muh bro nothing else matters because of looks.” However, this is LOGICALLY IMPOSSIBLE because women are by nature emotional, and thus your presence, and not just your physicality, matters.

So when you first meet a girl and you’re a decent-looking guy that crosses the looks threshold (say white, ~5psl facially and 6’ tall in shoes), the girl expects you to have some experience in dating because of congruency and the halo effect. She thinks “He’s decent looking, he should act pretty neurotypical as well. He’ll probably approach me and ask for my number.” Normally, this is what SHOULD HAPPEN. But what do you autists here do (as well as many unconfident guys IRL)? Hover around the girl, expecting her to approach you. Awkwardly start a conversation and then fail to engage the girl emotionally, all in less than a minute. “Uhh, um, so what’s your number? Uhh actually do you have a Snapchat? Uhh…” Do you see WHY this is wrong? The girl expects you to do the work because you are the dominant sex. Sure, if you’re at the looks tier of Amnesia you may have drunk girls at a party come up to you. But IRL? Very unlikely. They may be more open to a conversation/initiate small talk, but YOU must do the heavy lifting as the dominant sex. Very rarely will a girl do all the work for you, unless you are exceptionally good looking/harmonious in LMS categories AND she is extroverted and bold (most women are not). Women expect men to approach them because of the truckloads of validation they receive on the daily. Why should they put in effort when so many men are simping in their DMs, on dating apps, and acting as their emotional tampon IRL in hopes for a lick of their pussy?

Using Amnesia as an example (since he is considered the “forum Chad” and I know the autists here will listen to me if I use him as one), ask yourself: How many threads does he make where he complains of a girl flaking on him? Do you know WHY so many girls flake on him? Factoring in the high flake rate on online dating, his flake rate is STILL much higher than expected given his looks level. His body is harmonious (the only thing he lacks is height, but at 6 feet in elevator shoes he is close enough to ideal for it to not detract from his overall superb physical appearance). Well, his flake rate is so goddamn high because he lacks congruency. When girls ask for his social media, they expect him to have a large social media outlet (say, an Instagram with a few thousand follower at the minimum given his physical appearance) out of congruency given his looks level. Instead, they are met with “I don’t have one,” and their suspicion meter redlines. When a girl gets near Amnesia in real life and he starts nervously shuffling around and responds with “uhh, umm, (insert boring small talk here),” the girl thinks to herself, “this guy looks like a model? Why doesn’t he act like it (confident, egotistical)? That's weird... (he lacks harmony).” For Amnesia, being non-NT is a major falio for this reason. Even more so than for an ugly man, because he is expected to act in a bold, confident manner and he doesn’t. I sympathize with him because I share the same personality (INTJ, as it’s coined) and have the same tendencies as him—I prefer routines, preparation, and predictability rather than the constant uncertainty that women throw at you while you interact with them. I think many of us here are this way, and that is what lead us to finding the blackpill.

Now, Game​

Speaking of that, being able to deal with the uncertainty and shit women throw at you is an important skill. Extrapolating from the above discussion regarding the halo effect, the better looking you are, the less women will shit test you. You are EXPECTED to have good game, and if you don’t it can be a major falio. You have more strikes on count, but if you use them up and strike out, there will be no recovery from it.

Here are some good resources for game fundamentals, if you are interested:

This website teaches all the concepts of game. If you want them even more in depth, search them individually. It provides a great summary of the fundamentals.

This website was recommended to me by trendouche a few days ago. I've spent a few hours reading it and can already tell it's a great resource. It combines amateur blackpill knowledge with red-pill strategies and some PUA techniques.

Read these while inserting looks theory into the places where it belongs, and these sources become hugely beneficial. You learn HOW to behave, which acts as an insurance policy for your looks. This is why “ascension” on here is largely a myth and there is a caveat to it: You must also “ascend” your mindset and personality with your looks, otherwise you will be incongruent and still fail.

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Before I go, I would like to mention that the “game” we have discussed in this thread mostly applies to women and how you act around them to increase your chances of sex. I truly believe that “Game” can and SHOULD BE extended to all interactions in your life. Game is a social method of getting what you want in situations you find yourself in. Men and women, in all venues. Game will vary based on the context, person, and setting. There is no one “game” that fits all. Game is different in a club than it is cold approaching. Game is different talking to your friend than it is at a job interview/talking with your boss. You should research methods on your own based on these specific circumstances.

I can give one quick example of game as it applies to a party/club setting. It's a raw game template I use for large parties. Obviously, it isn’t followed to a T, but it's a general template I follow. If you would like to see it, PM me.
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fucking true, good thread OP.

I agree with amnesia part and i get thag shit as well, i look chadlite in pictures and while having only 200 followers on IG and shit. girls think i am fake account or some other bullshit. i manage to meet and bang only quite confident girls because i feel the insecure ones are too scared to meet me in person.
And sometimes when im a bit insecure and ask girls about my looks etc, they are like WTF, it litterally makss no sense for you to be insecure.



Your slaying is as bad as your lowest key area.

If you good looking but dont hit up many girls you aint gonna laid much.
If you have everything but text like a aspie(me) you wont get any dates.
If you have everything but aint got your own place or car you will lose ton of girls because no place to fuck.

a girl im banging told me she went on a date with a hot as fuck dude but he said : " yoi have 5 minutes to tell me about yourself in best light and why would i date you"
and she left after 5 minutes because he was narcistic and autistic.
Also girls i banged sometimes show me tinder photos of dudes they match with and they mog me, but have the stupides texts, act like pussy or act nervous on dates.


If you want to get laid a lot you need to be the whole package.

 

[Deleted member 11388]

i belive younger girls care more about looks, which is true.
Nobody can bang every girl.
So the higher your looks, money and status + game the less girls you will have to approach/open to get laid.

so work on all categories and open many girls ezy

 

[bwrauycnee]

fucking true, good thread OP.

I agree with amnesia part and i get thag shit as well, i look chadlite in pictures and while having only 200 followers on IG and shit. girls think i am fake account or some other bullshit. i manage to meet and bang only quite confident girls because i feel the insecure ones are too scared to meet me in person.
And sometimes when im a bit insecure and ask girls about my looks etc, they are like WTF, it litterally makss no sense for you to be insecure.



Your slaying is as bad as your lowest key area.

If you good looking but dont hit up many girls you aint gonna laid much.
If you have everything but text like a aspie(me) you wont get any dates.
If you have everything but aint got your own place or car you will lose ton of girls because no place to fuck.

a girl im banging told me she went on a date with a hot as fuck dude but he said : " yoi have 5 minutes to tell me about yourself in best light and why would i date you"
and she left after 5 minutes because he was narcistic and autistic.
Also girls i banged sometimes show me tinder photos of dudes they match with and they mog me, but have the stupides texts, act like pussy or act nervous on dates.


If you want to get laid a lot you need to be the whole package.

I just get aspire as shit whenever I find out someone in a girls past mogs me. That’s killing my game.

 

[Deleted member 11388]

I just get aspire as shit whenever I find out someone in a girls past mogs me. That’s killing my game.

i know when fucking any girl i am top 20% in sex from all guts she banged, maybe even top 10%. Lookswise i mog 80% of guys she banged as well. And personality + fun + confidenct + notngiving a shit etc im top 5-10% she met.
So i general im like top 1-3 guys she banged...
Usually i am the first guy that makes her squirt anf i hear thst a lot.
and that + rest makes me a mogger.

 

[Survivor95]

I kinda agree, that's why niches exist.
A guy like this
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Can't act like a shy pussy, women who like him like him especially because they are looking for a dominant ogre to fuck their brains out.
The reverse too, a guy like this
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Would be made fun of if he tries to act like a dominant mogger, women who like him usually want men with softer features that don't look threatening and which they can have romantic vanilla sex.

Me, being thugmaxxed, I got ghosted by girls after I acted too nice, they expected me to be some kind of drug addict coke dealer, they were disappointed when I wasn't. A girl even ghosted me after we fucked because she expected me to choke her and basically rape her in bed but I let her do everything.
Now if I was a delicate prettyboy those characteristics would've been a plus, but since I'm more on the ogre side those characteristics were a malus because women who choosed me wanted an ogre.

It's like you going out with this girl:
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And she tells you she doesn't smoke, drink, she only had sex with her ex and in general is super shy, insecure ecc...
You would see it as a malus because you expected her to be the total opposite. You even hoped she was a massive slut so you could have your fun.

Now, on the other hand if you go out with this girl
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And she tells you that she likes to get gang banged, that she fucked tons of guys ecc you would see it as a malus too because her appearance is innocent and her personality is not.

On the style thing agree, some people need to dress how they look or else they would look comical like this:


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Perfect agree, If you look solf and try to be masculine, women will think You try hard, how You are perceved psysically is everything.