Zures
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Inb4 any muh "dnrd" or "not a single word". You clicked on this on purpose, so pls reply your bs comment and leave lol
Also I'm not aiming to become a PSL/Looks obsessed dude, I already have a good social circle, go to parties and i'm kinda NT, life is kinda fun but it could be better.
Because I have hit the bottom of depression and BDD due to my looks and some social interactions (ugh...). So I hope I can fix that and live happily
> Brazilian (i dunno my ancestry, ik I descend from italians and frenchs from my mom's side, but I might be that brazilian big mix cuz of my dad and my nose)
> 15 year old (18 bone age)
> 6'0 / 183cm
> 150lbs / 68kg
> 15% BF
> 6.3 incher / 16cm
> 19 inch bideltoid
> Rope tier hips
> Not a KHHV
Goals:
Facts:
Failos:
[BODY]
[NT/SOCIAL]
And also recommend me some supplements to better brain function (reduce brain fog, intrusive thoughts, make my mental reasoning/clarity better and faster etc)
[MISC]
Final Considerations:
Pics for Rating:
I think my side profile looks similar to that of the looksmaxxer youtuber "Brae" BEFORE his mewing transformation
(GOATs) @ the best people on this site:
@Prettyboy @FreakkForLife @tyronelite @TyroneLite. @enchanted_elixir @Lars @MrGlutton @Erik-Jón @Framletgod @retard @deadlock @ascension! @mogstar @ifyouwannabemylover @eren1 @currylightskin @Pantherus @Lev Peshkov @Amnesia @Ada Mustang @AscendingHero @YouLiveForYourself @newperson @Birdcell @eduardkoopman @zv1212 @StuffedFrog @Growth Plate @TeenAscender @Xangsane @smvmaxxertilllate @Lmao @Daiquiris @Lurkerslep @piratemogger @ropeorcope @Cigarette @Salludon @gamma @loox @Br0sk1 @curlyheadjames @the BULL @8PSLcel @currylightskin @Chadeep @PubertyMaxxer @SubhumanCurrycel @Sal @KING REIDYZ @FailedNormieManlet @Predeterminism @LMSMaxxer @Tyronecell @Salieri @FastBananaCEO @MarkCorrigan @RoBobaFett999 @Thompsonz @D @PingPong @lutte @Leonardo DiCaprio @Chad1212 @casadebanho @MewMaxxing @moggerlitemaxcel @whiteissuperior @cloUder @RabidRosaries @Marco Polo @zv1212 @subhuman to mtn @SendMePicsToRate
Also I'm not aiming to become a PSL/Looks obsessed dude, I already have a good social circle, go to parties and i'm kinda NT, life is kinda fun but it could be better.
Because I have hit the bottom of depression and BDD due to my looks and some social interactions (ugh...). So I hope I can fix that and live happily
This is gonna be a LONG thread
If you don't like reading it's better for you
to do something better, srs
Stats:If you don't like reading it's better for you
to do something better, srs
> Brazilian (i dunno my ancestry, ik I descend from italians and frenchs from my mom's side, but I might be that brazilian big mix cuz of my dad and my nose)
> 15 year old (18 bone age)
> 6'0 / 183cm
> 150lbs / 68kg
> 15% BF
> 6.3 incher / 16cm
> 19 inch bideltoid
> Rope tier hips
> Not a KHHV
Goals:
> Be a HTN, in that range it would be easier to hook up with girls and befriend more people (my main goal since I love making new friends and hanging out)
(I know it's 100% impossible for me to be a chad due to some genetic failos y'all know, y'all can see it)
(I know it's 100% impossible for me to be a chad due to some genetic failos y'all know, y'all can see it)
Facts:
> I never mouthbreathed in my life, however I didn't have the proper tongue posture (FUCK) and also never kept my back teeth in touch until nowadays
(HUGE mistake, I think this limited my jaw growth to be inferior to that of my maxilla, probably due to weak masseters and also make gravity pull my maxilla downwards and backwards)
> I was also really sedentary, never played any sports and was kinda skinny fat like 17% bf, I also had an OK diet
(Junk food rarely, I mainly ate rice, beans, steak and veggies, typical brazilian diet medium in carbs and protein and food was overall kinda soft)
> I have a genetic disease called gilbert's syndrome which rapes my coloring, this disease turns my sclera and skin kinda yellow (not as much as in google pics) if:
(1- sleep badly [-6hrs] 2- get way too stressed/angry [high cortisol] or 3- eat junk food [toxins lol]
> My dad has the balding gene but my mother doesn't, my mom has actually one of the best hair genes since my 6'3 grandfather at +70 years old still had a full head of hair and all my uncles from mother side are all NW0 at 40-50years old
(And the gene that influences the most if you are gonna start balding is from the mother sides so I really hope I inherited it, I probably did cuz my hairline is still NW0 but idk only time will tell)
> I was predicted to be 5'7 however I turned out to be 6'0 probably due to my grandfather being 6'3 or that I was a big ass baby when I was born
(also I'm probably 100% done growing in height since 18y old wrist bone age and I haven't grown an inch since 13/14)
(HUGE mistake, I think this limited my jaw growth to be inferior to that of my maxilla, probably due to weak masseters and also make gravity pull my maxilla downwards and backwards)
> I was also really sedentary, never played any sports and was kinda skinny fat like 17% bf, I also had an OK diet
(Junk food rarely, I mainly ate rice, beans, steak and veggies, typical brazilian diet medium in carbs and protein and food was overall kinda soft)
> I have a genetic disease called gilbert's syndrome which rapes my coloring, this disease turns my sclera and skin kinda yellow (not as much as in google pics) if:
(1- sleep badly [-6hrs] 2- get way too stressed/angry [high cortisol] or 3- eat junk food [toxins lol]
> My dad has the balding gene but my mother doesn't, my mom has actually one of the best hair genes since my 6'3 grandfather at +70 years old still had a full head of hair and all my uncles from mother side are all NW0 at 40-50years old
(And the gene that influences the most if you are gonna start balding is from the mother sides so I really hope I inherited it, I probably did cuz my hairline is still NW0 but idk only time will tell)
> I was predicted to be 5'7 however I turned out to be 6'0 probably due to my grandfather being 6'3 or that I was a big ass baby when I was born
(also I'm probably 100% done growing in height since 18y old wrist bone age and I haven't grown an inch since 13/14)
Failos:
FOR NOW I'M NOT GONNA DO ANY SURGERIES OTHER THAN
THESE 2 TO NOT LOOK LIKE A JAMES SAPPHIRE 2.0, YEAH SORRY BRO...
> The failos I notice in myself are: (in order of importance, and not limited to)
THESE 2 TO NOT LOOK LIKE A JAMES SAPPHIRE 2.0, YEAH SORRY BRO...
> The failos I notice in myself are: (in order of importance, and not limited to)
- Weak jawline -------------- (hard mewing / chewing religiously [develops masseter] / losing bf%)
- Bad Mandible projection - (hard mewing / thumbpulling)
- + Little Downward Tilt --- (hard mewing / thumbpulling)
- Bad Philtrum:Chin ratio --- (hard mewing)
- Short Ramus -------------- (hard mewing(?) / chewing religiously)
- Weird asf nose ------------ (rhinoplasty)
- Goofy ears ----------------- (otoplasty)
- Assymetrical Eyebrows ---- (eye exercises)
- Big hips -------------------- (build delts, lats / framemaxxing routine)
- T40 eye color -------------- (way more common in latin america than in the west so not thaaat bad / MSM eyedrops [lightens eye color])
- Nasolabial folds ----------- (fix my smile muscle pattern / losing bf% / retinol cream / red light therapy [tightens skin])
(The ones that are crossed is because i'm in doubt if I should do them, and i'm asking for your help)
(Also make sure to close the spoiler after reading it, so you don't create a mess of info on your screen)
[FACE](Also make sure to close the spoiler after reading it, so you don't create a mess of info on your screen)
- Improve Collagen: Supplement Vit C, Vit A and Vit E + dermarolling once in a blue moon + Red Light Therapy (700NM)
- Eye Bags: Apply small ice cubes + use a Vit C cream on it + Sleeping 8h per day
- Nasolabial Folds/Smile Lines: Use a retinol cream + Red Light Therapy (700NM)
- Prevent Acne: Take Cold Showers and cleanse my face with it to prevent acne
- If I Got Acne: If I still get any acne, I apply a gel that my dermatologist prescribed me that removes my pimples, scars and blackheads
Beta-Carotene to get an orange glow and skin color(Should I really do it? For someone my age to do it, it seems REALLY not NT to change skin color lmao)- Instead of Beta-Carotene, buy more carrots and put them in my protein shakes
lul:) for extra Vitamin A and a little warm orange glow
- HELP A BROTHER OUT @enchanted_elixir. I honestly don't know anything about coloring (skin color, eye color, jewelry... IK just a little of clothing color)
- So could y'all help me improve it with some advice or atleast give me some tips y'all find useful
- Continue my eyebrow exercise routine (makes eyebrows more low set and symmetrical + gives me the ability to do the eyebrow raise thingy)
- Icehooding
- Squintmaxx when needed
- Castor oil on eyebrow + get them done by a barber in my city
- Castor oil on eyelashes + curl them
- (Not eyebrow/lashes related)
- Apply MSM Eyedrops onto my eyes to lighten my color (maybe go from dark brown to light brown)
- Now seriously, IF YOU HAVE A LEGIT EYE COLOR CHANGING STACK PLEASE DM ME IT, IF IT'S PAID I CAN PAY FOR IT (If I remember correctly @AscendingHero you said in a thread that you have a stack that you are using until you get to A10 eyes, please DM me about it i can pay)
Shower with no shampoo and conditioner(Should I shower with them for good hair quality or stop it because of "microplastics" or "estrogen bomb" etc?)- Style my hair with a hairdryer and normal brush (Takes like 5min)
- Take Cold Showers
- Getting a Low Fade done every 1 month by the same eyebrow barber in my city
I'm hopeful about this one because my lower third is similar to that of @Prettyboy (at 17 years old). Fast forward some years he COMPLETELY transformed his jaw and chin, ik he was in late stages of puberty and genetics, but his lower third routine is really well built so i'll follow it (together with some adjustments of mine)
POSTURE:
POSTURE:
- Hard mewing for ideal tongue position
- Holding proper body posture
- Correct swallowing technique
- Always nosebreathing
- Always sleeping on my back
- Chewing Jawsizer every tuesday and thursday for 1hr
- Hard Chewing sugar-free gum whenever I can (proof that it increases ramus, dude was 20 on the right and had like no ramus, left is after 1 year: proof)
- Hyoid Bone Exercises to get a tighter jawline
Thumbpulling to fix mandible tilt and improve forward growth- ^^ (Out of all the crossed maxxes this one is the one i'm considering the most, if anyone has tried it or has good knowledge about THUMBPULLING please @ or DM me, i'll be happy to learn more about it)
- 3x15 Neck Curls
- 3x15 Neck Extensions
- (https://looksmax.org/threads/training-the-suprahyoid-muscle-for-a-better-jawline.541213/#post-9082576)
- Professional teeth whitening after removing braces (straight and white smile is so damn important)
- Brush teeth 3x daily
- Exfoliate them every morning with warm water
- Use a lip balm when needed
[BODY]
- I'm doing PPL 5 times a week (legs only once lol)
- It's working wonders. I started the gym in november of 2021 and made some solid and consistent progress (could be better but i'm getting the hang of it)
I don't have words to express how well made @AverageTevvezFan's thread on framemaxxing is, literally has EVERYTHING you need to know (https://looksmax.org/threads/the-ul...aguide-framecels-gtfih-or-forever-rot.552586/)
I'll follow the following techniques on framemaxxing
TECHNIQUES:
Take everything here with a grain of salt, I don't really know if I will or even can do any HGH, T, DHTmaxxing etc (that's why there aren't any dosages) since I still live with my parents and cannot afford it at my current age
I'll follow the following techniques on framemaxxing
TECHNIQUES:
- Shoulder: Reeves Deadlift, scapula stretches, lat spreads, wide grip EVERYTHING (lat pulldown, chin up, pullup, dead hangs)
- ^ I think this will work well since the scapula is a really "moveable" bone
- Ribcage: Breathing Squat + Breathing Pullover (not gonna do this too much tho, with a t-shirt you look big af but without it your ribs are easily seem)
- Waist:
Stomach Vaccums to reduce waist(I don't really know if I should do this, reducing my waist would make me look even more hour glass figured) - Misc: Sleep on my back, get good posture (mainly shoulder), don't get my backpack too heavy, hold lat spread for ig pics etc
Take everything here with a grain of salt, I don't really know if I will or even can do any HGH, T, DHTmaxxing etc (that's why there aren't any dosages) since I still live with my parents and cannot afford it at my current age
MK-677, Huperzine-A and CJC-1295 DACReduce Carbs in my dietMonitor blood sugar weekly
I have sloped shoulders due to overdeveloped pecs, not straight enough torso due to weak abs and text neck posture (all of those pass unnoticed by my friends)
But my anterior pelvic tilt is kinda noticeable since some friends have talked about me having an upwards asslul:)
But my anterior pelvic tilt is kinda noticeable since some friends have talked about me having an upwards ass
lul:)- On saturday, I will still go to the gym but only to do posture fixing exercises
- Sloped shoulders: Train my back muscles more + do shoulder and scapula stretches (aiming the movements to my back, to counteract the pecs)
- Weak torso: Train abs
- Neck posture: Chin Tucks
- Anterior Pelvic Tilt: Train my abs, hamstrings and glutes, stretch my erector spinae and hamstrings aswell
These are the words of AverageTevvezFan on hyperplasia:
- Pick two aesthetic muscles (or genetic weak points for you in terms of musculature)
- Train both of them every day with five sets of 30 reps. Make sure your rests are short enough that you stay warm and that your muscles get a good pump of blood going to them.
- After directly exercising, perform weighted stretches. This is where you stretch out a muscle with weight pulling the other way. An example of this for the lats would be a dead hang. An example for the biceps would be holding a dumbbell at ~5% of your curl range of motion, so it isn’t just hanging there but you aren’t bringing it up either.
- Do this for a month.
- Once you have finished that month, do not train for the next month.
- Repeat with two new muscle groups.
Given that at 15y old I have a 18y old bone age and haven't grown an inch since 14y old i'm probably 95% done growing but i'll still try growing my spine since their growth plates close later and my torso:leg ratio is at 0,75.
I'll also follow @FreakkForLife stretching routine to achieve a 1:1 torso/leg ratio (since mine is 0,75:1 rn) and hope I can reach like 6'2
If this is actually real and not cope i'll shoot my balls with an MG-34 cuz this is good shit fr, 2 inches for free with only stretching lol
If NOTHING of that works, I can still guarantee an extra inch by IMPROVING MY POSTURE + STRETCHING OVER TIGHNED MUSCLES
SUPPLEMENTS/DRUGS:
I'll also follow @FreakkForLife stretching routine to achieve a 1:1 torso/leg ratio (since mine is 0,75:1 rn) and hope I can reach like 6'2
If this is actually real and not cope i'll shoot my balls with an MG-34 cuz this is good shit fr, 2 inches for free with only stretching lol
If NOTHING of that works, I can still guarantee an extra inch by IMPROVING MY POSTURE + STRETCHING OVER TIGHNED MUSCLES
SUPPLEMENTS/DRUGS:
MK-677CJC-1295 DACIGF-1 LR3
- Protein megadose (2,5g per kg) / (1,15g per pound)
- 8h of sleep daily
- HIIT 1/2 times a week
- Gym 5 times a week
- Not eating carbs before sleeping
- Sleeping before 22:00 (highest HGH production)
SUPPLEMENTS:
Ashwaghanda (maybe gonna use it for lower cortisol)- 4000iu of Vit D3 (literally 10min in the noon sun for me cuz i live near the equator and i have kinda white skin xdd)
- Magnesium 400mg
- Zinc 20mg
- 2g of L-Carnitine (for my ARs)
- 8h of sleep daily
- 1,5h of gym 5 times a week
- 20min of HIIT 1/2 times a week (not interfering with my leg day)
- NoFap (inb4 cope try having the prolactin levels of a 70y old everyday and 0 motivation lol)
MK-677, Huperzine-A and CJC-1295 DAC- Vit K2 + Vit D3 + Calcium + Magnesium
- Set my circadian rythm from 10pm to 6am
- Sleep in a pitch black room
- Cold room temperature
- Abstain from light sources 30min before bed + Get into dim light
- Do Jelqing for 5min daily after I finish showering (with a soft cream)
Many other options for this like DHT gel or hanging weights but i'm not gonna risk damaging my ding ding dong for any of that shit
[NT/SOCIAL]
I'll first learn some poses to take pictures AND before taking a picture visualise my pose in it + follow an IGmaxxing guide
(https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-get-laid-as-a-teenager-instagram-maxxing-guide.249862/)
(https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-get-laid-as-a-teenager-instagram-maxxing-guide.249862/)
- Pictures in beautiful places
- Pictures in expensive places
- Pictures with expensive things (not making it too obvious that i want to show the expensive thing lol)
- Stories highlights of my GYM progress
- Stories highlights of GL meals I cooked
- Stories highlights of some martial arts skills and/or calisthenics
DUDE, SERIOUSLY, IPHONE CAMERAS TRANSFORM YOUR FACE FOR THE BETTER WHILE STILL MAKING IT LOOK NATURAL
Look at a picture of:
My side profile taken by a shit S9+
vs
My side profile taken by an Iphone 12 Pro (friend recording)
idk what happened, but i'll surely get an used iphone or an S21 (dunno which one tho)
Look at a picture of:
My side profile taken by a shit S9+
vs
My side profile taken by an Iphone 12 Pro (friend recording)
idk what happened, but i'll surely get an used iphone or an S21 (dunno which one tho)
- AF1s, North Face Puffer Jacket, Black Jeans (NT clothing in general, i'm designing my own fashion style though)
- 1 Gold chain, 1 Gold bracelet, 1 Gold ring
- 1 Silver chain, 1 Silver bracelet, 2 Silver rings
I'm gonna follow @Pantherus amazing thread on the topic of smells which is REALLYYYY underrated for HTN and Chadlites, if enough money is spent and technique learned you can indeed smell like a king and attract women
(https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to...ate-guide-to-fragrance-and-pheromones.421112/)
(https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to...ate-guide-to-fragrance-and-pheromones.421112/)
- After showering
- Use perfume on my neck, wrist, and top of the hand (because when you go hug someone or give them a handshake the smell will go directly into them)
- + Lots of things listed in his thread which i'm not gonna put in here cuz it would be too long, read his thread
- 2 inch lifts to tower over 95% of the people on clubs and parties
- Larp as an instagram influencer if someone asks for my IG on clubs or smth like that
- Be a cool, chill and funny guy in general (jestermaxxing lite)
- !!!(IF REALLY NECESSARY)!!! Use a little makeup to cover up acne or eyebags
- Study to enter college and get a well paying job, or start some bussiness online
- Improve my vocabulary by reading
- Play chess ocasionally because I like it + It's good for the brain
And also recommend me some supplements to better brain function (reduce brain fog, intrusive thoughts, make my mental reasoning/clarity better and faster etc)
[MISC]
https://looksmax.org/threads/magnesium-maxxing-literal-gigathread.343660/ <--- this thread... wow
steeljawlinegum.com
www.optimallivingdynamics.com
Face Pulling – What it is and How to Do it (Safely & Effectively)
Face pulling is a technique using in mewing and Orthotropics. It involves using pressure from your thumbs to expand your palate. Learn more!
steeljawlinegum.com
28 Powerful Ways to Increase Your IGF-1 Levels — Optimal Living Dynamics
Insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) is a hormone in your body that’s absolutely critical for optimal physical and mental performance. It’s produced by the liver. And once it’s released into the bloodstream, it stimulates growth, regenerates cells, an
www.optimallivingdynamics.com
Final Considerations:
> I need to change my mediocre reality, i'll do everything listed and go as far as I can to achieve a better looking face/body and live a new, happier and better life.
If ALL the things I listed doesn't work, when I graduate from college and get a well paying job i'll just come back here and look for surgery advice
> I will return and post my results 1.5 or 2 years from now, dunno exactly (I'll even set an email reminder so I 100% do not forget)
> I am also kinda hopeful about this journey because I have a normie base, still going through puberty (so everything is really malleable) and lot of users have completely transformed their faces with all the knowledge on this site.
If ALL the things I listed doesn't work, when I graduate from college and get a well paying job i'll just come back here and look for surgery advice
> I will return and post my results 1.5 or 2 years from now, dunno exactly (I'll even set an email reminder so I 100% do not forget)
> I am also kinda hopeful about this journey because I have a normie base, still going through puberty (so everything is really malleable) and lot of users have completely transformed their faces with all the knowledge on this site.
@FreakkForLife The best in the topic of Heightmaxxing, I also want to thank him because his always supportive and humble with everybody, be it a greycel or literal looksmax owner he'll be chill
@enchanted_elixir One of the highest IQ users of this forum AT 17!!!, this dude is a beast mainly in the chemical and hormonal field but in any topic you could think of he will search about it and make a thread with the best advice
@Prettyboy The most humble chad I have ever talked to, it doesn't even feel right to talk to someone like him idk I feel like I don't deserve it. This dude has one of the best threads in this forum, I also admire his supportive and calm behavior, really high IQ
@Lars He's literally Prettyboy 2.0, really humble chad and he refers to himself as the "softmaxxing king" which I totally agree, really chill and suportive dude
Also to everybody that is reading and those that I used your threads in here, I would have put y'all in this list but it would have been waaaay to long so sorry for that
@enchanted_elixir One of the highest IQ users of this forum AT 17!!!, this dude is a beast mainly in the chemical and hormonal field but in any topic you could think of he will search about it and make a thread with the best advice
@Prettyboy The most humble chad I have ever talked to, it doesn't even feel right to talk to someone like him idk I feel like I don't deserve it. This dude has one of the best threads in this forum, I also admire his supportive and calm behavior, really high IQ
@Lars He's literally Prettyboy 2.0, really humble chad and he refers to himself as the "softmaxxing king" which I totally agree, really chill and suportive dude
Also to everybody that is reading and those that I used your threads in here, I would have put y'all in this list but it would have been waaaay to long so sorry for that
Pics for Rating:
I think my side profile looks similar to that of the looksmaxxer youtuber "Brae" BEFORE his mewing transformation
FACE:
My side profile (mainly chin) may look great on a full side profile view but on a 3/4 view you can see it's not that good BECAUSE IT'S FAT, NOT ACTUAL BONE
(Also I didn't jut my jaw forward in any of these pictures)
THIS IS WHERE MY CHIN ACTUALLY IS (I pushed the fat upwards) I HOPE I CAN IMPROVE IT (over for fraudedchincels)
My side profile (mainly chin) may look great on a full side profile view but on a 3/4 view you can see it's not that good BECAUSE IT'S FAT, NOT ACTUAL BONE
(Also I didn't jut my jaw forward in any of these pictures)
THIS IS WHERE MY CHIN ACTUALLY IS
(I pushed the fat upwards) I HOPE I CAN IMPROVE IT (over for fraudedchincels)
BODY:
I have some really shitty clavicle genetics but i'll continue to improve my frame + fix my anterior pelvic tilt (cuz it gives me a rounded belly look)
I have some really shitty clavicle genetics but i'll continue to improve my frame + fix my anterior pelvic tilt (cuz it gives me a rounded belly look)
(GOATs) @ the best people on this site:
@Prettyboy @FreakkForLife @tyronelite @TyroneLite. @enchanted_elixir @Lars @MrGlutton @Erik-Jón @Framletgod @retard @deadlock @ascension! @mogstar @ifyouwannabemylover @eren1 @currylightskin @Pantherus @Lev Peshkov @Amnesia @Ada Mustang @AscendingHero @YouLiveForYourself @newperson @Birdcell @eduardkoopman @zv1212 @StuffedFrog @Growth Plate @TeenAscender @Xangsane @smvmaxxertilllate @Lmao @Daiquiris @Lurkerslep @piratemogger @ropeorcope @Cigarette @Salludon @gamma @loox @Br0sk1 @curlyheadjames @the BULL @8PSLcel @currylightskin @Chadeep @PubertyMaxxer @SubhumanCurrycel @Sal @KING REIDYZ @FailedNormieManlet @Predeterminism @LMSMaxxer @Tyronecell @Salieri @FastBananaCEO @MarkCorrigan @RoBobaFett999 @Thompsonz @D @PingPong @lutte @Leonardo DiCaprio @Chad1212 @casadebanho @MewMaxxing @moggerlitemaxcel @whiteissuperior @cloUder @RabidRosaries @Marco Polo @zv1212 @subhuman to mtn @SendMePicsToRate
