Actual box osteotomy patient, as well as every other extreme surgery

[Pakicel]

No he's not. He has an underbite that makes him look goofy and people make fun of him.

Uh. So he has a deformity then.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Uh. So he has a deformity then.

ye basically

 

[WBC323]

I get bullied for looks by people on the street. I'm not LARPing. Even when I had normal short hair
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You look like a pussy not ugly

 

[WBC323]

Also does facepulling work? And were there some way to obtain simple version of it so you can facepull while you sleep bro

 

[spacio]

Anyone else gotten this surgery since or has surgeon recommendations besides steinbacher who doesn't reply to emails?

 

[WBC323]

Also, how dangerous are these procedures

 

[letsdoit]

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if this is a guy u see quite often its over for many
ive never seen someone like this irl tbh

even if the pic is a bit "frauded"

What all did he have done to go from htn to chad?
Any surgeons he posted?

 

[FrenchChad]

What all did he have done to go from htn to chad?
Any surgeons he posted?

2 rhinos, lower lid retraction,chin filler, tan, hair, latisse for eyebrow density, eyebrow dye

Amnesia before looksmaxxing if you were wondering

looksmax.org

He had an excellent base to begin with.

 

[letsdoit]

2 rhinos, lower lid retraction,chin filler, tan, hair, latisse for eyebrow density, eyebrow dye

Amnesia before looksmaxxing if you were wondering

looksmax.org

He had an excellent base to begin with.

Thanks bro, to tan does he inject MT 2 or just use tanning beds?
I thought the go on fillers was that you should get surgery instead? And filler migrate no?

 

[FrenchChad]

Thanks bro, to tan does he inject MT 2 or just use tanning beds?
I thought the go on fillers was that you should get surgery instead? And filler migrate no?

It depends, some prefers just get fillers and renew it, it's much less expensive than implants and obviously he didn't needed some ultra-invasive surgeries to ascend, in fact i'm pretty sure that the eyebrows alone would've given him a huge smv boost even without the fillers.
Fillers can migrate indeed but it's more a possible risk than a certain issue, most people don't experience it.
Idk for his tanning method tbh, you can ask him in PM if you want : @Amnesia

 

[JohnDoe]

Did OP ever post his face? i am curious what he looks like. Maybe a before/after?

 

[Deleted member 24940]

I started as roughly a 3.75/10 on the PSL scale before any surgery, and will likely end up around 6.5/10 (top 10%) after the swelling from my final surgery resolves, as rated by several PSL friends of mine. The box osteotomy specifically did not boost me much in and of itself, but set up the stage for a wraparound jaw implant and skull implant to complete my robust spacious face (tall and very broad skull), which contributes to my presence (skull-mog).

I should also mention, I've had 2 LL's, started at 5'7.5 and ending up at 6'1.67. I'll make another thread about that eventually.

This can't be real holy shit. So I could get to 6'6? How much did it hurt?

 

[Deleted member 16683]

Did OP ever post his face? i am curious what he looks like. Maybe a before/after?

people that have seen him have said he doesn't look impressive

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

This can't be real holy shit. So I could get to 6'6? How much did it hurt?

The guy doesn't reply anymore. He did mention that it hurt like a bitch somewhere in the thread.

 

[Deleted member 24940]

people that have seen him have said he doesn't look impressive

Imagine doing the most brutal surgery known to mankind (box osteotomy) and still looking bad.

Nigga really had this horror movie shit done to him all to remain mtn.

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Imagine doing the most brutal surgery known to mankind (box osteotomy) and still looking bad.

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Nigga really had this horror movie shit done to him all to remain mtn.

It will be as mainstream as rhinoplasty by 2030.

 

[makeme183]

Normie level dudes would never touch actual ugly women. And by that I mean, ones that are literally obese or have something wrong with them facially.

grannyfish/pig woman/obese 50yo hispanic woman OLD experiments beg to differ @Xangsane

also , reminder that there's literally a dating app just for fat women - woo plus

 

[Deleted member 16683]

It will be as mainstream as rhinoplasty by 2030.

obo is often unnecessary lmfao it's about ratios and if you have high or low es you can either shave down zygos or add to them. unless you have cyclops tier ipd it's not necessary

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

obo is often unnecessary lmfao it's about ratios and if you have high or low es you can either shave down zygos or add to them. unless you have cyclops tier ipd it's not necessary

I was joking. Also Zygos isn't the solution in a lot of cases. Not a great idea to make your face thinner if it's already thin or wider if it's already wide. If you have sub-average IPD (63mm average) and ESR problems the IPD is the issue.

 

[Deleted member 21048]

The guy played a huge huge gamble. Imagine if he invested the money or something.

He spent 0.7million USD to be invisible on Tinder because irl I doubt he has the skills to woo women. Someone who spent this much on these dangerous surgeries is probably extremely non NT and out of touch of real life.

I hope OP moneymaxxes and earns another 700k but this time spends it on something useful.

You can ascend to Chad but still have an Incel brain

 

[Deleted member 24940]

The guy played a huge huge gamble. Imagine if he invested the money or something.

He spent 0.7million USD to be invisible on Tinder because irl I doubt he has the skills to woo women. Someone who spent this much on these dangerous surgeries is probably extremely non NT and out of touch of real life.

I hope OP moneymaxxes and earns another 700k but this time spends it on something useful.

Actually caging at this retard. 700k/$200 per hour for top tier Stacey escorts = 3500 lays.

Dude could have fucked a new hot 20 year old girl every week till he was 70 years old with the money instead of brutalizing himself and going from normie to normie. Either that or he could've moved to SEA with the money and slayed prime 18 year old virgins just through JBW and money game.

I'd rope of this was me tbh, what a fucking retard.

 

[makeme183]

Actually caging at this retard. 700k/$200 per hour for top tier Stacey escorts = 3500 lays.

Dude could have fucked a new hot 20 year old girl every week till he was 70 years old with the money instead of brutalizing himself and going from normie to normie. Either that or he could've moved to SEA with the money and slayed prime 18 year old virgins just through JBW and money game.

I'd rope of this was me tbh, what a fucking retard.

your point isn't wrong tbh , now that you actually put it this way

only problem is - hookers aren't legal everywhere , so there's a risk of getting caught by the cops
also , its really risky eating out hookers , so guys who like eating pussy can't enjoy that

also , at the end of the day , you know deep down that you're ugly , and the girls are only coming for your money
I think most of us here who are trying to ascend wanna do it to get over that mental block , rather than actually getting more girls
knowing that we can walk into a club on any given night and walk out with a hot girl , over and over again

 

[Deleted member 24940]

also , at the end of the day , you know deep down that you're ugly , and the girls are only coming for your money

All your male ancestors bought their wife from her farther for a dowry or some type of payment. These men were way more masculine than you or me and had testosterone levels that mogged us into oblivion. There's no shame in paying for sex, it's the way the world has functioned for thousands of years.

 

[Wallenberg]

Actually caging at this retard. 700k/$200 per hour for top tier Stacey escorts = 3500 lays.

Dude could have fucked a new hot 20 year old girl every week till he was 70 years old with the money instead of brutalizing himself and going from normie to normie. Either that or he could've moved to SEA with the money and slayed prime 18 year old virgins just through JBW and money game.

I'd rope of this was me tbh, what a fucking retard.

Escorts don't give validation. They might not necessarily cuddle or kiss you. They might not look very good, some escorts look really trashy.

 

[Deleted member 24940]

Escorts don't give validation. They might not necessarily cuddle or kiss you. They might not look very good, some escorts look really trashy.

You can pick the escorts genius, it's not a random dice roll. You can pick a girl who offers GFE (girlfriend experience) where she does all the intimate stuff and also pick only girls who are attractive.

>Escorts don't give validation

Only top 5% chads get validation in the form of free no strings attached sex. The other 95% of men need to pay in one way or another whether it be relationships (prostitution with extra steps) or just paying escorts.

 

[Wallenberg]

You can pick the escorts genius, it's not a random dice roll. You can pick a girl who offers GFE (girlfriend experience) where she does all the intimate stuff and also pick only girls who are attractive.

>Escorts don't give validation

Only top 5% chads get validation in the form of free no strings attached sex. The other 95% of men need to pay in one way or another whether it be relationships (prostitution with extra steps) or just paying escorts.

Of course you can pick escorts, but that doesn't change the fact that escorts tend to look bad. They look like used up trashy women.

Lol. No, more than 5% of men get to have NSA sex.

 

[Deleted member 24940]

No, more than 5% of men get to have NSA sex.

HTN+ males get no strings attached sex, so top 5-10% like I said.

 

[Wallenberg]

HTN+ males get no strings attached sex, so top 5-10% like I said.

Nonsense. Even obese men get to have NSA Sex, tho not with hotties.

 

[APJ]

Actually caging at this retard. 700k/$200 per hour for top tier Stacey escorts = 3500 lays.

Dude could have fucked a new hot 20 year old girl every week till he was 70 years old with the money instead of brutalizing himself and going from normie to normie. Either that or he could've moved to SEA with the money and slayed prime 18 year old virgins just through JBW and money game.

I'd rope of this was me tbh, what a fucking retard.

Legality of hookers is a big issue.

Another thing is OP isn’t just paying for better treatment from women… you think those 5 inches or whatever of height aren’t going to give him a career boost and change the way he’s treated by men/friends/etc?

 

[Deleted member 24940]

Legality of hookers is a big issue.

Another thing is OP isn’t just paying for better treatment from women… you think those 5 inches or whatever of height aren’t going to give him a career boost and change the way he’s treated by men/friends/etc?

Ok I agree to get the limb lengthening but the box osteotomy is insane they literally peel your entire face off of your skull like an orange, it's brutal and the recovery was probably brutal. Idk how he even got approved for it because it's meant for extremely deformed people.

He didn't even improve himself that much and paid 100k for that surgery.

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Legality of hookers is a big issue.

Another thing is OP isn’t just paying for better treatment from women… you think those 5 inches or whatever of height aren’t going to give him a career boost and change the way he’s treated by men/friends/etc?

Legality of hookers is not a big deal at all if you know your way around the semantics. If escorts are legal there is no chance you get busted unless you stupidly use sexual verbiage in your email or comms to the escort. If you talk about donating x amount to spend x amount of time with her there's nothing illegal. Most good escorts know this... Two consenting adults can do whatever they want during those x hours.

In a lot of cases you need to explicitly state you want to exchange $ for pussy to get busted.

Some escorts look fantastic and high end. They're not all trashy and tatted. You need to drop a bit of cash for them though.

 

[Jigen]

but the box osteotomy is insane they literally peel your entire face off of your skull like an orange, it's brutal and the recovery was probably brutal. Idk how he even got approved for it because it's meant for extremely deformed people

With enough money, people will do anything you want them to. I bet there’s some rich sucker out there right now doing 12 inch LL.

 

[Deleted member 24940]

With enough money, people will do anything you want them to. I bet there’s some rich sucker out there right now doing 12 inch LL.

Aren't doctors supposed to have a code of ethics though? We're not in a third world country, they have no reason to violate ethics and give OBO surgeries to a person without craniofacial deformities.

 

[Jigen]

Aren't doctors supposed to have a code of ethics though?

Man that was very bluepilled of you to say. The medical/pharmaceutical industry is like the least ethical of all.

 

[Octavian_Augustus]

Does anyone have pics of this guy's full face?

 

[Gladiator]

Actually caging at this retard. 700k/$200 per hour for top tier Stacey escorts = 3500 lays.

Dude could have fucked a new hot 20 year old girl every week till he was 70 years old with the money instead of brutalizing himself and going from normie to normie. Either that or he could've moved to SEA with the money and slayed prime 18 year old virgins just through JBW and money game.

I'd rope of this was me tbh, what a fucking retard.

Completely agree

 

[Gladiator]

All your male ancestors bought their wife from her farther for a dowry or some type of payment. These men were way more masculine than you or me and had testosterone levels that mogged us into oblivion. There's no shame in paying for sex, it's the way the world has functioned for thousands of years.

High iq. I feel caring this much about women finding you ugly when you have the option to fuck them is a very beta trait.

 

[Gladiator]

Escorts don't give validation. They might not necessarily cuddle or kiss you. They might not look very good, some escorts look really trashy.

Are you really serious when saying escorts don’t look good? Maybe your definition of escorts is the trashy street hooker who is high on cocaine. Or maybe if we’re talking about a brothel in the slums of Bangladesh.

Also then we have sugar babes? Who’re basically young college going girls. I tried a 19 year old sugar babe couple of years back and she was the kind of girl that people would be simping hard for on Instagram.

People on this forum are really unaware of what money can buy.

 

[Wallenberg]

Are you really serious when saying escorts don’t look good?

Most of them aren't stacies

 

[Gladiator]

Another thing is OP isn’t just paying for better treatment from women… you think those 5 inches or whatever of height aren’t going to give him a career boost and change the way he’s treated by men/friends/etc?

No. He won’t. I’m not sure how tall OP was but unless he’s 6’4” now he won’t get any special attention. Just being tall won’t suddenly make him special. There are tons of tall people on this forum or on other Incel forums. And which field is this height going to give him a boost in? OP is a software engineer I think. Nobody gives a flying fuck how tall he is.

 

[Gladiator]

Most of them aren't stacies

Yeah because lots of women want to get money in exchange of sex. The profession will attract all kinds of women. You just have to find the ones that are worth the money. And it’s not hard to find such women. Money is the only bottleneck. The better they look, typically the higher they’d cost.

When I was using sugar dating websites couple of years back I was surprised to see that some women there expected that people are going to pay to have sex with them when there were other hot women on the site. Lots of delusional women in this world.

 

[Deleted member 24940]

High iq. I feel caring this much about women finding you ugly when you have the option to fuck them is a very beta trait.

The thing is, if your under 35 and not fat you already mog 99% of her clients making you attractive in her eyes. Most escorts fuck rich beer belly boomers who put zero effort into looksmaxxing. I'm skinny af and only been lifting for a year and whenever I see an escort they will always compliment my body and rub my abs. Just by being not fat she will enjoy fucking you.

 

[PunishedDollcel]

55K out of pocket damn lol If I had that kind of money to spend I'd get bimax myself. Hopefully it all turns out well for you man. We need everything we can get in this shallow world.

 

[PunishedDollcel]

The thing is, if your under 35 and not fat you already mog 99% of her clients making you attractive in her eyes. Most escorts fuck rich beer belly boomers who put zero effort into looksmaxxing. I'm skinny af and only been lifting for a year and whenever I see an escort they will always compliment my body and rub my abs. Just by being not fat she will enjoy fucking you.

LOL Imagine paying a bitch to fuck you and thinking she's attracted in any way.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Ok I agree to get the limb lengthening but the box osteotomy is insane they literally peel your entire face off of your skull like an orange, it's brutal and the recovery was probably brutal. Idk how he even got approved for it because it's meant for extremely deformed people.

He didn't even improve himself that much and paid 100k for that surgery.

He paid like $50k or less, was mentioned earlier in the thread

And your face is peeled off intentionally, to be put back again. It doesn't matter how they do the surgery. Peeling the face off isn't the risky part

 

[Deleted member 24940]

LOL Imagine paying a bitch to fuck you and thinking she's attracted in any way.

All your male ancestors bought their wives like cows. They also all fucked whores on the side. These men were 100x more masculine than you'll ever be faggot.

 

[APJ]

Legality of hookers is not a big deal at all if you know your way around the semantics. If escorts are legal there is no chance you get busted unless you stupidly use sexual verbiage in your email or comms to the escort. If you talk about donating x amount to spend x amount of time with her there's nothing illegal. Most good escorts know this... Two consenting adults can do whatever they want during those x hours.

In a lot of cases you need to explicitly state you want to exchange $ for pussy to get busted.

Some escorts look fantastic and high end. They're not all trashy and tatted. You need to drop a bit of cash for them though.

Appreciate that but it certainly differs by country. Also if you’re new to escorts (as with anything else) I imagine you'll be apprehensive that you'll make (legal) mistakes first time round. Mistakes in bed with a normal (non sex-worker) girl will only lead to her ghosting you but legal mistakes could end up with far worse consequences, even if very unlikely. Plus affection, feeling valued and feeling genuinely wanted are important, even if not for your 'real' genetics. I've never been to a sex worker so I don't know for sure, but I imagine it's not possible to feel those things from that.

No. He won’t. I’m not sure how tall OP was but unless he’s 6’4” now he won’t get any special attention. Just being tall won’t suddenly make him special. There are tons of tall people on this forum or on other Incel forums. And which field is this height going to give him a boost in? OP is a software engineer I think. Nobody gives a flying fuck how tall he is.

Didn't OP go from 5'7" or 5'8" to 6'1"? That's a massive change from the short side of average to 'clearly tall' (unless you live in the Netherlands or Scandinavia). Sure, the research isn't granular but there's plenty of evidence that in social situations and in your career you do get some benefit from being taller as a man. Being tall doesn't make you super hot, super respected, or super well-paid on its own but it does help

 

[pcmaxing]

Does anyone have pics of this guy's full face?

Agreed. So Much chatter here and not even a freaking pic for the majority of us to see

im betting he looks a good deal better but maybe Im Wrong

 

[thecel]

had like a .435 ES ratio before, now about .47. Also believe in having a robust spacious face which looks silly without wide IPD.

I have 0.38 ESR

 

[Gladiator]

Most of them aren't stacies

Not sure how difficult is it to grasp this idea? Even most actresses in Hollywood aren’t Stacies. What’s your point lol. You don’t have to fuck all of them and you don’t fuck one randomly. You pick and then you fuck